听几个在建筑相关行业的人说flatbush 很多私人造的新房质量很差？是真的吗？

ctai010

MR2(SW20) 发表于 2015-7-3 11:41
Do you live in FB or have a house in that area?

yes I do..............

MR2(SW20)

ctai010 发表于 2015-7-3 12:17
yes I do..............

Okay, that explains why your comments are all very defensive when it come down to any discussion related to FB. It is understandable but yet not quite objective.

jessica

月经帖又来了~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

diershi

songinator 发表于 2015-7-3 10:57
http://www.bc.org.nz/mono.html
给你科普一下  All houses leak
据我所知FB的房子95%以上都是05年以后建 ...

玩笑了  不必当真                           

gwu

黑fb  的人可以说说理由吗。

不要每月都黑一次。

ctai010

MR2(SW20) 发表于 2015-7-3 12:21
Okay, that explains why your comments are all very defensive when it come down to any discussion r ...

ha, i exepct this sort of comment from day 1.
Yes my view is not completely neutural. What i said only represent my opinion, just like everybody else.

What I said only represent my knowledge and expereince, and of course some stuff I said can be wrong. Which part I said isn't objective? But happy to hear / discuss anything. I'll try to be as obective as I can :)

Beside, if we are talking about a particular district, isn't local resident's opinion worth hearing?

MR2(SW20)

ctai010 发表于 2015-7-3 13:29
ha, i exepct this sort of comment from day 1.
Yes my view is not completely neutural. What i said ...

Just for the record, nobody is saying that your input and opinion is worthless. There is a fair line between "worthless" and "not objective".

Like you said, your comments is based on your own experiences and knowledge. Then it is inappropriate to describe ideas or impression from others as "accusation". In fact, if "accusation" is always made against a particular area then it makes people think that must be a logical reason for it.

I respect the way that you have your opinion and stand by it. But instead of being obviously defensive, it would work much better if you can state the facts, if there are any, to support your theory.

Personally, I do not think it would be a easy task as the results will only be revealed in about 4 to 5 years time.

songinator

MR2(SW20) 发表于 2015-7-3 13:57
Just for the record, nobody is saying that your input and opinion is worthless. There is a fair li ...

there are houses built for 4 to 5 years already in that area or even 10 years

MR2(SW20)

songinator 发表于 2015-7-3 14:01
there are houses built for 4 to 5 years already in that area or even 10 years

I believe the ones that people worried about are not the ones which were built 4 or 5 years or even 10 years.

NewLynnHse

songinator 发表于 2015-7-3 14:01
there are houses built for 4 to 5 years already in that area or even 10 years

大师在FB是不是有房子？

songinator

NewLynnHse 发表于 2015-7-3 14:04
大师在FB是不是有房子？

东区各地就这么几个地方  买几套就都有了离佛光山近好修行

ctai010

MR2(SW20) 发表于 2015-7-3 13:57
Just for the record, nobody is saying that your input and opinion is worthless. There is a fair li ...

I don't know why you hold me to a higher standard than others.
The topic of this subject is : 'I heard Flat Bush have many poorly build new house, is it true"

Firstly I said this:
poor build quality is a problem everywhere in Auckland these days, not just Chinese builders.

Then I referenced a recent news article:  
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/ ... ding-inspectors-say

In side the article, looks like the example they reported is from a inspection manager working on the the north/west region.

Is this not enough support?

Lastly, I acknowledge again similar problem will happen everywhere these days in Auckland, include FB.

How is above 'obviously defensive'?

May I ask which area you live? Assuming you live in Mt Wellington ok?
What if I go start a new topic and say 'I heard Mt Wellington's crime is so bad, a lot people get murdered inside their house at night, is it true?'
And assume you come out and say 'I live in Mt Wellington many years and I'm fine, and all my neighbors are fine. And here, I searched all homicide cases in Auckland, there is 1 in Mt Roskill at 2015 (news link at http:/xxxx), 1 in Ponsonby at 2014 (news link at http:/xxxx)...". Overall homocide is rare in Auckland but it can happen anywhere"

And I say 'dude.. instead of being obviously defensive, you should backup your statement with fact'

How would you feel? that's exactly what you are doing to me mate.

If there's anything specific things I said wrong, I'm happy be to corrected.

beck@

一栋房子钉子可以省下好几百刀。。。。。。。。。。。。

取暖基本靠抖

happymaggie 发表于 2015-7-3 10:30
flat bush300多，400平米的建地都已经冲向50高60初了，虽然一直被说那边质量不好啥的，但是似乎好像房子也 ...

新出来的已经60多了。50多已经是过去时了。。。。。。

流落他乡

虽说我不住那区,其实只要对这种评论置之不理就好了.附和的人也是够可以了,欲言又止地的一句话下来还拖着长长的尾,就好象他那区都好房子似的...
新建的房子,尤其是最近两年仓促赶工建的,基本上都鱼龙混杂,质量参差不齐,得看建筑商德行.

tianzhi11

买房需要火眼金睛，同意。

clive

milestone

songinator 发表于 2015-7-3 10:13
鼠版这贴这不太符合版规吧   一个是点名  一个是道听途说
其实也没关系  奥克兰所有的坏builder都在flat  ...

他肯定在FB没有房子

大雄_John

我也听朋友说有朋友在那的房子已经开始出现一些质量问题了。

songinator

milestone 发表于 2015-7-3 21:30
他肯定在FB没有房子

版主也没有

MR2(SW20)

ctai010 发表于 2015-7-3 19:45
I don't know why you hold me to a higher standard than others.
The topic of this subject is : 'I  ...

Dude, I was gonna say something and then I realise that this isn't gonna go anywhere meaningful anyway. Put it in this way, one says my issue is not issue any more cause others have the same issue (really, lol). Let's agree to disagree and end the discussion here.

nanjingwy

请问哪个区的房子没有质量问题？

同一个人

可以说一半是对的。其实现在大部分的个人开发的新房都存在这个问题，材料人工选最便宜的，能省就省，质量存在很大隐患，council的检查能过不代表质量是好的。当然这个现象不单单只是在 flat bush.
不过也要看开发的和盖房的都是些什么人，你懂的。

同一个人

cizzzzk 发表于 2015-7-3 11:07
这个问题也很容易分析，以300平的全新房为例，质量靠得住的造价在1500一平，地基复杂的还要加钱。房子成本 ...

三百平的房子应该是两层的吧？每平方1500的造价就能说质量放心了？这1500每平方你说的是全包吗？

sam_sy

Stonefields fletcher 建的房子應該沒問題吧

ctai010

MR2(SW20) 发表于 2015-7-4 00:30
Dude, I was gonna say something and then I realise that this isn't gonna go anywhere meaningful an ...

"says my issue is not issue any more cause others have the same issue"
that part I agree. But put the problem into context, this is a Auckland (if not NZ) wide problem, buys may want to be very vigilant when buying new house anywhere. And buying from kiwi developer don't eliminate the problem too. I'll go one more step and say even buying from branded, large kiwi developer still doesn't mean there won't be problem with quality.

This topic is debated in length in the past, many, many, many other people made similar conclusion. There is a dude (looks like from the construction industry) commented "Even Remuera have leaky building. And Even FB have responsible and decent developer". Which is exactly my point. Unfortunately I cant find that old topic anymore.   

So, I agree with this statement: "says my issue is not issue any more cause others have the same issue".
So people should keep eyes wide open when buying new house anywhere, include FB.

You could have said that from the start and the discussion can stay perfectly neutral.
There is no need to say people's comment is not objective because they live in the same area.
Following that logic, I can make the same accusation toward you.
Assuming you don't live in FB right? that means you likely own a place elsewhere right?
Hey, your comment purposely biased, you are obviously discriminating agianst FB.
But that would be a very stupid and arrogant thing to say.
I personally judge the value of word by the word itself, but by the person said it.  

微苦蓝山

其实大部分这几年新建的，由华人开发商主导的（对不起事实如此，表喷我）新建房，总体质量都不如80年代中后期之前的，90年代初到2004年有未经处理的木材问题，不讨论
FB只是这类房子相对较多，其他区照样有，甚至有的地区一样很多，所以拿FB单拿出来，是非常不公平的
买房的时候，注意建房年代，最好查到建商是谁，如果能对于那种标准的“低质量房”心中有点大概的数就更好了！

BTW，在FB附近5公里内没有房，所以不是屁股决定的脑袋

cizzzzk

同一个人 发表于 2015-7-4 07:36
三百平的房子应该是两层的吧？每平方1500的造价就能说质量放心了？这1500每平方你说的是全包吗？ ...

平地的话1500钱是够数了，大包监理还是要辛苦费的吧

流落他乡

楼主没事呻吟就罢了,那谁也跟着起哄,我说这世界啥人都有,就不懂为何不能客观点动动脑子才张口.

倒觉得2005年后的房子会不会造工细致点,那时候市场没那么乱,当然,得撇除非人为的不可控因素,比如说没处理的木头,Plaster之类的.

nznets

之前有个2年新的fb房子屋顶塌了，但不代表全部fb的房子都是这样⋯⋯，那个区都有质量差的房子，硬要比较的话有些印度人盖的房子那才叫经典。