选择新西兰，上班族劳资纠纷系列---- May的案例分析，帮你了解劳动法

CNGBA

如果你是ERA的法官，你会做出什么样的判决呢？

   

CNGBA

以下信息来自被告公司的网站内容

Executive Recuriters International Limited是一家猎头公司，为客户公司招募“executive”！我看了看他们的Listing，不多！

被告老板的自我介绍：

Pierre le Noel – Director
Prior to developing his career in the Executive search sector, Pierre spent ten years in the manufacturing sector in a variety of marketing, operations and business management roles.

He has amassed over twenty years of experience in executive search and has successfully completed an array of assignments for local businesses through to Fortune 500 Companies.

Pierre has developed expertise in several fields including industrial, manufacturing, agribusiness, and business services. Pierre focuses on senior appointments in the disciplines of General Management and Sales & Marketing Management.

He holds a Bachelor of Arts Degree from Auckland University and has completed graduate studies in business. Pierre manages a busy schedule balancing professional and family responsibilities, with community and sporting interests.

Pierre is a member of the Institute of Directors.

千贺刀

楼主继续!!!!

bluepuppy

来赚SKD的，帮忙顶一下

CNGBA

5月18日的英文先驱报：南非移民Jacqueline Sydow 败诉了。

“The authority found that Ms Sydow was not dismissed by her employer and that she did not have a case for personal grievance.”  ---------  Ms Sydow had resigned freely, although unhappily, and did not have a claim of constructive dismissal.

“She was offered a $55,000 job on November 14, 2008, but within a week of starting work on January 19 last year was given a new contract dated January 18 which said she would be paid only on a commission basis。”
--------"There was a serious breach of the employment agreement ... in January 2009, when Mr Le Noel imposed the January 18 remuneration terms on Ms Sydow without obtaining her consent,"
-------- Ms Sydow worked on without protest or objection to those terms ... although initially in January 2009 she had expressed her dissatisfaction ... there was then a five-or-more-month period in which she did nothing to suggest she had not accepted the terms and conditions which provided for her remuneration to be on a commission-only basis."
-------- Although there was, I have found, a breach by the employer of the employment agreement in January 2009, no remedyhas been sought by way of penaltyagainst the employer ERI, or against Mr Le Noel."

The authority also found that Pierre Le Noel, whom she accused of blackmailing her into working for nothing, was not her employer and therefore had no liability as a party to her employment contract.

And he said of "critical importance" to the determination of the claim was "the subsequent conduct of the parties" between January and August. "In that time Mr Le Noel was given no reason by Ms Sydow to believe that she had not accepted the January 18 terms under which she received her remuneration,"

CNGBA

败诉原因初探：

1. 雇佣关系发生变化---- 老板于2009年一月份，将原来的employment agreement 变更为commission based,
2. 虽然法庭认为老板未经她的同意就单方面修改合同，严重违反合同法，但Jacqueline没有在当时就此提出反对，或在当时向ERA提起诉讼. 在此后的五个月里，她没有做任何事情以表示她对老板违反合同行为的抗议，或seek remedy。

CNGBA

作为雇员应该汲取的教训：

1. 维权意识：运用投诉、抱怨的方式表达你的意见 （向公司管理层投诉是第一步）
2. 取证：如果你对公司的某些做法不满，尽量采取书面投诉的方式，以获取证据。尽量保留书面证据，第三人证，如果有录音证据也可以。
3. 及时获取法律信息：如果遇到劳资纠纷的问题，应该尽早联系Department of Labour 或者一些免费的法律咨询机构，不要等问题恶化以致丧失时机。

{:7_359:}      too late!!!!               {:7_365:}

Kashima

   。集体学习。

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CNGBA

针对“constructive dismissal” 给打工族的几点忠告：

如果是被迫或无奈辞职，最好写一份书面的辞职信 ---- 在信中概述被迫辞职的原因，一定还要点明你的辞职并非自愿，而是无奈之举， 还要概述你为了解决问题所做的努力，之后给出 “I have no choice but to resign".的结论。

这样的辞职信于是就成为“constructive dismissal”的证据之一，同时也证明了员工遵循了解决劳资纠纷要求履行的程序和步骤。

----------- 选择新西兰 May


{:7_334:}   技巧啊！

yangki

和首都同胞的遭遇相同

http://bbs.skykiwi.com/viewthrea ... amp;extra=page%3D11

CNGBA

和首都同胞的遭遇相同

http://bbs.skykiwi.com/viewthread.php?tid=1353150&extra=page%3D11
yangki 发表于 2010-5-19 09:32

并不完全相同。"首都同胞”的雇佣关系在员工受聘期间没有改变，也没有签署另外的合同， “来自北京”如果采取法律行动，属于Wage arrears action。南非移民的案子，由于雇佣关系从2009年一月份后改变。

yangki

............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ worked on without protest or objection ......................................................
这就是你说的并不完全相同吗

yangki

干脆说败诉原因是。。。。。因为沒有找你作代表律师。。。。。如何

CNGBA

“worked on without protest or objection ” 这一点上，两个事主的做法是相似的，都没有及时投诉、抱怨。
但一个本质的区别是，“南非移民”是contractor, 而“来自北京”是employee. 这是南非移民案子败诉的根本原因。

GraphicDesign

1# CNGBA

广告帖！
saikit 发表于 2010-5-19 10:57

我覺得這帖子很好，很實用用啊。。。學習了。。。、

CNGBA

干脆说败诉原因是。。。。。因为沒有找你作代表律师。。。。。如何
yangki 发表于 2010-5-19 13:03

案件所涉及的事实和法律依据，不会因为代理的更换而变化。不同的代理可能从不同的法律角度为案件辩护，但基本事实是改变不了的。

Kashima

1# CNGBA

广告帖！
saikit 发表于 2010-5-19 10:57

打工族的论坛，给点这方面的信息，挺好的。

CNGBA

由于雇员在雇主单方面修改合同后“worked on without protest or objection ”， 法官在判决时明确指出：

“In doing so she lost the right to accept the repudiation of the 14 November terms by ending her employment within a reasonable period thereafter and invoking her remedies available under the Employment Relations Act. " ( ERA Determination)

因为雇员在此后的五六个月内都没有采取任何行动("a long period, five or more months"), "Ms Sydow by her conduct in this regard affirmed the breach."， 默认了雇主的行为，所以她失去了很好的机会。

The Labour Court distingusihed cases in which the employee has protested clearly to the employer, making the employer understand that the worker had neither accepted nor agreed to the unilateral changes. -------  一句话，要正式投诉，表达不满，这是雇员保护自己要遵循的程序。

baoyan

“worked on without protest or objection ” 这一点上，两个事主的做法是相似的，都没有及时投诉、抱怨。
但一个本质的区别是，“南非移民”是contractor, 而“来自北京”是employee. 这是南非移民案子败诉的根本 ...
CNGBA 发表于 2010-5-19 13:06

麻烦你解释一下为什么南非移民是“CONTRACTOR”导致了他直接败诉呢？

最好请引用判决书相关内容。

CNGBA

“After attending work for two or three days Ms Sydow was presented by Mr Le Noel with an employment agreement dated 18 January 2009. An express term of it was that remuneration would be way of commission only. This was clearly inconsistent with the offer made on 14 November 2008."

"Of critical importance to the determination of this personal grievance claim is the subsequent conduct of the parties over a period of five or more months "

"来自北京”的案子，我们不知道是否有第二个书面合同，而且他的工资时$10/小时，低于法定标准，所以如果他提出wage arrears, 是可以胜诉的。

CNGBA

跳槽惹来的劳资官司,老板胜诉,雇员被罚

原告: 雇主Provida Foods Limited （PFL）
被告：前雇员 Kevin Davidson & Crean Food Service (前雇员现就职公司)

Mr Davidson 从1983年起就在PFL 任职，熟知公司运作和相关的商业信息。2008年，Mr Davidson 接受了Crean 的聘请，到这家公司从事同样的工作。由于Crean和PEL 是行业竞争对手，所以他的前雇主把Mr Davidson和他的新雇主告上了法庭，理由是“breaching the restraint of trade provision”

判决结果：

1．Mr Davidson is ordered to pay PFL $1000 as a penalty for his breach of the restraint of trade provision
2．Crean is ordered to pay PFL $1000 as a penalty for aiding and abetting Mr Davidson’s breach of the restraint of trade provision.


    愿意提供更多此案详情，供老板族、打工族参考。

baoyan

麻烦你解释一下为什么南非移民是“CONTRACTOR”导致了他直接败诉呢？

最好请引用判决书相关内容。

CNGBA

麻烦你解释一下为什么南非移民是“CONTRACTOR”导致了他直接败诉呢？

最好请引用判决书相关内容。
baoyan 发表于 2010-5-20 12:35

"As Mr Le Noel was not the employer of Ms Sydow he has no liability as a party to her employment agreement. "

CNGBA

法官认为，如果当事人在2009年1月或2月提出诉讼，要求法庭强制雇主履行第一个合同，她是可以胜诉的。

”Had Ms Sydown in January or February 20098 applied for an order under 137 of the Act requiring ERI to comply with the 14 November 2008 terms of employment she could well have been successful in obtaining one."

TLizzy

跳槽惹来的劳资官司,老板胜诉,雇员被罚

原告: 雇主Provida Foods Limited （PFL）
被告：前雇员 Kevin Davidson & Crean Food Service (前雇员现就职公司)

Mr Davidson 从1983年起就在PFL 任职，熟知公司运作 ...
CNGBA 发表于 2010-5-20 12:30

是不是说如果跳槽的话，不能跳到对手公司做同样的工作？可新西兰那么小，大公司就那么几间，所有同行业的公司都可能是竞争对手。

CNGBA

雇主在合同条款中加入“restraint of trade" 必须有充足的理由，而且和雇员所从事的工作性质有关（技术、信息含量高，需要提供很多培训）。多数情况下，雇主不会使用这一条款，因为法庭只有在证据理由充分的情况下，才会支持此条款。没有法庭宣判，雇主自己是没有能力执行这一条款的。

CNGBA

如果你是雇主，合理恰当使用此条款，可以保护你的商业利益，避免对手公司挖墙脚，聘走你辛辛苦苦培养出来的员工，轻而易举地获得宝贵的商业信息、顾客资源等等。

yangki

“After attending work for two or three days Ms Sydow was presented by Mr Le Noel with an employment agreement dated 18 January 2009. An express term of it was that remuneration would be way of commission only. This was clearly inconsistent with the offer made on 14 November 2008."( m% J! D! ^$ \6 A* l6 @' D 3 ^. C5 E9 a+ w, ^* P$ @ "Of critical importance to the determination of this personal grievance claim is the subsequent conduct of the parties over a period of five or more months " "来自北京”的案子，我们不知道是否有第二个书面合同，而且他的工资时$10/小时，低于法定标准，所以如果他提出wage arrears, 是可以胜诉的。

CNGBA 发表于 2010-5-20 11:30

拜托, 俺在那个过河拆桥的帖子里已说得很清楚了, 首都同胞当时的工资$10/小时是否低于法定标准, 自己回去看看, 別又一次因为妖言惑衆被禁言了