IT毕业，找工作，困惑。

ybbest

John.G 发表于 2012-9-20 11:06
Test code in MVC definitely is a big benefit rather than test in MVP

What are the benefits , if you structure your code using MVP in the asp.net form,you can unit all you logic .I can not see anything bettter in MVC from unit testing perspective. The only thing I see is that Microsoft starts educate the .net community to write better code and utiliz unit testing when mvc comes out.

Venox10111

taomibaobao 发表于 2012-9-20 11:01
我见过。。而且还是 head....

my head, and head of head of head, are South Africans....

kfq1984

都是牛人啊。我这种只会用C，英语又不好不会忽悠的人。纯粹不给活路啊。
我也在刷马桶

John.G

ybbest 发表于 2012-9-20 11:04
If you design your code using MVP design pattern,you can easily test your code. The code quality h ...

Test code in MVC definitely is a big benefit rather than test in MVP

ybbest

Venox10111 发表于 2012-9-20 10:49
Seems you've got tons of experiences in bigger projects. GUI is the least thing to consider there. ...

If you design your code using MVP design pattern,you can easily test your code. The code quality has nothing to do with Framework , if you design your code badly in MVC , you can not unit test your code either.
It is bad or should I say inexperienced developer  who wrote bad code , has nothing to do with your tools.

taomibaobao

光圈优先 发表于 2012-9-19 01:15
虽然你这个人还不错，但是我必须告诉你，新西兰根本不是你所说的那个样子，而是更接近我所说的那个样子。 ...

我见过。。而且还是 head....

John.G

Venox10111 发表于 2012-9-20 10:49
Seems you've got tons of experiences in bigger projects. GUI is the least thing to consider there. ...

agree.... once you use MVC, you never want to back to webform

Venox10111

糖罐儿 发表于 2012-9-14 23:03
Stored procdure落伍了？你知道EF和LINQ是什么原理么？They are built on top of anonymous delegate whi ...

Seems you've got tons of experiences in bigger projects. GUI is the least thing to consider there...
Looking at MVC4 API mode, which can be the NEXT BIG THING. Been using WCF for a lot of projects and think going to move to MVC4 API.
The down point for webform is it is very hard to apply testing to it, so it breaks here and then, where as MVC is a much stable solution for projects, and Jquery UI always there to provide a nice user experience.

hopeman

吊, 为啥一定要做管理层,  117做过经理的, 又如何?
每两周有三千大元进户口, 码工又如何不好?  顶你个肺
管TM的地震龙卷风

新西兰华人高手很多, 但你肯定不是其中一个, 你就没这水平, 回家鲁管去吧

kissyrain

光圈优先 发表于 2012-9-18 00:58
你这个娘们脑子蠢得跟猪一样。你自己都找不到工作，你还说IT工作好找？那说明你自己是猪？你懂个屁。新西 ...

你不是特善于挖别人的隐私吗？那你怎么连我做什么都不知道呢？接着挖啊！还说我找不到工作？？？这年头了谁还把刷马桶当全职工作来做啊！你个大男的比娘们还娘们！我最看不起这样的人了！

kissyrain

光圈优先 发表于 2012-9-18 00:58
你这个娘们脑子蠢得跟猪一样。你自己都找不到工作，你还说IT工作好找？那说明你自己是猪？你懂个屁。新西 ...

谢谢你啊，我们都是半个同行中的人，高等职位，你是刷马桶的，我是指挥刷马桶的，但是不知道为神马我特看不起你！！！别说我又打自己嘴巴，说了也没用，有本事你过来打我嘴巴！让我也对你刮目相看！就在这用粗俗的话和我一个女人嚷嚷！还是个男人，不觉得丢人吗？

kissyrain

光圈优先 发表于 2012-9-18 00:58
你这个娘们脑子蠢得跟猪一样。你自己都找不到工作，你还说IT工作好找？那说明你自己是猪？你懂个屁。新西 ...

你智商有问题，而且你还有重度的神经病！加幻想症！我哪句话说IT工作好找了？！你懂个屁！

kissyrain

光圈优先 发表于 2012-9-18 00:58
你这个娘们脑子蠢得跟猪一样。你自己都找不到工作，你还说IT工作好找？那说明你自己是猪？你懂个屁。新西 ...

谁码农思想啊？我又不是搞IT的，我自己有全职的工作，又开清洁公司怎么啦？我老公再去找IT的工作怎么了？你这个男人和我女人一般思想，你真有本事啊！我真不知道我哪得罪你了，我就知道回了你一句话：会刷马桶的不一定会做IT，会做IT的肯定会刷马桶。我这句话哪错了？再说了我也没打算做码农，老公学的也不是软件开发。我就是要既刷马桶也做IT，怎么啦？？你把我那句码农思想的话揪出来啊！说话要有依据啊！

kissyrain

光圈优先 发表于 2012-9-18 01:37
你这个人太虚伪了，你一面瞧不起刷马桶的，一边还去问清洁生意的事，让我抓个现行。哈哈
另外，你要是觉 ...

我不是看不起刷马桶的，我是看不起你这种刷马桶的人。你别站在暗处说话！

dsken

如履薄冰 发表于 2012-9-18 11:51
多谢多谢，可是我在竞争惨烈奥克兰前线战场

{:8_493:}嗯！那就加油。

如履薄冰

dsken 发表于 2012-9-18 10:43
努力，一定会能坚持下去的，不知道你在哪，要是在汉密尔顿，可以来我家电试试，我家店现在招人。

多谢多谢，可是我在竞争惨烈奥克兰前线战场

dsken

努力，一定会能坚持下去的，不知道你在哪，要是在汉密尔顿，可以来我家电试试，我家店现在招人。

117wik

AdrianLiu729 发表于 2012-9-17 19:42
Thank you so much ! I am in my 2nd yr of bachalor degree in AU and exchanging to NUS(National Uni  ...

Finding a first job for fresh gradaute is always going to be hard no matter what degree you are doing or which industry you are trying to get into. All you can do is keep up with what's in demand from the industry, and do everything you can to better prepare yourself, to inprove your chance of getting shortlisted. It's not going to be an easy journey, but then the good news is, it's actually soemething that's achievable, and many of us are a living proof.

Since you are going down the programming path job wise, i won't be able to give you too much advise, when the time comes, if you need someone to talk to in regards to interview skill tips etc, feel free to IM me though (i have interviewed > 200 candidates for the past 8-10 years).

Good luck and hopefully singapore isn't too hot for you. :)

117wik

光圈优先 发表于 2012-9-17 17:19
117wik，你小子在新西兰干了12年了？12年前是头猪都可以找到IT工作。人家30多岁的女的在本地读了3年书还找到 ...

I am starting to like you, as you bring a lot of fun to this forum.

And just FYI, looking for first job in NZ for graduates have always been hard and challenging, none of us ever dispute that. It took me more than 6 months after i graduated from uni to get my first IT job 12 years ago, you could say that i was lucky, or you could say that i tried harder than many others.

You kept telling everyone to not waste their time and it's almost "impossible" for fresh graduate to find a job in NZ, and i was merely pointing out the fact that, through out my various different roles in NZ, i have seen tonnes and tonnes of chinese graduates starting out in various different IT roles, and many of them are doing reasonably well.

I am not sure what sort of person you are in real life, what do you actually get from being negative, be rude to others, and pissing everyone off? For new graduates that are starting out, wouldn't it be better to give them some hope and word of encouragement, and wishing them the best and hope that they can be like one of us and eventually prosper in NZ? Instead of telling them not to waste their time?

Don't get us wrong, we all agree that it's HARD, we have all been through the similar challenges ourselves, and we are all sharing our own experience and hoping that others can make it too. Feel free to continue to spread your negativity, and i will continue to do my bits to encourage and share my own experience. At the end of the day, internet is the best place for freedom of speech.

BTW, in regards to your comment that "新西兰华人除了做生意的以外，80%都是做饭的，做各种建筑相关的，做油漆的，或其他清洁等苦逼工的" I am not sure what sort of people you hang around with, 95% of my chinese friends in NZ aren't doing business, and many of them are working as a professional in various different industries (doctor, accountant, lawyer just to name a few).

And also your comment about "华人就是下等公民", you should probably go do a search on skykiwi and see how many of us are actually leading the way in various different industries. Even just in IT, many of us are working as architects, manager, team leader etc, earning >100k salary. I know you are going to come back and say it's only a minority. All i am trying to point out is, for those of us that are willing to try, whether we are in NZ or our home country, we can get somewhere.

如履薄冰

小沫 发表于 2012-9-17 20:08
另外给LZ的建议就是，第一份进入一个行业的工作必然是比较困难的，
所以多花点时间也正常，不用着急的，好 ...

鸿鹄论坛，你值得拥有。Good luck

papa_ohyeah

Ls的太偏激了吧
大家有技术+毅力+不断的学习 一定能找到工作的
我周围很多人都是It的
钱虽然有可能没有刷马桶多
但是好歹也是做自己喜欢的码农啊

hopeman

你只能代表你妈生你的病儿子, 你爸当年射墙上好过, 还积累10冬房子, 你每天鲁管十次我就信

hopeman

只能说你病得不清, 该吃药了