人生苦难的原因

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 20:25
文艺复兴不但是基督徒（更确切地说，是信义宗、圣公会，长老宗人士为主。）倡导的，并且只可能在基督徒掌 ...

你怎么说都行，嘴在你头里。你要是想要有任何说服力，请你拿出证据。

我的证据是，但丁的神曲就是揭露基督教的虚伪的诗歌。文艺复兴是反抗天主教统治的运动。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 20:27
回复过了，你没有读清楚。

那是狡辩，我不接受那个说法。

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-5 21:31
我发现你总是喜欢把穆斯林和基督徒混为一谈。

我能告诉你，穆斯林可能会因为你说的话，对你发起圣战。基 ...

你好不容易回来了，来，请你解析一下你们基督教为什么要杀害这么多非基督教徒：

Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
The Albigensians...viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (greatest single pre-nazi mass murderer) in 1209. Bezirs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbours and friends) 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]
After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324. [WW183]
Estimated one million victims (cathar heresy alone), [WW183]
Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]
John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]
University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 20:27
回复过了，你没有读清楚。

而且你没有提供任何证据来证明你的结论。

、鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-5 21:31
我发现你总是喜欢把穆斯林和基督徒混为一谈。

我能告诉你，穆斯林可能会因为你说的话，对你发起圣战。基 ...

你好不容易回来了，来，请你解析一下你们基督教为什么要杀害这么多非基督教徒：

Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
The Albigensians...viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (greatest single pre-nazi mass murderer) in 1209. Bezirs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbours and friends) 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]
After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324. [WW183]
Estimated one million victims (cathar heresy alone), [WW183]
Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]
John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]
University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 20:26
你要反驳基督理念的观点，又不肯了解理念，这叫什么逻辑？

我只是不认为你的圣经有任何权威性。所以，你要是想用圣经来辩解，请你先辩解一下你圣经的权威性。为什么我要相信你的圣经？

鹬鸵圣者

lzhizhao 发表于 2015-9-15 20:28
那是狡辩，我不接受那个说法。

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-5 21:31

不愿接受就不接受，反正没有基督徒会对你的无理与无礼发动人生恐吓。
穆斯林有可能，我建议你不要尝试。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 20:30
不愿接受就不接受，反正没有基督徒会对你的无理与无礼发动人生恐吓。
穆斯林有可能，我建议你不要尝试。 ...

不好意思，你们基督徒也有很多恐怖袭击。不过当然咯，你肯定会说他们不是真正的基督徒，就如穆斯林人会说那些不是真正的穆斯林信徒。who care. religion kill that's all.

Gunpowder Plot[edit]
Main article: Gunpowder Plot
The early modern period in Britain saw religious conflict resulting from the Reformation and the introduction of Protestant state churches.[6] The 1605 Gunpowder Plot was a failed attempt by a group of English Catholics including Guy Fawkes to assassinate King James I, and to blow up the Palace of Westminster, the English seat of government. According to Vahabph D. Aghai, "The beginnings of modern terrorism can be traced back to England and the Gunpowder Plot of 1605."[7] Although the modern concept of religious terrorism had not yet come into use in the 17th century, David C. Rapoport and Lindsay Clutterbuck point out that the Plot, with its use of explosives, was an early precursor of 19th century anarchist terrorism.[8] Sue Mahan and Pamala L. Griset classify the plot as an act of religious terrorism, writing that "Fawkes and his colleagues justified their actions in terms of religion."[9] Peter Steinfels also characterizes this plot as a notable case of religious terrorism.[10]

Pogroms[edit]
See also: Religious persecution and Ethnic cleansing
Orthodox Christian movements in Romania, such as the Iron Guard and Lăncieri, which have been characterized by Yad Vashem and Stanley G. Payne as anti-semitic and fascist, respectively, were responsible for involvement in the Bucharest pogrom, and political murders during the 1930s.[11][12][13][14](p37)[15]

Ku Klux Klan[edit]
Main article: Ku Klux Klan

Klan members conduct a cross burning in 1921.

Rev. Branford Clarke's illustration in the 1926 book Klansmen: Guardians of Liberty portrays the Klan as slaying Catholic influence in the US.
After the American Civil War of 1861–1865, members of the Protestant-led[16] Ku Klux Klan (KKK) organization began engaging in arson, beatings, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape, tar-and-feathering, whipping and intimidation via such means as cross burning. They targeted African Americans, Jews, Catholics, and other social or ethnic minorities.

Klan members had an explicitly Christian terrorist ideology, basing their beliefs in part on a "religious foundation" in Christianity.[17] The goals of the KKK included, from an early time onward, an intent to "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible", and they believed that "Jesus was the first Klansman."[18] From 1915 onward, Klansmen conducted cross-burnings not only to intimidate targets, but also to demonstrate their respect and reverence for Jesus Christ, and the ritual of lighting crosses was steeped in Christian symbolism, including prayer and singing hymns.[19] Within Christianity the Klan directed hostilities against Catholics. Modern Klan organizations remain associated with acts of domestic terrorism in the US.[20]

鹬鸵圣者

lzhizhao 发表于 2015-9-15 20:27
你怎么说都行，嘴在你头里。你要是想要有任何说服力，请你拿出证据。

我的证据是，但丁的神曲就是揭露基 ...

这又有何离奇？
耶稣还在人间处处揭露法利赛人、撒都该人的虚伪呢。并且还留下一句话：你们不要论断，因为论断人的必被论断。你拿何等量器去量人，也必然被何等量器所量。
告诫说，是何人只见兄弟眼中木屑，却不见自己眼中的大梁。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 20:30
不愿接受就不接受，反正没有基督徒会对你的无理与无礼发动人生恐吓。
穆斯林有可能，我建议你不要尝试。 ...

Central African Republic[edit]
Christian militia groups destroyed almost all mosques in the Central African Republic unrest.[23][24] In 2014, Amnesty International reported several massacres committed by the Anti-balaka against Muslim civilians, forcing thousands of Muslims to flee the country.[25][26] Other sources report incidents of Muslims being cannibalized.[27][28]

On 20 January 2014, Catherine Samba-Panza, the mayor of Bangui, was elected as the interim president in the second round voting.[29] The election of Samba-Panza was welcomed by Ban Ki-moon, the UN Secretary-General.[30] Samba-Panza was viewed as having been neutral and away from clan clashes.Her arrival to the presidency was generally accepted by the anti-balaka.Following the election, Samba-Panza made a speech in the parliament appealing to the anti-balaka for putting down their weapons.[31]

The next day anti-Muslim violence continued in Bangui,[32] just days after the Muslim former Health Minister Dr. Joseph Kalite was lynched outside the Central Mosque[33] and at least nine other people were killed when attacked when a mob, some of who were from Christian self-defence groups, looted shops in the Muslim-majority Miskine neighbourhood of Bangui.[34] As of 20 January, the ICRC reported that it had buried about 50 bodies within 48 hours.[35] It also came after a mob killed two people who they accused of being Muslim, then dragged the bodies through the streets and burnt them.[36] Within the previous month, about 1,000 people had died.[37] On 4 February 2014, a local priest said 75 people were killed in the town of Boda, in Lobaye province[38] In the southwest, anti-balaka militants attacked Guen in early February resulting in the deaths of 60 people, according to Father Rigobert Dolongo, who also said that he had helped bury the bodies of the dead, at least 27 of whom died on the first day of the attack and 43 others the next day. As a result, hundreds of Muslim refugees sought shelter at a church in Carnot.[39]

In May 2014, it was reported that around 600,000 people in CAR were internally displaced with 160,000 of these in the capital Bangui. The Muslim population of Bangui had dropped from 138,000 to 900. The national health system had collapsed and over half of the total population of 4.6 million were said to be in need of immediate aid. Also from December 2013 to May 2014, 100,000 people had fled to neighbouring Cameroon, Chad and the Democratic Republic of Congo bringing the number of CAR refugees in these countries to about 350,000[40] Amnesty International blamed the anti-balaka militia of causing a "Muslim exodus of historic proportions.[41] Some Muslims of the country were also weary of the French presence in MISCA, with the French accused of not doing enough to stop attacks by Christian militias. One of the cited reasons for the difficulty in stopping attacks by anti-balaka militias was the mob nature of these attacks[42]

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 20:30
不愿接受就不接受，反正没有基督徒会对你的无理与无礼发动人生恐吓。
穆斯林有可能，我建议你不要尝试。 ...

还有乌干达大屠杀，你们满手鲜血！！

鹬鸵圣者

lzhizhao 发表于 2015-9-15 20:33
不好意思，你们基督徒也有很多恐怖袭击。不过当然咯，你肯定会说他们不是真正的基督徒，就如穆斯林人会说 ...

不用我说是不是，我说的不算，就按照圣经的标准去衡量。还是重复刚才的话，你如果想要衡量一个基督徒是否合格，就去引用基督理念最核心的部分。马太福音第五章到第七章。

然后穆斯林不同，穆罕默德许诺圣战者直接入乐园，这是在对麦加的战役中就有的话。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 20:33
这又有何离奇？
耶稣还在人间处处揭露法利赛人、撒都该人的虚伪呢。并且还留下一句话：你们不要论断，因 ...

你认为可兰经有权威性么，请问你怎么不相信可兰经?你说的圣经内容都是废话，证明不了任何东西，但是你们的行为，你们所做的一起，最好的说明了你们是怎么的暴力，残酷，血腥和野蛮。

、鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-5 21:31
我发现你总是喜欢把穆斯林和基督徒混为一谈。

我能告诉你，穆斯林可能会因为你说的话，对你发起圣战。基 ...

你好不容易回来了，来，请你解析一下你们基督教为什么要杀害这么多非基督教徒：

Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
The Albigensians...viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (greatest single pre-nazi mass murderer) in 1209. Bezirs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbours and friends) 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]
After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324. [WW183]
Estimated one million victims (cathar heresy alone), [WW183]
Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]
John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]
University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.

鹬鸵圣者

lzhizhao 发表于 2015-9-15 20:34
还有乌干达大屠杀，你们满手鲜血！！

所以你认识到了，这个世界没有公正可言，基督必然审判万有。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 20:35
不用我说是不是，我说的不算，就按照圣经的标准去衡量。还是重复刚才的话，你如果想要衡量一个基督徒是否 ...

我不觉得圣经有任何权威性。每个基督教都觉得别的基督徒都不是真正的基督徒，我厌烦了你们的高傲和自大。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 20:37
所以你认识到了，这个世界没有公正可言，基督必然审判万有。

我不觉得圣经有任何权威性，你们基督徒杀的人不比伊斯兰少。

、鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-5 21:31
我发现你总是喜欢把穆斯林和基督徒混为一谈。

我能告诉你，穆斯林可能会因为你说的话，对你发起圣战。基 ...

你好不容易回来了，来，请你解析一下你们基督教为什么要杀害这么多非基督教徒：

Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
The Albigensians...viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (greatest single pre-nazi mass murderer) in 1209. Bezirs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbours and friends) 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]
After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324. [WW183]
Estimated one million victims (cathar heresy alone), [WW183]
Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]
John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]
University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 20:37
所以你认识到了，这个世界没有公正可言，基督必然审判万有。

你可以胡说海篇，但是我看到的只有你的结论，没有看到你提供任何证据。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 20:37
所以你认识到了，这个世界没有公正可言，基督必然审判万有。

来，自以为博学多才的圣者来看看你们基督徒干过的好事：

The Lord's Resistance Army, a guerrilla army, was engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government in 2005. It has been accused of using child soldiers and of committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, and using forced child labourers as soldiers, porters, and sex slaves.[43][44] A quasi-religious movement that mixes some aspects of Christian beliefs with its own brand of spiritualism,[45][46] it is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the spokesperson of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the "Holy Spirit" which the Acholi believe can represent itself in many manifestations.[47][47][48][49] LRA fighters wear rosary beads and recite passages from the Bible before battle.

lychee

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-14 23:34
一个政权的开始、延续时间与方法基本上完全取决于权力的分布、约束，以及它的存在目的。

穆斯林的政权里 ...

呃。。基督信仰是怎么确保思想解放和文艺复兴的？？？

以我的印象文艺复兴是因为人文主义的兴起。。和宗教改革和启蒙运动应该差不多j时间。。
当时是因为人们开始对宗教束缚不满。。开始强调人的重要性。。也是人为主神为辅的兴起。。所以才有宗教改革。。所以才有今天脱离了天主教的基督教。。不然估计你们现在还都归教皇派遣呢。。
至于思想解放我记得你是说过和平年代比思想解放要重要吧。。那又怎么能说是基督信仰确保了思想解放呢？

你这么说就好像是说毛主席确保了中国的解放。。的确这是真正发生了的事情但是要明白如果当时没有他也会有另一个政党来做相同的事。。。

所以与其说宗教信仰确保了文艺复兴不如说文艺复兴延续了基督信仰。。

我对文艺复兴的理解基本源自于美术史。。所以哪里不恰当还请指出。。

爱情荒芜一片

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 20:30
不愿接受就不接受，反正没有基督徒会对你的无理与无礼发动人生恐吓。
穆斯林有可能，我建议你不要尝试。 ...

他们不敢招惹穆斯林的。。那些家伙可是暴徒。。只敢挑衅基督徒

鹬鸵圣者

lzhizhao 发表于 2015-9-15 20:36
你认为可兰经有权威性么，请问你怎么不相信可兰经?你说的圣经内容都是废话，证明不了任何东西，但是你们 ...

圣经里还有另一句话，是无可争议的真理。
那就是，好树不结坏果子，坏树不结好果子，凭着果实你就可以知道他们的优劣。

我引用一下一个用得太滥的事实。到现在为止，穆斯林只得过8次诺贝尔奖，并且6次是和平奖。伊斯兰的核心地区若不是因为石油，他们真的什么都没有。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 20:42
圣经里还有另一句话，是无可争议的真理。
那就是，好树不结坏果子，坏树不结好果子，凭着果实你就可以知 ...

你可知道，伊斯兰教也是你们圣经结下来的果子。

伊斯兰教的起源也是圣经的前5本律法。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 20:42
圣经里还有另一句话，是无可争议的真理。
那就是，好树不结坏果子，坏树不结好果子，凭着果实你就可以知 ...

我说的是：你们的圣经没有任何权威性。

我不管你谁的诺贝尔奖拿的多。拿得诺贝尔奖多说明了什么？

现在的科学家93%都是无神论者，未来几十年无神论者拿的诺贝尔奖会多过任何中教。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 20:42
圣经里还有另一句话，是无可争议的真理。
那就是，好树不结坏果子，坏树不结好果子，凭着果实你就可以知 ...

我们来看看圣经结下什么好果子：

基督系的天主教，基督教，东正教-反科学，强奸小男童，火烧妇女，发动无数战争
犹太教 - 反科学，对妇女性器官破坏，石刑，发动无数战争。

真的是，坏树不结好果子

lzhizhao

爱情荒芜一片 发表于 2015-9-15 20:42
他们不敢招惹穆斯林的。。那些家伙可是暴徒。。只敢挑衅基督徒

鹬鸵圣者

lychee 发表于 2015-9-15 20:41
呃。。基督信仰是怎么确保思想解放和文艺复兴的？？？

以我的印象文艺复兴是因为人文主义的兴起。。和宗 ...

这是一个相对复杂的问题，我尽量简化说一下。
在十四世纪以前，拉丁世界的顶层是贵族和教区管理的神职人员。下层社会分为市民、农民和佃户，其中佃户最穷苦。通常来说下层社会的人没有文化，也不会有机会晋级到上层。而贵族子弟则和神职人员的子弟互相交替，管控权力、知识和财富。

反对思想在十四世纪开始成形，他们的理由不一。

• 约翰-威格列夫，他的提倡是英国王权应该是绝对主权，政教分离，提倡英文读写圣经。
• 扬-胡斯，他提倡的是神职人员权力应该被削减到和平民一样，不给神职人员腐败的空间。
• 马丁-路德的运动最大。他不认可教宗的权威，认为经文本身足够解释信仰所需的一切，人和上帝之间不需要第三者。
• 约翰-诺克斯提倡经文的复查改革。删减天主教传统中非基督信仰成分的部分。
  

他们的共同点在于，除去神职人员的必需性，允许、并鼓励每个人自己去阅读、学习圣经以及其它书籍。北欧、中欧、大不列颠地区脱离了天主教后，也就成为了欧洲在后来的历史里最先强盛的国家。
马丁路德曾经有朋友阅读了他的写作后，感叹说：“基督世界在此之前都瞎了眼。” 正是因为耶稣死时，圣殿的帷幕在地震中一分为二，表现基督要将人与神之间的隔阂一次性消除。而唯独到了十六世纪，这个现象才真正出现在欧洲。

如果说不不清楚可以再问我，我有时间了就回复。

鹬鸵圣者

lzhizhao 发表于 2015-9-15 20:45
我说的是：你们的圣经没有任何权威性。

我不管你谁的诺贝尔奖拿的多。拿得诺贝尔奖多说明了什么？

如果你的数据没错，你会发现那剩下的 7% 会比你想象的厉害得多。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 21:01
这是一个相对复杂的问题，我尽量简化说一下。
在十四世纪以前，拉丁世界的顶层是贵族和教区管理的神职人 ...

所以啊，文艺复兴是反宗教活动。怎么在你口里就变成是你们伟大基督教徒发动了文艺复兴似的。看来你不单只把我们对你的批评当做荣耀，你们还把你们的愚昧当做荣耀，你们把你们压迫妇女权力当做荣耀，你们把支持奴隶制度和反抗改革当做荣耀。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 21:01
这是一个相对复杂的问题，我尽量简化说一下。
在十四世纪以前，拉丁世界的顶层是贵族和教区管理的神职人 ...

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-5 21:31
我发现你总是喜欢把穆斯林和基督徒混为一谈。

我能告诉你，穆斯林可能会因为你说的话，对你发起圣战。基 ...

你好不容易回来了，来，请你解析一下你们基督教为什么要杀害这么多非基督教徒：

Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
The Albigensians...viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (greatest single pre-nazi mass murderer) in 1209. Bezirs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbours and friends) 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]
After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324. [WW183]
Estimated one million victims (cathar heresy alone), [WW183]
Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]
John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]
University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 21:03
如果你的数据没错，你会发现那剩下的 7% 会比你想象的厉害得多。

证据。没证据我说你那7%会飞呢，还有，他们都是超人，个个都有超能力。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 21:01
这是一个相对复杂的问题，我尽量简化说一下。
在十四世纪以前，拉丁世界的顶层是贵族和教区管理的神职人 ...

“在意大利，文藝復興前期出現了「文藝復興三傑」。但丁·亞利基利一生寫下了許多學術著作和詩歌，其中著名的是《新生》和《神曲》。彼特拉克是人文主義的鼻祖，被譽為「人文主義之父」。他第一個發出復興古典文化的號召，提出以「人學」反對「神學」。彼特拉克主要創作了許多優美的詩篇，代表作是抒情十四行詩詩集《歌集》。薄伽丘是意大利民族文學的奠基者，短篇小說集《十日談》是他的代表作。”

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2015-9-15 21:01
这是一个相对复杂的问题，我尽量简化说一下。
在十四世纪以前，拉丁世界的顶层是贵族和教区管理的神职人 ...

“文艺复兴时期的作品當中，体现了人文主义思想：主张个性解放，反对中世纪的禁欲主义和宗教观；提倡科学文化，反对蒙昧主义，摆脱教会对人们思想的束缚；肯定人权，反对神权，摒弃作为神學和经院哲学基础的一切权威和传统教条；拥护中央集权，反对封建割据，这是人文主义的主要思想。其中，代表性作品有：但丁的《神曲》、薄伽丘的《十日谈》、马基维利的《君主论》、拉伯雷的《巨人传》、康帕内拉的《太阳城》等。

文艺复兴时期的艺术歌颂了人体的美，主张人体比例是世界上最和谐的比例，并把它应用到建筑上，虽然它们都是一系列的仍以宗教故事为主题的绘画和雕塑，但表现的都是普通人的场景，将神拉到了地上。

人文主义者开始用研究古典文学的方法研究《聖經》，将圣经翻译民族语言，导致了宗教改革运动的兴起。

人文主义歌颂世俗蔑视天堂，标榜理性以取代神启，肯定“人”是现世生活的创造者和享受者，要求文学艺术表现人的思想感情，科学为人谋福利，教育要发展人的个性，要求把人的思想感情和智慧从神学的束缚中解放出来。提倡个性自由，因此在历史发展上起了很大的进步作用。”