有房一族的兄弟姐妹们， 这次投工党吧

还是回国吧

投票开始了，再顶一下帖子

八味天红丸

这个是绿党做的球。

吓得本是国家党的票源也改投了工党。

即使工党有单独执政的能力,说不定也会带上绿党。而这个竟资产税也会不了了之。

啥也没弄，说几句狠话。就抢了国家党的票。。哈哈哈

Lease

八味天红丸 发表于 2020-10-5 06:49
这个是绿党做的球。

吓得本是国家党的票源也改投了工党。

其实我是觉得投票这件事， 不必对自己所中意的党派过于执着，而是要珍惜这一票投下去是否对自己最有利.

既然绿党出了这个政策， 那么就是有执行的可能.而工党又明确反对这一政策。所以一旦工党可以有单独执政，即便带上绿党组成联合政府， 那么绿党也不会将此工党反对的政策带进来. 反之， 如果工党无法单独执政，不得不与绿党组成联合政府， 那么绿党就有可能将此政策作为条件之一来加入联合政府.

这样的思考是符合逻辑的， 你觉得呢？

gravel

Lease 发表于 2020-10-5 07:44
其实我是觉得投票这件事， 不必对自己所中意的党派过于执着，而是要珍惜这一票投下去是否对自己最有利.

...

符合邏輯啊，工党就是要你這麼想呀。

自始至終全是你
讓我投入太徹底
故事如果注定悲劇
何苦給我美麗
演出相聚和別離

SunnyGarden

以毒攻毒不可取啊

八味天红丸

Lease 发表于 2020-10-5 07:44
其实我是觉得投票这件事， 不必对自己所中意的党派过于执着，而是要珍惜这一票投下去是否对自己最有利.

...

投票。当然是符合自己利益啊。

谁的政策符合自己的利益就投给谁

海伦时。华人也很支持工党。
到是国家党当时有点反移民。

今年国家党没戏。。政策太烂。人也不行。

brass

搞笑了，绿党今年的税收政策基本就是工党安排的任务吧。都投了工绿，各种税直接就能通过，右派连制衡的能力都没有了。到时候别搬石头砸了自己脚。

太极宗师001

goodmood 发表于 2020-9-26 21:07
正如肉肉妈说的：今年大选政党都省点钱吧，很多地方需要钱的。工党没有任何破绽，领导的确实不错，不盲从其 ...

工党不但是继续执政，而且是未来3届一直会执政的。

onetreehill1

工党单独执政觉得不是好事，虽然可以把绿党排出去，但是MMP制度就是如果一个执政政府里有个小党不高兴了，和在野党合作，那么执政党很有可能会被在野党联合小党推翻，这就是前几届国家党要拉上小党的原因。

工绿党是好基友，即使这次工党能单独执政，也一定会拉上绿党，大家不要小看绿党，想把绿党挤出国会很难，绿党的票仓一直是比较稳固的，还没有看到绿党在哪次大选中失手过，不过披头士的优先党被挤出国会过，这次估计也不会过5%的门槛

一党独大决不会是好事。希望还是联合政府执政好，至少有个相互牵制，不会乱来

还是回国吧

今天James Shaw又强调绿党要收财产税

08:00 开始说财产税
https://weekondemand.newstalkzb.co.nz/WeekOnDemand/ZB/auckland/2020.10.08-08.00.00-D.mp3


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12371312
The thing the Greens most wanted to get done that didn't happen? The capital gains tax.

Shaw said because Jacinda Ardern had ruled out a capital gains tax, the Greens had come up with the wealth tax proposal.


https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2010/S00060/a-labourgreens-govt-would-introduce-a-wealth-tax.htm
A Labour/Greens Govt Would Introduce A Wealth Tax
Thursday, 8 October 2020, 11:23 am
Press Release: New Zealand National Party

It’s clear a Labour/Greens Government would implement a radical Wealth Tax after reports this morning the Wealth Tax was specifically designed to circumvent their promise not to introduce a Capital Gains Tax, Leader of the National Party Judith Collins and National’s Finance spokesperson Paul Goldsmith say.

“This morning James Shaw admitted he designed the Wealth Tax so Labour would be able to implement it without breaking Jacinda Ardern’s promise not to introduce a Capital Gains Tax,” Mr Goldsmith says.

James Shaw stated: ‘she (Jacinda Ardern) said that she ruled out a Capital Gains Tax so we’ve come up with another version and said how about this as an option then if you are not willing to consider a Capital Gains Tax.’

When asked whether Labour will live with a Wealth Tax, James Shaw said: ‘Well, let’s find out.’
.............

Lease

还是回国吧 发表于 2020-10-8 17:14
今天James Shaw又强调绿党要收财产税

08:00 开始说财产税

所以我发这个贴子还是有点价值的，给还未投票的朋友们作为参考.

Lease

根据最新的1 NEWS Colmar Brunton poll， 工党支持率47%， 可获得60个国会议席， 可单独执政.

我希望最终的大选结果也是这样.

markjoe

说工党单独执政的，基本都是不懂玩儿政治的

工绿本就是一家，一个唱红脸，一个唱白脸而已，关键时刻都会抱团。这样更圆滑隐蔽方便推各种政策

怎么还有人幻想工党不拉上绿党单独执政

Lease

markjoe 发表于 2020-10-8 20:05
说工党单独执政的，基本都是不懂玩儿政治的

工绿本就是一家，一个唱红脸，一个唱白脸而已，关键时刻都会抱 ...

我相信工党会拉上绿党的. 但拉上求它成为联合政府， 和工党能够单独执政， 拉上它组成联合政府， 是完全两个概念.

区别在这儿.

markjoe

真的没啥区别，别再自欺欺人，都是白左，区别就在于一个明说要你的钱，一个还藏着掖着，怕被你知道要抢你的钱

还是回国吧

Lease 发表于 2020-10-8 20:19
我相信工党会拉上绿党的. 但拉上求它成为联合政府， 和工党能够单独执政， 拉上它组成联合政府， 是完全 ...

挺希望看到工党能单独执政的，看看绿党是什么下场。。。哈哈！！！

bungyjumping999

If there is an alliance (coalition) talk between Labour and Green to form a government, I think there will be a great market uncertainty on both the property and stock market.
Green's wealth tax is based on:

1 million wealth taxed 1%
2 million wealth taxed 2%
3 million wealth taxed 3% etc.

https://yournz.org/2020/06/29/detail-on-the-green-party-wealth-tax/


Beneficiary income will increase to $325 per week as guaranteed (Robin hood approach), that is what Green promised the beneficiaries.

This is a potential time bomb for coalition government negotiations. Although Labour denied it will adopt this policy, but if they need 1-2 seats to form the government, who knows, they will compromise?.

This is a grey area in this election.

If National call push up to 43%, there is still a chance with ACT who potentially might poll 7%. Let hope Scott Morrison Effect will happen in NZ ( ie Voting contrary to the Polls).

261874939

投工党不是因为工党做得好。。

是因为这些政党犹如一堆垃圾，只能挑个最好的了。

还是回国吧

bungyjumping999 发表于 2020-10-13 17:39
If there is an alliance (coalition) talk between Labour and Green to form a government, I think ther ...

There's another saying, the Greens also can't push too hard, because they could cause the nation to go to another polling if they pushed too hard and a new government could not be formed. If that happens, they will surely be gone. So, it's still hard to tell what's gonna happen.

Of course, the best way to avoid wealth tax would be to let National become government, but it's too late now...haha

Lease

bungyjumping999 发表于 2020-10-13 17:39
If there is an alliance (coalition) talk between Labour and Green to form a government, I think ther ...

I'm not optimistic that national can reach 43%. Plus Labour have performed well in control of virus.

I have already voted for Labour.

ThinkOutLoud

Lease 发表于 2020-10-13 18:05
I'm not optimistic that national can reach 43%. Plus Labour have performed well in control of viru ...

其实你应该投Green...
想当年Helen Clark怎么都不选和Green form coalition government, 选了nz first, 就是不想被Green 连累，太极端了
你应该助green一把，让Labour 和Green 一起互相搞，最多一届，Labour 就可以滚蛋了，哈哈哈

Lease

ThinkOutLoud 发表于 2020-10-13 20:43
其实你应该投Green...
想当年Helen Clark怎么都不选和Green form coalition government, 选了nz first,  ...

什么意思？ 没看懂.

ThinkOutLoud

Lease 发表于 2020-10-13 20:47
什么意思？ 没看懂.

就是让Green 和Labour 一起coalition government, Labour 会被Green 搞得苦不堪言，更多选民会见识他们的危害，就算能连任也就一届而已

BNC2015

绿党会给国民经济带来极大的危害，也会给工党恢复经济带上枷锁。
但因为工绿大几率小胜（55%），所以必定结盟。 工党不一定能过45%。

vehicle

感觉这种战略思维的投票很容易弄巧成拙。为了工党一家独大，把支持右翼的票投给工党，但工党未必最后能得到压倒性的票数，还消减了右翼的优势 反倒事与愿违。感觉现在摇摆的人很多，说白了，无论工党还是国家党都没有出彩的政策和人物出来，有些人也许最后关头又改了主意，或又投了哪个小党。

Lease

vehicle 发表于 2020-10-14 10:47
感觉这种战略思维的投票很容易弄巧成拙。为了工党一家独大，把支持右翼的票投给工党，但工党未必最后能得到 ...

既然“无论工党还是国家党都没有出彩的政策和人物出来”， 那么也就是这两个党投哪个都无所谓. 从目前的民调来看， 工党斩压国家党， 那我是觉得没必要投国家党浪费选票，不如投给工党，让它成为强势政府， 那样财富税推出的可能性就很小了.

bungyjumping999

Many overseas votes will go to Green.

So as some young people votes.

Some hippies (which NZ has a lot) and returnees here and there will also vote for Green, many of them do not have assets and see NZ as land for heritage and beauty and happy to see minimal economic activities etc.

My gut feeling is they will get into 5% threshold on election night.

Whereas for Labour, it is a almost a done deal to win.

For National a done deal to lose, the question is lost how much?
For ACT, it is how many seats they will get this time.

So, Labour and Green likely will be partners (a legacy from 2017) even if Labour do not need Green.

Lease

bungyjumping999 发表于 2020-10-14 15:48
Many overseas votes will go to Green.

So as some young people votes.

Indeed, so my opinion is that voting for National is sort of wasting ballot, rather vote for Labour so it can press Green down and eliminate possibility of implementing wealth tax.

gao.cc

太少了，200万以上的交20%才对

Lease

gao.cc 发表于 2020-10-14 16:37
太少了，200万以上的交20%才对

那可惜了， 绿党单独执政都无法实现.