为了生命的法律，为了死亡的宗教

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2014-6-21 22:23
Meyer 2009, Signature in the cell
还是一本不错的书，比较有深度，很针对基因的不可自然形成性。
你去 ...

你还是没有拿出证据，我建议你去去图书馆，里面有千万本书。

根据那千万本书，我说你的所谓真理都是屁话。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2014-6-21 22:27
人类能够找到的最简单的生命也比人类自己能创造的最复杂的机器复杂很多很多倍。
去外星找生命，比到外星 ...

还有，你说的那本书是个信基督的所谓“科学家”写的。在科学界称为笑谈，你就别献丑了。

鹬鸵圣者

lzhizhao 发表于 2014-6-21 22:32
还有，你说的那本书是个信基督的所谓“科学家”写的。在科学界称为笑谈，你就别献丑了。

信基督的科学家确实比不信的多，难道你想说他们写的东西都是笑谈？
你肯定没读过，就要定论了。

bintoo

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2014-6-21 22:27
人类能够找到的最简单的生命也比人类自己能创造的最复杂的机器复杂很多很多倍。
去外星找生命，比到外星 ...

生命的复杂程度，这段我完全同意， 但这比较只是和我们人创造的科技而已， 并非宇宙本身， 何况，即使科学，也不能够证明自然产生生命的机会为绝对的0, 即使是无限少，也是大于0, 这就足够是不可能和有可能的区别了。

无论在少的几率，只要基数够大， 任何有可能发生的事物，无论机会再微， 只要不是0, 有可能发生的必然会发生。

更何况是我们人类能感知以外的生命形态？ 例如纯能量体生命等

这其实说下去越扯越远，这都不是我想讨论的，我想知道，如果没我不信服与神创论， 那是否圣经的真理对于我来说就无意义了？

鹬鸵圣者

bintoo 发表于 2014-6-21 22:34
生命的复杂程度，这段我完全同意， 但这比较只是和我们人创造的科技而已， 并非宇宙本身， 何况，即使科学 ...

实践真理的人，总会受益。
即便理论上不支持真理。

这就好比在暗室品尝美食，固然味道同样好，却失去了品尝美食的一个重要环节，那就是欣赏。
耶稣也曾经针对言谈与行动的顺服讲过。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2014-6-21 22:34
信基督的科学家确实比不信的多，难道你想说他们写的东西都是笑谈？
你肯定没读过，就要定论了。

你能拿出一本支持你的书（而且这本书的可信度非常低），我可以拿出10证明所谓的神是虚构的书。

鹬鸵圣者

lzhizhao 发表于 2014-6-21 22:39
你能拿出一本支持你的书（而且这本书的可信度非常低），我可以拿出10证明所谓的神是虚构的书。

所以，我也同样重复你说的话，那些不过是支持无神论的伪科学家写的东西。他们支持的理论在前，科研在后。
再多也都是…… （后面就不重复你了）

bintoo

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2014-6-21 22:37
实践真理的人，总会受益。
即便理论上不支持真理。

这段我同意，

但我如果能走一条基督教以外的道路， 打个比喻，我喜欢佛学， 就领悟了一句”诸行无常“开始，我已经摆脱了我以往近三十年80%的烦恼， 让我和我家庭得到了同一物质条件下其他人或90%以上家庭没法达到的幸福感， 那按你的说法， 我是收益了， 那我是否在实践和体现真理？

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2014-6-21 22:40
所以，我也同样重复你说的话，那些不过是支持无神论的伪科学家写的东西。他们支持的理论在前，科研在后。 ...

well，要证明神存在的是你。burden of proof在你哪里，我只不过是指出了你所谓的证据并不是证据。就是你什么都没有证明。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2014-6-21 22:40
所以，我也同样重复你说的话，那些不过是支持无神论的伪科学家写的东西。他们支持的理论在前，科研在后。 ...

还有，你说的那本书：It was not reviewed by scientific journals or popular science magazines.[6]

就是他的一家之言。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2014-6-21 22:40
所以，我也同样重复你说的话，那些不过是支持无神论的伪科学家写的东西。他们支持的理论在前，科研在后。 ...

Stephen Fletcher, chemist at Loughborough University, responded in The Times Literary Supplement that Nagel was "promot[ing] the book to the rest of us using statements that are factually incorrect."[8] Fletcher explained that, "Natural selection is in fact a chemical process as well as a biological process, and it was operating for about half a billion years before the earliest cellular life forms appear in the fossil record."[8] In another publication, Fletcher wrote that "I am afraid that reality has overtaken Meyer’s book and its flawed reasoning" in pointing out scientific problems with Meyer's work by citing how RNA "survived and evolved into our own human protein-making factory, and continues to make our fingers and toes."[9]

Darrel Falk, co-president of the BioLogos Foundation and a biology professor at Point Loma Nazarene University, reviewed the book and used it as an example of why he does not support the intelligent design movement.[10] Falk wrote that the book contains many incorrect claims such as "Meyer correctly concluded that no RNA molecule had ever been evolved in a test tube which could do more than join two building blocks together."[10] Falk was critical of Meyer's declaration of scientists, such as Michael Lynch, being wrong without Meyer conducting any experiments to falsify the established work in the field.[10] Falk wrote, "the book is supposed to be a science book and the ID movement is purported to be primarily a scientific movement—not primarily a philosophical, religious, or even popular movement."[10]

Falk concluded, "If the object of the book is to show that the Intelligent Design movement is a scientific movement, it has not succeeded. In fact, what it has succeeded in showing is that it is a popular movement grounded primarily in the hopes and dreams of those in philosophy, in religion, and especially those in the general public."[10] In 2010 the BioLogos Foundation published Meyer's response to Falk. The response criticizes Falk's characterization of Meyer's credentials as well as the lack of any evidence from Falk that the premise of his book is faulty.[11]

The American Scientific Affiliation, a Christian organization of scientists and others, published a detailed analysis of the book's assertions by their executive director, physicist Randall Isaac. He concluded, "It is laudable that Meyer takes the step to explore predictions that ID would make. Predictions that are testable are a vital part of the scientific process. But just making a prediction isn’t sufficient to indicate viable science. Astrologers and tasseologists can also make predictions and sometimes they may be right. Predictions must also be based on causal factors that are understood independently to exist and whose adequacy can be independently verified. The predictions must clearly differentiate between competing hypotheses. It is unfortunate that this set of dozen predictions is very weak on all counts. It is unlikely to make any difference in the debate. These tend not to be definitive in terms of distinguishing between ID or non ID and will only extend the discussion."[5][6]

Steve Matheson, a developmental biologist at Calvin College (an institution of the Christian Reformed Church), wrote an analysis critical of the book.[6][12] In a post on The Panda's Thumb, Richard Hoppe concluded that the book failed to make a strong case for ID.[6]

鹬鸵圣者

bintoo 发表于 2014-6-21 22:42
这段我同意，

但我如果能走一条基督教以外的道路， 打个比喻，我喜欢佛学， 就领悟了一句”诸行无常“ ...

如果你把世界上最重要的几种思想放在同等高度比较。
只有基督信仰的核心人物，耶稣与超自然的造物主（哲学上的“原由”）挂钩。以约翰福音为中心，他自称是 “我本是我”。而其它信仰、思想的核心人物都只扮演导师、先知、战士一类人物。

鹬鸵圣者

lzhizhao 发表于 2014-6-21 22:44
还有，你说的那本书：It was not reviewed by scientific journals or popular science magazines.[6]

...

一家之言只要重的，胜过百家学说。
你也可以说圣经也只是一家之言，这就足够了。

鹬鸵圣者

lzhizhao 发表于 2014-6-21 22:45
Stephen Fletcher, chemist at Loughborough University, responded in The Times Literary Supplement t ...

我先问下，你粘贴的这些东西，你自己读懂了吗？
因为我常常发现你粘贴的东西驴唇不对马嘴哦。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2014-6-21 22:49
一家之言只要重的，胜过百家学说。
你也可以说圣经也只是一家之言，这就足够了。

我说：神是邪恶的。

一家之言只要重的，胜过百家学说。所以，神就是最邪恶的恶魔。

我说：你的宗教是被邪恶统治，对人类社会的危害远远多于好处

一家之言只要重的，胜过百家学说。

bintoo

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2014-6-21 22:47
如果你把世界上最重要的几种思想放在同等高度比较。
只有基督信仰的核心人物，耶稣与超自然的造物主（哲 ...

这我就不完全同意了， 这只是耶稣自己说自己是而已，他在生说到， 就如你说的， 离不开人类社会。

反而如佛陀，老子一类的人物，道出了远远大于人类体系的知识， 却完全不自称为神，反而一再强调自己只是人，这更让我信服。

不过无论如何， 我不是要和你争辩信仰， 谁是真理之类的， 我想我已经得到想要的答案了， 谢谢你耐心的回答，虽然耶稣的“真理”在这阶段完全不能让我信服， 但我还是有了更深入了解， 谢谢了

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2014-6-21 22:51
我先问下，你粘贴的这些东西，你自己读懂了吗？
因为我常常发现你粘贴的东西驴唇不对马嘴哦。

我问你，圣经里懂了么？圣经里面驴唇不对马嘴的东西非常多。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2014-6-21 22:51
我先问下，你粘贴的这些东西，你自己读懂了吗？
因为我常常发现你粘贴的东西驴唇不对马嘴哦。

圣经的驴唇不对马嘴处，这只是列表的一小部分：

GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.

GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.

GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.

GE 1:26 Man is to have dominion over fish, birds, cattle, and all wild animals, yet--
GE 2:15-17 It is wrong to be able to tell good from evil, right from wrong.

GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.

GE 1:28 God encourages reproduction.
LE 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)

GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience as well as with the fact that God allegedly does not change his mind: NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17.)

GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25 God was already known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) much earlier than the time of Moses.
EX 6:2-3 God was first known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian Bondage, during the life of Moses.

GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.

GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.
HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil.

GE 4:4-5 God prefers Abel's offering and has no regard for Cain's.
2CH 19:7, AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.

GE 4:9 God asks Cain where his brother Able is.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.

GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.
GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

GE 4:16 Cain went away (or out) from the presence of the Lord.
JE 23:23-24 A man cannot hide from God. God fills heaven and earth.

GE 6:4 There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood.
GE 7:21 All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood.
NU 13:33 There were Nephilim after the Flood.

GE 6:6. EX 32:14, NU 14:20, 1SA 15:35, 2SA 24:16 God does change his mind.
NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17 God does not change his mind.

GE 6:19-22, 7:8-9, 7:14-16 Two of each kind are to be taken, and are taken, aboard Noah's Ark.
GE 7:2-5 Seven pairs of some kinds are to be taken (and are taken) aboard the Ark.

GE 7:1 Noah was righteous.
JB 1:1,8, JB 2:3 Job was righteous.
LK 1:6 Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous.
JA 5:16 Some men are righteous, (which makes their prayers effective).
1JN 3:6-9 Christians become righteous (or else they are not really Christians).
RO 3:10, 3:23, 1JN 1:8-10 No one was or is righteous.

GE 7:7 Noah and his clan enter the Ark.
GE 7:13 They enter the Ark (again?).

GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
PR 6:16-19 God hates anyone who sows discord.

GE 11:9 At Babel, the Lord confused the language of the whole world.
1CO 14:33 Paul says that God is not the author of confusion.

GE 11:12 Arpachshad [Arphaxad] was the father of Shelah.
LK 3:35-36 Cainan was the father of Shelah. Arpachshad was the grandfather of Shelah.

GE 11:26 Terah was 70 years old when his son Abram was born.
GE 11:32 Terah was 205 years old when he died (making Abram 135 at the time).
GE 12:4, AC 7:4 Abram was 75 when he left Haran. This was after Terah died. Thus, Terah could have been no more than 145 when he died; or Abram was only 75 years old after he had lived 135 years.

GE 12:7, 17:1, 18:1, 26:2, 32:30, EX 3:16, 6:2-3, 24:9-11, 33:11, NU 12:7-8, 14:14, JB 42:5, AM 7:7-8, 9:1 God is seen.
EX 33:20, JN 1:18, 1JN 4:12 God is not seen. No one can see God's face and live. No one has ever seen him.

GE 10:5, 20, 31 There were many languages before the Tower of Babel.
GE 11:1 There was only one language before the Tower of Babel.

GE 15:9, EX 20:24, 29:10-42, LE 1:1-7:38, NU 28:1-29:40, God details sacrificial offerings.
JE 7:21-22 God says he did no such thing.

GE 16:15, 21:1-3, GA 4:22 Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac.
HE 11:17 Abraham had only one son.

GE 17:1, 35:11, 1CH 29:11-12, LK 1:37 God is omnipotent. Nothing is impossible with (or for) God.
JG 1:19 Although God was with Judah, together they could not defeat the plainsmen because the latter had iron chariots.

GE 17:7, 10-11 The covenant of circumcision is to be everlasting.
GA 6:15 It is of no consequence.

GE 17:8 God promises Abraham the land of Canaan as an "everlasting possession."
GE 25:8, AC 7:2-5, HE 11:13 Abraham died with the promise unfulfilled.

GE 17:15-16, 20:11-12, 22:17 Abraham and his half sister, Sarai, are married and receive God's blessings.
LE 20:17, DT 27:20-23 Incest is wrong.

GE 18:20-21 God decides to "go down" to see what is going on.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.

GE 19:30-38 While he is drunk, Lot's two daughters "lie with him," become pregnant, and give birth to his offspring.
2PE 2:7 Lot was "just" and "righteous."

GE 22:1-12, DT 8:2 God tempts (tests) Abraham and Moses.
JG 2:22 God himself says that he does test (tempt).
1CO 10:13 Paul says that God controls the extent of our temptations.
JA 1:13 God tests (tempts) no one.

GE 27:28 "May God give you ... an abundance of grain and new wine."
DT 7:13 If they follow his commandments, God will bless the fruit of their wine.
PS 104:15 God gives us wine to gladden the heart.
JE 13:12 "... every bottle shall be filled with wine."
JN 2:1-11 According to the author of John, Jesus' first miracle was turning water to wine.
RO 14:21 It is good to refrain from drinking wine.

GE 35:10 God says Jacob is to be called Jacob no longer; henceforth his name is Israel.
GE 46:2 At a later time, God himself uses the name Jacob.

GE 36:11 The sons of Eliphaz were Teman, Omar, Zepho, Gatam, and Kenaz.
GE 36:15-16 Teman, Omar, Zepho, Kenaz.
1CH 1:35-36 Teman, Omar, Zephi, Gatam, Kenaz, Timna, and Amalek.

GE 49:2-28 The fathers of the twelve tribes of Israel are: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Zebulun, Issachar, Dan, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Joseph, and Benjamin.
RE 7:4-8 (Leaves out the tribe of Dan, but adds Manasseh.)

GE 50:13 Jacob was buried in a cave at Machpelah bought from Ephron the Hittite.
AC 7:15-16 He was buried in the sepulchre at Shechem, bought from the sons of Hamor.

EX 3:1 Jethro was the father-in-law of Moses.
NU 10:29, JG 4:11 (KJV) Hobab was the father-in-law of Moses.

EX 3:20-22, DT 20:13-17 God instructs the Israelites to despoil the Egyptians, to plunder their enemies.
EX 20:15, 17, LE 19:13 God prohibits stealing, defrauding, or robbing a neighbor.

EX 4:11 God decides who will be dumb, deaf, blind, etc.
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is a god of love.

EX 9:3-6 God destroys all the cattle (including horses) belonging to the Egyptians.
EX 9:9-11 The people and the cattle are afflicted with boils.
EX 12:12, 29 All the first-born of the cattle of the Egyptians are destroyed.
EX 14:9 After having all their cattle destroyed, then afflicted with boils, and then their first-born cattle destroyed, the Egyptians pursue Moses on horseback.

EX 12:13 The Israelites have to mark their houses with blood in order for God to see which houses they occupy and "pass over" them.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from God.

EX 12:37, NU 1:45-46 The number of men of military age who take part in the Exodus is given as more than 600,000. Allowing for women, children, and older men would probably mean that a total of about 2,000,000 Israelites left Egypt.
1KI 20:15 All the Israelites, including children, number only 7000 at a later time.

EX 15:3, 17:16, NU 25:4, 32:14, IS 42:13 God is a man of war--he is fierce and angry.
RO 15:33, 2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is a god of love and peace.

EX 20:1-17 God gave the law directly to Moses (without using an intermediary).
GA 3:19 The law was ordained through angels by a mediator (an intermediary).

EX 20:4 God prohibits the making of any graven images whatsoever.
EX 25:18 God enjoins the making of two graven images.

EX 20:5, 34:7, NU 14:18, DT 5:9, IS 14:21-22 Children are to suffer for their parent's sins.
DT 24:16, EZ 18:19-20 Children are not to suffer for their parent's sins.

EX 20:8-11, 31:15-17, 35:1-3 No work is to be done on the Sabbath, not even lighting a fire. The commandment is permanent, and death is required for infractions.
MK 2:27-28 Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath (after his disciples were criticized for breaking the Sabbath).
RO 14:5, CN 2:14-16 Paul says the Sabbath commandment was temporary, and to decide for yourself regarding its observance.

EX 20:12, DT 5:16, MT 15:4, 19:19, MK 7:10, 10:19, LK 18:20 Honor your father and your mother is one of the ten commandments. It is reinforced by Jesus.
MT 10:35-37, LK 12:51-53, 14:26 Jesus says that he has come to divide families; that a man's foes will be those of his own household; that you must hate your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, and even your own life to be a disciple.
MT 23:9 Jesus says to call no man on earth your father.

EX 20:13, DT 5:17, MK 10:19, LK 18:20, RO 13:9, JA 2:11 God prohibits killing.
GE 34:1-35:5 God condones trickery and killing.
EX 32:27, DT 7:2, 13:15, 20:1-18 God orders killing.
2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord slaughters 185,000 men.
(Note: See Atrocities section for many more examples.)

EX 20:14 God prohibits adultery.
HO 1:2 God instructs Hosea to "take a wife of harlotry."

EX 21:23-25, LE 24:20, DT 19:21 A life for a life, an eye for an eye, etc.
MT 5:38-44, LK 6:27-29 Turn the other cheek. Love your enemies.

鹬鸵圣者

lzhizhao 发表于 2014-6-21 22:53
我问你，圣经里懂了么？圣经里面驴唇不对马嘴的东西非常多。

请举例，我愿意听你说说。

htc9527a

lychee 发表于 2014-6-21 21:07
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鹬鸵圣者

bintoo 发表于 2014-6-21 22:52
这我就不完全同意了， 这只是耶稣自己说自己是而已，他在生说到， 就如你说的， 离不开人类社会。

反而 ...

你可以自己想象一下，万物之源上帝，落到人间应该是什么样的呢？

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2014-6-21 22:55
请举例，我愿意听你说说。

例子还不够啊：

JN 17:12 Mentions a "son of perdition" as appearing in scripture (meaning the OT).
(Note: There is no "son of perdition" mentioned in the OT.)

JN 18:37 Jesus came into the world to bear witness to the truth.
RO 1:18-20 The truth has always been evident.

JN 20:9 Jesus quotes a statement that he says appears in scripture (meaning the OT). (No such statement is found in the OT.)

JN 20:22 In his first resurrection appearance before the assembled disciples, Jesus gives them the Holy Spirit.
AC 1:3-5, AC 2:1-4 The Holy Spirit was received much later (on Pentecost.)

JN 21:25 The world probably could not contain the books if all that Jesus did were to be written.
AC 1:1 The author of Acts has already written about all that Jesus began to do.

AC 5:19, 12:6-11 The disciples take part in a jailbreak made possible by an angel.
AC 5:40-42 The disciples disobey the Council and continue to teach and preach Jesus.
RO 13:1-4, 1PE 2:13-15 Obey the laws of men (i.e., government). It is the will of God.

AC 5:29 Obey God, not men.
RO 13:1-4, 1PE 2:13-15 Obey the laws of men (i.e., government). It is the will of God.

AC 9:7 Those present at Paul's conversion heard the voice but saw no one.
AC 22:9 They saw a light but did not hear a voice.

AC 9:7 Those present at Paul's conversion stood.
AC 26:14 They fell to the ground.

AC 9:19-28 Shortly after his conversion, Paul went to Damascus, then Jerusalem where he was introduced to the Apostles by Barnabas, and there spent some time with them (going in and out among them).
GA 1:15-20 He made the trip three years later, then saw only Peter and James.

AC 9:23 The governor attempted to seize Paul.
2CO 11:32 It was the Jews who tried to seize Paul.

AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.
RO 9:11-13 God hated Esau and loved Jacob even before their birth.

AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.
RO 9:18 God has mercy on whoever he chooses, etc.

AC 16:6 The Holy Spirit forbids preaching in Asia.
AC 19:8-10 Paul preaches in Asia anyway.

AC 20:35 Quotes Jesus as having said: "It is more blessed to give than to receive." (No such statement of Jesus is found elsewhere in the Bible.)

RO 2:12 All who have sinned without the law will perish without the law.
RO 4:15 Where there is no law there is no transgression (sin).

RO 2:13 Doers of the law will be justified.
RO 3:20, GA 3:11 They will not be justified.

RO 2:15 The law is written on the heart. Conscience teaches right from wrong.
1JN 2:27 Anointing by Jesus teaches right from wrong.

RO 4:9 Faith was reckoned to Abraham as righteousness.
JA 2:21 Abraham was justified by works (which made his faith perfect).

RO 10:11 (An alleged OT quote; no such statement in the OT.)

RO 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor anything that might cause your brother to stumble or be offended.
CN 2:16 Let no one pass judgement on you in matters of food and drink.

1CO 7:8-9 Widows should not marry (although it is better to marry than burn).
1TI 5:14 Young widows should marry, bear children, rule the household, etc..

1CO 8:4 There is only one God.
2CO 4:4 Satan is God of this world (therefore there are at least two gods).

1CO 10:33 Paul says that he tries to please men (so they might be saved).
GA 1:10 Paul says he would not be a servant of Christ if he tried to please men.

2CO 12:16 Paul says that he does use trickery.
1TH 2:3 Paul says that he does not use trickery.

GA 6:2 Bear one another's burdens.
GA 6:5 Bear your own burden.

1TH 2:2 God gave Paul the courage to continue his work.
1TH 2:17-18 Satan hindered Paul.
(Note: Who is stronger, Satan or God?)

1TI 1:15 Paul says that he is the foremost of sinners.
1JN 3:8-10 He who commits sin is of the Devil. Children of God do not sin.

1TI 6:20, 2TI 2:14-16, 3:1-7 Do not argue with an unbeliever.
2JN 1:10-11 Anyone who even greets an unbeliever shares his wicked work.
CN 4:5-6 Be wise in your behavior with outsiders. Let your talk be with grace, mixed with salt, so that you may be able to give an answer to everyone.
1PE 3:15 Always be ready to answer any man concerning your faith.

JA 4:5 (Quotes an alleged OT scripture verse not found in the OT.)

RE 8:7 All of the grass on earth is burned up, and then ...
RE 9:4 An army of locusts, which is about to be turned loose on the earth, is instructed not to harm the grass.

鹬鸵圣者

lzhizhao 发表于 2014-6-21 22:52
我说：神是邪恶的。

一家之言只要重的，胜过百家学说。所以，神就是最邪恶的恶魔。

你如果坚持说上两千年，或许会有几个人跟随你。

鹬鸵圣者

lzhizhao 发表于 2014-6-21 22:56
例子还不够啊：

JN 17:12 Mentions a "son of perdition" as appearing in scripture (meaning the OT ...

你举的例子只是互相印证呀，也没有矛盾。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2014-6-21 22:58
你举的例子只是互相印证呀，也没有矛盾。

你的逻辑还真独特。我觉得除了你没有其他人是这样认为的。

鹬鸵圣者

lzhizhao 发表于 2014-6-21 22:58
你的逻辑还真独特。我觉得除了你没有其他人是这样认为的。

你自己读读嘛，我都不知道你怎么找的。
如果我是你，我可能会去找一些列王记与历代志的差异来和我自己辩论下。

可是你自己找的这些没有一点矛盾。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2014-6-21 22:57
你如果坚持说上两千年，或许会有几个人跟随你。

所以，你的意思是一句话说得多了就是真理？在你眼里什么是真理？你怎么知道你定义真理的方法是正确的？

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2014-6-21 23:00
你自己读读嘛，我都不知道你怎么找的。
如果我是你，我可能会去找一些列王记与历代志的差异来和我自己辩 ...

我怎么读都觉得圣经非常矛盾。

lzhizhao

鹬鸵圣者 发表于 2014-6-21 23:00
你自己读读嘛，我都不知道你怎么找的。
如果我是你，我可能会去找一些列王记与历代志的差异来和我自己辩 ...

你读的所谓“书”我是不屑一顾的，就跟你一样。

鹬鸵圣者

lzhizhao 发表于 2014-6-21 22:58
你的逻辑还真独特。我觉得除了你没有其他人是这样认为的。

你如果有兴趣，欢迎和我一起来查经。
如果你拒绝，只能说明你对圣经的了解，目的只是追名逐利，并非学习态度。