是运气？

paulwood

标致车跑了20万公里没坏是新闻，prado 跑了30万公里居然抛锚了也是新闻，就像狗咬人不是新闻，人咬狗是新闻一样。

再说你自己也说过的，年代比公里数更重要，我朋友以前有一标致206，一年总有两三天在车场修，也没啥大毛病，就是什么天关不上，发动机漏油之类的，后来他总结出有钱买一全新德国车，没钱老老实实买一二手日本车，买一超过15年的法国车就是跟自己的钱包过意不去。

而且这车贬值极快，跟BMW 750 有得一拼，毕竟名声太臭了。

https://www.trademe.co.nz/2021979500

paulwood

ilmaro 发表于 2019-4-22 18:08
这算什么新闻……。最起码对我来说，它从来不是什么新闻……。

我只是反对众人学着人云亦云，传着道听途 ...

现在的2.0的Toyota Corolla就既便宜，又省油，又实用，又安全，性能也比1.8高些，以超过四千万的销量当之无愧世界有史以来最畅销的车。

paulwood

ilmaro 发表于 2019-4-22 20:26
卡罗拉，只能谈便宜，实用…………

对于一辆只卖3万块的车，该有的像7个气囊，ANCAP 安全5星，lanetrace assistance 都有了，
https://www.toyota.co.nz/compare?loaded=1&skuCode1=COROLLA-MZGX-NM1-040-20&skuCode2=COROLLA-ZWGX-NM1-1F7-20
欧洲柴油车 Ford, vw, BBA 技术都挺先进，没事在标致这种既不特别豪华，又不是后轮驱动，要不是欧盟贸易保护限制日本车进口数量，可能已经和英国的摩托车制造业一样垮掉的奇葩车上折腾啥? 买这车的人一般都是不特别懂车又想与众不同的艺术家之类。坏了，标致的专修店比BMW还少多了。

标致车除了相对便宜，省油，抓地性能还不错，看不出来有什么独特的卖点。

paulwood

10 MOST UNRELIABLE MODELS

1. Range Rover Sport
The Range Rover Sport is a pricey SUV that's used by most for the school run rather than scaling mountain rises or trawling through fields.

That said, many still incur plenty of issues which tend to be expensive to repair.

Warranty Wise ranks it as the least dependable model you can drive, with the most common problem being suspension faults, which costs around $1000 to fix.

When problems start to pile up: when a car is 8 years and 7 months old

2. Vauxhall Zafira
The Zafira is probably a car you've decided to avoid already - or you would have done if you'd Googled it. The family-friendly MPV has been subject to recalls following a spate of fires that have occurred, mainly caused by aftermarket replacement parts.

And turning into a fireball on wheels isn't all that owners need to be concerned about. That's because this Vauxhall suffers some catastrophic gearbox issues, which cost on average over $1900 to resolve.

When problems start to pile up: when a car is 10 years and 3 months old

3. Vauxhall Insignia
Vauxhall's second entry in the unreliable car list is the Insignia - a favoured rep mobile that's likely to have been slogged up and down the motorway in the week and used to cart the family around at the weekend.

According to Warranty Wise, it's steering faults that are most common, though the repair costs around $522, there are other frequently reported issues that cost almost five times as much to fix.

When problems start to pile up: when a car is 7 years and 7 months old

4. Peugeot 207
French cars don't have the best reputation when it comes to dependability, but this is the only one to feature in Warranty Wise's top 5 rankings.

What goes wrong most often? According to the report, it's engine faults and cylinder head gaskets that tend to cause the most headaches, and cost an average $1090 to repair. While these aren't as expensive to rectify as other models in this list, the relative cost in terms of the vehicle value is still pretty high.

When problems start to pile up: when a car is 10 years and 2 months old

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12165840

paulwood

ilmaro 发表于 2019-4-24 00:55
像这一些评论，有参考的意义，但不必盲目完全听信，并且一棒打死整个车厂产品……。

车的使用与养护很重 ...

1万元的308 HDi,你太高估标致车的保值性了，奥克兰没人把 308 HDi 卖得超过8000的，就这样还是卖不出去，毕竟没什么人刻意去 trademe 上搜索 308 的，加上1000公里68元的柴油税，更贵的维护费用，因为有 turbo 换正时皮带时又要多花几小时，皮带还比汽油版的贵，如果不是在高速上巡航，在市区的交通中走走停停，大慨17,8万公里时，turbo 就需要 recondition 了， 价格800元起。而且加完油后，那些比汽油更致癌的柴油不拿肥皂都洗不掉。

https://www.trademe.co.nz/1992322034

顺便说一下， 207 可以是 2011 年的， 比你朋友的 308 新3年。

paulwood

Diesel is cheaper to buy, but you have to pay road user charges per kilometer. ... Diesel engines are (generally) less reliable than petrol engines, therefore over the lifetime of the engine the diesel motor will probably cost you more in maintenance.

https://www.drivingtests.co.nz/resources/should-you-buy-a-petrol-or-diesel-car/

paulwood

ilmaro 发表于 2019-4-24 02:16
让我来告诉你： 全世界的柴油都比汽油便宜，这是柴油的特性造成的……。但并不是每一个国家都像新西兰一样 ...

让我来告诉你： 捷克的柴油就比汽油贵，这跟柴油的特性无关。

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/diesel_prices/

是你说的:”丰田混动技术,确实可靠性相当高”

http://bbs.skykiwi.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3727165&highlight=混动&tmobile=1

怎么突然就今是而昨非了。
别忘了， corolla 也有混动的，而且新车价格只比普通版贵3000元。
就事论事，corolla 随便一桶40元5w-40机油就行，308 有 DPF, 还真得用一桶86元的机油，你去零件店问问，308柴油 cambelt 肯定比 Corolla 贵。

paulwood

2011 年英国消费者问卷调查上

Of the 34 makes surveyed, Volkswagen was 15th, BMW was 18th, Audi was 20th, Peugeot was 25th, Fiat was 29th, Renault was 32nd and Alfa Romeo was last.

https://dogandlemon.com/media/warning-over-european-cars

也就是说在欧洲车中除了倒闭的SAAB, 标致是倒数第4,仅比Fiat, Renault, Alfa Romeo 好点。

paulwood

没文化真可怕，还理科生，连最基本的热涨冷缩都不知道， 人家都说和气生财，就他这脾气，难啊。

”1、车厂气压推荐值通常可以在以下地方找到：车辆用户手册，驾驶室车门(B柱附近)旁边的标签，车辆驾驶座旁的抽屉，油箱盖小门。2、车厂胎压推荐值指的是冷却胎压。定义如下： 停车后至少三小时后或轮胎行驶不超过2公里。如果只能在热胎时测量胎压,请将所测得的胎压数值减去大约0.3巴(=4psi)就是轮胎冷却充气压力。”

当年在美国因为Ford explorer 官方推荐的 28 PSI 太低等因素引起271人死亡。

While the Explorer was being tested for the market place, Ford's own engineers knew of its potential to rollover due to instability and its high center of gravity. In order to counter this problem, Ford decided to lower the tire pressure because softer lower pressure tires help to control the vehicle from going out of control and sliding out, but at the same time tires with lower tire pressure also heat up quicker and have a higher chance of a blowout. Further, tires with already lower pressure can also be more susceptible to road hazards and tire punctures, thereby again lowering the tire pressures due to a puncture and again heating up the tire to even higher temperatures on the highway. Lower pressure tires on an Explorer when fully loaded can easily become over-loaded thereby creating higher temperatures in the tires creating softer tires resulting in more frequent rollovers from blowouts and tire failures at highway speeds especially in the summer months.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_controversy

随便说一句，我从未说过 Tiguan 是好车，还有 成语是指鹿为马，指马为鹿只能是你的创造。

赵高欲（1）为乱（2），恐（3）群臣不听，乃先设验（4），持（5）鹿献于二世（6），曰：“马也。”二世笑曰：“丞相误（7）邪？谓鹿为马。”问左右（8），左右或（9）默，或言马以阿顺（10）赵高，或言鹿者。高因（11）阴（12）中（13）诸言鹿者以法（14）。（15）后群臣皆（16）畏高。（司马迁《史记·秦始皇本纪》）

paulwood

要论标致308 HDi 好不好，问问出租车司机就好，在奥克兰多年，见过奔驰S300,柴油的Hyundai Sonata,和 308 差不多大小 Civic, Bluebird, Corolla甚至 WRX 当出租车都有，就是没人拿这既省油，又比 Corolla 发动机耐用，豪华，还便宜的车跑出租，一个都没见过。

paulwood

ilmaro 发表于 2019-4-25 09:56
我没文化？你确定你有资格评论吗？书读到像我这样的多的人，可不太多哦……。要说我没有文化的话，要是要 ...

你的记忆力有问题.
"轮胎打气要打到35PSI,不是 kpa哦，回家后，2小时后轮胎冷却后，气压差不多就是 32 PSI."

paulwood

ilmaro 发表于 2019-4-25 10:51
这倒没说错，我记忆力是有问题，不过不是长久的记忆有问题，而是现在记不住事儿……。

车主问的是
"刚从车行买个2手车。卖车的小哥好心的提醒我，轮胎打气要打到33. 我回家查看车主手册，上面要求是32. 你们平时打气都是多少啊？胎压稍微高一点到底有什么好处呢？"

http://bbs.skykiwi.com/forum.php ... &extra=page%3D1

paulwood

ilmaro 发表于 2019-4-25 12:26
你我经常见，不管是 车版 也好，还是 FML ，我们曾经好好聊过，我们后来也互喷过……。

兄弟，没啥意思… ...

ilmaro:
"corolla 随便用一桶机油？我说你不懂车，就是不懂车！这种言论就证明你根本不懂！ 什么车，用什么机油，都是有保养标准的！随便？哈……。"

以子之矛，攻子之盾

paulwood

ilmaro 发表于 2019-4-25 12:58
你没有矛可攻…………

我这句话有错吗？这句话引用自你的回贴！

我说的是:
"corolla 随便一桶40元5w-40机油就行"

国际汽车工程师学会认证的 5w-40

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E ... 8%E5%AD%A6%E4%BC%9A

paulwood

ilmaro 发表于 2019-4-25 13:15
你知道什么叫随便吗？

卡罗拉早些年就要用全合成 5W30 机油了……。HYBRID 版本的更要用 0W20 HYBRID 专 ...

非特价期: $52.75

https://www.supercheapauto.co.nz/p/nulon-nulon-full-synthetic-long-life-engine-oil---5w-30-4-litre/381160.html#q=5w-30&srule=Price+Ascending&sz=12&start=12

paulwood

ilmaro 发表于 2019-4-25 13:28
你看你看，又扯…………

行！就当用这个价的油就 OK ！

同样 Synthetic， 选一个 canstar 评分最高的

https://www.canstarblue.co.nz/vehicles/car-servicing/

Corolla $104.95

http://www.oilchangers.co.nz/services/full-synthetic-service

308 $144.95
http://www.oilchangers.co.nz/services/synthetic-euro-service

paulwood

我是元芳 发表于 2019-4-26 09:23
用前几楼数据全合成机油
汽油104.95每10000公里换一次
柴油144.95每20000公里换一次

标致 308 汽油，柴油都是2万公里 （12500mile) 换次机油。

https://www.carleasingmadesimple.com/data/peugeot/308/service-intervals/

paulwood

我是元芳 发表于 2019-4-26 14:39
噗~~你这数据是在赞赏peugeot汽油引擎吗?
贴个toyota camry的吧

peugeot引擎加工精度还不如toyota呢，这些车商的维护间隔是由市场部决定的，那样他们可号称因为我们的车不用那么频繁地换机油，所以省钱省事，反正就算他们这么干，引擎在3年10万公里内毁掉的可能性还是极低的，可是这也是peugeot在欧洲车中耐用度排名倒数第四的原因之一。

paulwood

我是元芳 发表于 2019-4-26 18:05
原来是越烂的车机油越不用换
加工精度的优劣请给reference
数据是你给的 你又说车商随便订乎弄消费者

我年轻的时候跟我朋友把他那见鬼的标致207 2.0 的活塞拆出来拿千分尺量的， 跟差不多同样公里数的 Toyota 3S-GE 对比的。
反正你只是大神的托儿，你懂不懂不重要。