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[其他] 在12周wages subsidy期间给notices 合法吗? [复制链接]

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发表于 2020-5-9 14:38:35 |显示全部楼层 微信分享
你们好
我想咨询一个问题,具说在12周wages subsidy期间是不能解雇员工的,然后这12周要发政府的580多纽币的工资补贴,或80%平均工资的补贴。
然后我的合同是4周的notice week,在12周的工资补贴发给我8周的时候给我发4 周的notice week,在这接下来的四周里给我发100%工资算是notice week pay, 因为不需要回去上班。
请问他们这们做合理吗?
其次他们给我四周notice工资这不就是解雇吗?还是应该另有redundant 赔偿?
我的合同如下:

20. Termination of Employment


20.1. In the event of termination of your employment, the following conditions will apply:


20.1.1. Where notice is given by either of us, it shall be no less and no more than the period specified in the Second Schedule (except in the case of redundancy) unless otherwise agreed between the parties in writing.


(a) If you give us notice that exceeds the agreed notice period, it will be deemed to be the notice period as specified in the Second Schedule and your employment will come to an end at the expiry of this time. Any notice given in excess of this will be null and void.


(b) If you give us notice that is less than the agreed notice period you will pay to us the sum equivalent to the amount of salary you would have been paid had you worked out your notice period.


20.1.2. In the event of proven serious misconduct or gross negligence by you, termination without notice will occur. We may suspend you on pay pending an investigation into any suspected serious misconduct or gross negligence involving you.


20.1.3. In the event that you are unable to properly perform your duties by reason of ill-health, accident or otherwise for a period or periods aggregating at least 65 working days (which timeframe may be reviewed by mutual agreement according to the circumstances) in any period of 12 consecutive calendar months, we may, after following a fair process, terminate your employment by giving notice in accordance with clause 18.1.1. You will only be eligible for payment during the notice period in respect of time actually worked. For the purposes of this clause, a fair process will include us requiring you to see a medical practitioner, as nominated by us, to assess your suitability and fitness for work. In the event that you refuse to attend a medical assessment arranged by us, we reserve the right to treat this as a disciplinary matter.


20.2. Where following notice given in accordance with clause 23.1.1 of this agreement we do not require you to work out all or part of the notice period, your employment will terminate at an earlier date nominated by us, in which case payment of your base salary in lieu of the balance of the original notice period will be made. In this case, the employment will be deemed to have ended and all benefits, including any right to commission, under this agreement to have ceased on the last day of

actual performance of work unless we have specifically agreed otherwise in writing.



21. Redundancy


21.1. Where, either:


(a) your position is no longer required, or


(b) your position or its requirements permanently change to such an extent that you are unable to fill the position in a manner satisfactory to us, then


we will consult with you with the objective of exploring possible alternatives to termination. If we are unable to find an alternative position, we will provide you with notice of termination of employment which will be at least that specified in the Second Schedule. Your employment will terminate at the expiry of the notice period or earlier where we do not require notice to be worked out but we would pay you in lieu of notice.


21.2. In any case of restructuring where our business, or any part of it, is sold or contracted out, we will, during negotiations for the sale or contracting out, raise with the third party the possibility of them offering you ongoing employment, including consideration that you may transfer on the same terms and conditions of employment.


21.3. In the event that your employment is terminated for reasons of redundancy, the following compensation shall be paid in addition to any other outstanding remuneration, holiday pay or reimbursement:


21.3.1. Subject to clause 20.4 below and the other provisions of this sub-clause, compensation shall be calculated on the basis of four week’s wages for the first year of current continuous service and two weeks’ for each completed year, and pro-rated for an incomplete year of current continuous service thereafter up to a maximum of 12 weeks’ wages (calculated in accordance with clause 18.3.2 below.


21.3.2. Redundancy compensation payments shall be calculated on the basis of your average weekly taxable earnings or the ordinary rate of pay, whichever is the higher, for the 12 month period prior to termination, or since the commencement of employment if less than 12 months.


21.3.3. In the case of you approaching your retirement, the amount of redundancy compensation shall be the lesser of the calculation made in clause 25.3.2 or the amount of base salary payable until the date of retirement.


21.4. No entitlement to redundancy benefits shall arise if:


21.4.1. Your employment is terminated by reason of the contracting out, sale or transfer of the whole or part of the business and the third party acquiring the business offers you employment in substantially the same or similar capacity (or in a capacity you are willing to accept), or substantially the same or similar conditions of employment and agrees to treat your service as being continuous; or


21.4.2. You continue to be employed with us; or


21.4.3. Your position is superfluous to our needs, but we offer you a reasonably similar position, commensurate with your skills and attributes, on similar conditions of employment; or


21.4.4. You leave your employment before your notice period expires.



22. Employment Relationship Problems


22.1. We will promote mediation as the primary problem solving mechanism under this agreement.


22.2. Employment relationship problems include:


· A personal grievance

· A breach of this agreement

· A dispute over the interpretation, application or operation of this agreement

· Any unfair bargaining which leads to this agreement

· A question about whether or not you are an employee

· Arrears of wages or holiday pay

· Wrongful suspension if you are a non-striking employee.


22.3. If you think you have an employment relationship problem you should advise us immediately of the existence and nature of the problem and let us know that you want something done about it. If your problem is a personal grievance you must do this within 90 days of the action causing the grievance. In some cases this time can be extended and in some cases you may wish to proceed under the Human Rights Act 1993 instead of the Employment Relations Act 2000. Once you have alerted us to the existence of an employment relationship problem, you may, if necessary, clarify the nature of the problem and the outcomes you seek.


22.4. Both of us will then attempt to resolve the matter ourselves. If we are unable to do so either of us may request assistance from the mediation service provided by the Department of Labour. If we are still not able to resolve it, either of us is entitled to apply to the Employment Relations Authority (or in certain circumstances the Employment Court) to make a decision on the matter. If either of us is not happy with a decision of the Employment Relations Authority we are entitled to apply to the Employment Court within 28 days of that decision to have the matter heard there.



请好心人解答,谢谢


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发表于 2020-5-9 19:04:25 |显示全部楼层 微信分享
人家最后4周都不需要你去上班了 就是给你补偿了  别得寸进尺了
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Hiroshima.S 发表于 2020-5-9 17:44
楼主还是先关心一下自己被白人和毛利霸占的出租房?

挺好的不用操心了。

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AsiaTelkom 发表于 2020-5-9 18:04
人家最后4周都不需要你去上班了 就是给你补偿了  别得寸进尺了

他这个四周还是处在lockdown啊。。。我们公司level 2也不能营业。不是不让我上班,是大家都不能去上班

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让你12个星期之后离职是允许的,可以使用wage subsidy来支付notice period,但是不能用wage subsidy来支付contractual redundancy payments。

https://www.employment.govt.nz/l ... subsidyredundancies

The Wage Subsidy obligations state that employers should retain their employees for at least 12 weeks if employers used their name to apply for the subsidy.

If an employer has to make an employee redundant during the subsidy period:

they can use the Wage Subsidy to pay the employee any notice period arising from the redundancy, and
they must repay any balance of the Wage Subsidy to Work and Income that’s left after the notice period has been paid.

An employer cannot use the Wage Subsidy to make any contractual redundancy payments to an employee.

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发表于 2020-5-11 19:49:17 |显示全部楼层 微信分享
Kuo 发表于 2020-5-11 16:57
让你12个星期之后离职是允许的,可以使用wage subsidy来支付notice period,但是不能用wage subsidy来支付c ...

请问什么是contractual redundancy payments。

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ameile.yu 发表于 2020-5-11 18:49
请问什么是contractual redundancy payments。


应该是合同里写明被裁员时雇主需一次性支付的遣散费。

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听起来你的雇主没有执行合法合约的redundancy程序,缺少了跟你协商这个关键步骤,我之前经历过类似的事件,后来找了一朋友帮我告,赢了,拿了不少赔款。你若想咨询他给我私信

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谢谢,不过我们有这个程序,就是公司从所有的人员里评分,评分最低的走人。
但你知道的,这只是一个程序,他想谁走都是定好的,只是形式上的让谁合法走人。

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本帖最后由 Adam321 于 2020-5-19 02:31 编辑
ameile.yu 发表于 2020-5-18 14:52
谢谢,不过我们有这个程序,就是公司从所有的人员里评分,评分最低的走人。
但你知道的,这只是一个程序, ...

以我当时打官司学到的一点小知识,我可以确定你讲的那个程序是不合法的,我讲的程序是法律规定的任何雇主都要无条件遵守的规矩,而不是你老板定的。你说的那个更像是他的罪名证据,对你有利。要知道Redundancy 跟个人表现是无关的,只跟公司或职务的状况有关,另外即使你表现再差,走另一条把你开除的路,也需要至少2-3次书面警告,而且要合理。如果我是你,我肯定会告他,胜算太大了,这个老板是个法盲,连我这个外行懂的都比他多。你去咨询专业人士,肯定能找到更多把柄。我那朋友人不错,收费方式十分良心,你去跟他好好聊聊吧。

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Adam321 发表于 2020-5-19 02:25
以我当时打官司学到的一点小知识,我可以确定你讲的那个程序是不合法的,我讲的程序是法律规定的任何雇主 ...

能否給我你朋友電話,謝謝你

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