FIT 这车怎么样？？？？？？？？？？？？？？

bluebird66

如题！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！

rois

小面包车

馬蹄鐵

不错啊。。省油小车。。honda车都不错

惠林顿机场接送

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netghost1861

老款波箱问题警惕。

GRMVT

2001–2002年度 Honda Fit 被评为日本最佳汽车（JCOTY）
该款车还在2010–2011年度被日本最佳汽车评选委员会（JCOTY）颁布特别奖项 日本过去30年(1980~2010)回顾最佳汽车

The best of best

2001年推出到2010年7月截至10年间， HONDA FIT/ JAZZ 在全球115个国家销售在8个国家生产，累计一共售出了350万台，平均每年售出35万台

happydog1314

我最近一年换了3个Honda FIT 的CVT 波箱，做了十几次Reprogram，今天又有一台FIT 低速抖动，这个CVT波箱一定要注意保养，换电池要有备用电源，不要断电超过5秒，除此以外，这车轻，操控好，省油，是优点。

fuyu8818

作为使用者，我觉得honda fit真的不错

wheels

我最近一年换了3个Honda FIT 的CVT 波箱，做了十几次Reprogram，今天又有一台FIT 低速抖动，这个CVT波箱一定要注意保养，换电池要有备用电源，不要断电超过5秒，除此以外，这车轻，操控好，省油，是优点。
happydog1314 发表于 2011-7-26 19:58

换电池这块是为何？  不断电5秒该如何换电池呢，有啥方法？

脚印

除了有些fit拨箱有问题外，这车真的很不错

hare

不錯小車,可以裝很多東西,但是如果可以跑快一點就更好了

kiwilo99

02 03 04年的Fit據說 cvt波箱的零件有問題
很容易壞 而且要用原廠的油

爱国爱港

02 03 04年的Fit據說 cvt波箱的零件有問題
很容易壞 而且要用原廠的油
kiwilo99 发表于 2011-7-27 00:43

以下英语论文解释为什么CVT容易坏

http://www.dogandlemon.com/articles/automatics-cvt-transmissions


Back in the 1950s, some automatic transmissions had only two gears. Two-speed transmissions were a pain, because when you were going up a hill you only had two options: first or second gear; it screamed in first gear or lost power in second. Then, as you went faster, the transmission was screaming because it needed an extra gear but didn’t have one.

Two-speed automatics were not only inconvenient to use, but they robbed the car’s engine of much of its power and drank fuel like there was no tomorrow.

You may never notice it, but your four or five-speed automatic suffers from the same problems as the two-speed one described above: it never gets the gears quite right. That’s why cars with conventional automatics never put out quite as much power as those with a manual gearbox and almost always use more fuel.

In the 1950s, a Dutch company called DAF came up with a new type of automatic transmission that solved the problems described above. Instead of having a small, fixed number of gears, DAF’s gearbox simply made up the gearing as it went along; the DAF transmission could change itself internally to produce a wide range of different gears, each one perfectly suited to the road conditions and driving style of that vehicle. The Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT) was born.

There are no fixed gears (e.g., first, second, third, and so on) in a CVT. The transmission simply invents the right gear at the right time. In theory a CVT is the ideal gearbox.

In practice, however, most modern CVT gearboxes suffer from the same problems as their ancestors: because they don’t have gears (like on the back wheel of a bicycle), many CVTs use belts instead, like the one that goes around your waist. The problem is, these transmission belts break, no matter how well they’re made. When they break, the whole transmission has to come out, generally for a complete overhaul at great expense. CVT gearboxes that use chains are better, but they still break.

The carmakers knew this when they put these CVT transmissions onto the market, but they also knew that most of the CVTs wouldn’t break until the vehicle was out of guarantee, meaning it wouldn’t be the carmakers’ problem. However, even that scam didn’t work: both Nissan’s and Honda’s CVTs have been subject to multiple recalls, some on almost-new vehicles. It’s possible that someone will eventually figure out how to build a CVT transmission that lasts as long as a conventional manual gearbox, but we’re not holding our breath. In the meantime, the evidence to date suggests that CVT transmissions can easily become a nightmare for car owners.

The fact that many CVT transmissions die young shouldn’t be your problem; the easiest option is to simply avoid CVT transmissions entirely!

safari96

我最近一年换了3个Honda FIT 的CVT 波箱，做了十几次Reprogram，今天又有一台FIT 低速抖动，这个CVT波箱一定要注意保养，换电池要有备用电源，不要断电超过5秒，除此以外，这车轻，操控好，省油，是优点。
happydog1314 发表于 2011-7-26 19:58

诚心向Happy老师请教，希望能解开疑惑：


Happy老师多次提到为Fit CVT 电脑Reprogramming。
我很好奇这项服务，我看了很多资料包括原厂维修手册，都没有提到这个问题，我也问过许多业界同行包括国内的（水平高低不知道），都说不用，都是自学习适应过程就可以了。


大家都知道欧洲车电子节气门断电后要用设备匹配，但日本车大多是自适应，包括波箱。关于飞度波箱自适应文章网上可以搜出一堆，大都大同小异。


CVT电脑本身有编好的程序，储存在ROM芯片里，所谓自适应不过是把驾驶者的一些习惯储存在RAM里，断电后消失。


如果方便的话Happy老师可不可以说说所谓的Reprogramming是用HDS进行编程设定呢，还是也是一个如网上所说的自适应过程。


望不吝赐教！

谢谢！

beck@

其实我觉得CVT还是用在 小绵羊（轻骑） 比较适合。。。。不应该把这个技术挪用到汽车上。

http://www.honda.co.nz/technolog ... e-transmission-cvt/

happydog1314

所谓的Reprograming就是为了找回正确的Referrence point，自学习适应过程（self-learning) 如果没有正确的reference point ，那么只能是不正确的适应过程。为什么断电后波箱的热ference point 会失去，这个问题我也很纠结，正常的设计不应该这样，有和Honda的人讨论过，答案是honda 这样的设计有它的理由。关于reprogram 更多的详细，有兴趣的朋友可以问问Honda的dealer，通常换波箱会有保修期，条件是要做Reprogram和用原厂的波箱油。

hare

一定要用原廠波箱油.
我覺得後期的7speed CVT反應比前期的好很多

02 03 04年的Fit據說 cvt波箱的零件有問題
很容易壞 而且要用原廠的油
kiwilo99 发表于 2011-7-27 00:43

safari96

所谓的Reprograming就是为了找回正确的Referrence point，自学习适应过程（self-learning) 如果没有正确的reference point ，那么只能是不正确的适应过程。为什么断电后波箱的热ference point 会失去，这个问题我也很 ...
happydog1314 发表于 2011-7-27 22:36

看来你所说的Reprogramming也就是一个自适应自学习过程，我所理解的programming是用设备对程序进行编辑，设定，看来我们的理解不一样。
明白了，谢谢解答！

safari96

我觉得你不必纠结，既然是自我学习，记录的只是驾驶者的驾驶习惯，每个驾驶者的习惯是不一样的，所以厂家只设定最基本的，剩下的由驾驶者的习惯来决定，就像房子基本框架建好了，内部装修由房主决定一样，没有必要全都一样。

safari96

Dealer这样做自然有自己的道理，但如果都按原厂手册，卖二手零件的和After market零件的都可以关门了。

引领

honda fit？？？

gnaw1016

应该不错吧~~~~

脚印

现在的油价 一箱油多少钱？最多跑650能跑到吗？
党中央 发表于 2011-7-31 00:02

亮灯加满35L（70刀）左右，我的跑不了650，550还差不多。

10475539

honda比较省油