选择新西兰，上班族劳资纠纷系列---- May的案例分析，帮你了解劳动法

yangki

举例说明：什么是“建设性辞职”（constructive dismissal）


主：PIZZA FRESCO (downtown Auckland) --- Zhao & Dai Limited
雇员：Christian Bergmen-Lyonh

2008年9月， Christian辞去了他在PIZZA FRESCO的 ...
CNGBA 发表于 2010-5-13 15:12

。。。。。在不知情的情况下给了他两个书面警告。。。。谁说了算, 怎样证明知情的情况下或不知情的情況下

CNGBA

在这个案子里“不知情”是指雇员在没有经过任何程序（通知、讨论或开会）的情况下，直接收到书面警告，他觉得很突然，因为老板从来没有正式提起过警告涉及的问题。

yangki

两个书面警告。。。。。
在第一个书面警告的时后, 雇员为何不提出抗辩,  不提出抗辩就是承认警告属实.
有沒有 通知、讨论警告涉及的问题。。只有天知, 地知

Kashima

HOSTAGE

有一个问题，我的一个朋友找了份工，没打税的那种。施工期是1周。后来工作结束后老板不付工资，因为她在工作中出了事故，对方客户要求赔偿（事实朋友也知道自己搞砸了，的确该赔偿）。客户要求的赔付要3倍大于她的工资。可是她还同时服务了另外一个客户（没出事故），她的所有工钱都被老板扣住了。请问这样该怎么办？

CNGBA

很容易解决。请拨打0800 20 90 20，请Labour inspector出面要回所有的工资。

如果老板想要她赔偿，可以单独提出索赔要求，如果是员工的责任，只要员工愿意承担，双方可以达成协议，或由有关部门仲裁。 但老板不可以不经过雇员的书面同意，直接扣工资。至于雇员没有交税，是老板的责任。如果IRD追究责任，也是找老板要PAYE。

CNGBA

两个书面警告。。。。。
在第一个书面警告的时后, 雇员为何不提出抗辩,  不提出抗辩就是承认警告属实.
有沒有 通知、讨论警告涉及的问题。。只有天知, 地知
yangki 发表于 2010-5-13 17:30

Determination
[19] The allegations made in those two warnings had not been put to him for
comment and explanation. In his written witness statement and answers to questions at the investigation meeting Mr Bregmen-Lyon set out some of the information that the company would have needed to consider in relation to those allegations. However it had never asked him for that information or explanations before issuing the warnings. Consequently they are unjustified.

许多雇主对管理公司从法律程序上缺少基本的认识，所以当然不会遵从法律程序，而这恰恰是新西兰的劳工法要求雇主必须做到的。

Don't take legal advise, then make legal mistakes. Oops!!
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CNGBA

Lots of companies get themselves into trouble regularly because they don’t follow a good process and end up in either mediation or the employment court and find themselves in the wrong because the process they followed was deemed to be unfair to the employee.

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yangki

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comment and explanation. In his written witness statement and answers to questions at the investigation meeting Mr Bregmen-Lyon set out some of the information that the company would have needed to consider in relation to those allegations. However it had never asked him for that information or explanations before issuing the warnings. Consequently they are unjustified.4 L-

CNGBA 发表于 2010-5-13 21:15

怎么证明雇主在发书面警告之前是沒有与该雇员提及或讨论事件, 或作出过口头警告呢??? 正所谓口讲无凭。。。。。。。

CNGBA

以上的判决是法官在“investigation”的基础上做出的裁定，相信雇主如果遵从了法律程序，一定会给法官提出相应的证据。法官做出这样的判决，只能说明雇主没有证据，或是所提供的证据不被采纳。

在案件审理的过程中，法官有权力对当事人出具的证据做判断或取舍。

CNGBA

来自法官的信息-------- 对雇主很有警示意义！

Mr Bregment-Lyon did not have a written employment agreement but had the benefit of an implied term of mutual trust, confidence and fair dealing. It was a breach of that term to change his role and hours and unfairly issue him with written warnings. In such circumstances it was reasonably foreseeable that he would resign.

yangki

以上的判决是法官在“investigation”的基础上做出的裁定，相信雇主如果遵从了法律程序，一定会给法官提出相应的证据。法官做出这样的判决，只能说明雇主没有证据，或是所提供的证据不被采纳。

在案件审理的过程中 ...
CNGBA 发表于 2010-5-13 22:43

又一次证明, 在新西兰, 只要是华人(或其他有肤色民族)与洋人打官司, 法官都是偏帮洋人的

CNGBA

你的说法太偏激，缺乏事实依据。法庭是根据事实，按照法律规定来判决，我不认为和原告被告的肤色有任何关系。

我可以给你另外一个例子-----中国雇员胜诉洋人老板。

一个普普通通的咖啡厅女服务员，做的是“cash" 工，没有劳动合同，照样告倒她的洋人老板。

CNGBA

雇主：New Deli & Café（372 Rosedale Road, Albany, Auckland）
雇员：Chiu女士（来自台湾）

Chiu女士从2007年2月 起在New Deli & Café 当服务员。她做的是Cash 工，每周的工资由老板放在信封里交给她。在她受聘期间，老板没有为她打税。{:6_289:}

2007年7月二十多号，Chiu女士在聊天时告诉同事Ms Megawaty她怀孕了（Ms Megawaty的男友是咖啡馆老板）。

8月30日，Chiu女士收到了老板Mr John White签署的解雇信。毫无理由就被解雇，Chiu女士一纸诉状把老板告上了法庭。

Chiu女士的陈述中包括这样一条：由于老板没有为她打税，致使她无法申请Parental & Maternity Leave. (IRD没有她的PAYE记录)。{:6_308:}


法庭调查时，雇主辨称没有支付PAYE是因为管理上的失误造成的。法庭还认为，雇主在电脑上伪造了工资记录。{:6_290:}

CNGBA

Chiu女士向法庭出具了二十多个写有她名字的信封，这些信封作为证据被采纳。同时Chiu女士还出示了她的银行存款记录，用以证明她的工资收入。

雇主向法庭解释说，解雇Chiu女士是因为怀疑“her right to work in New Zealand”。Chiu女士认为“the employers’ real concern was tax related.”。

最后法庭判决雇主支付Chiu女士：

$1386.27   Annual holiday pay (plus 6% interest from 30 August until paid in full)
$8262.80   Lost wages for three months (plus 6% interest)
$8000        Compensation for hurt feelings, humiliation and distress
$4619.27   Compensation for loss of chance to apply for paid maternity leave     

   

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newmjlp

wow，这系列好有看头，请继续写下去！

CNGBA

打工族的宽心丸：Not You！！！

Under the Tax Administration Act 1994 at s 143, an offence is
committed by an employer who fails to deduct PAYE from salary or wages and who fails to remit those deductions when required to the Department.

hungugu

举例说明：什么是“建设性辞职”（constructive dismissal）


主：PIZZA FRESCO (downtown Auckland) --- Zhao & Dai Limited
雇员：Christian Bergmen-Lyonh

2008年9月， Christian辞去了他在PIZZA FRESCO的 ...
CNGBA 发表于 2010-5-13 15:12

constructive dismissal翻译成建设性辞职有点让人误解……


可能叫"有预谋渐进式炒鱿鱼"好点。。哈哈

我是怎么了

我有个问题，有关“Redundancy", 如果公司真的请不起这一个人，是否还要跟员工商量：你是否愿意被Redundancy? 解雇了这个人也不会请第二个回来了。是不是赔偿了员工的“Redundancy“，就算是结束了？

还有小时缩减的问题：如果老板有一天跟你说由于公司的内部调动，你FULL TIME变成了PART TIME，如果你不同意，是否还是可以告老板？

CNGBA

我有个问题，有关“Redundancy", 如果公司真的请不起这一个人，是否还要跟员工商量：你是否愿意被Redundancy? 解雇了这个人也不会请第二个回来了。是不是赔偿了员工的“Redundancy“，就算是结束了？

还有小时缩减 ...
我是怎么了 发表于 2010-5-14 20:13

“真的请不起这个人”，说明裁员的动机是真实的，但要向员工解释清楚，做好安抚工作，同时可以和员工协商“Redundancy payment”，这样处理后，一般都不会再出问题。

只要是出于真实的经营困难，理由充分，员工的工作时间当然可以削减。

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猪猪和妍妍

哦 是这样啊~！谢谢

CNGBA

constructive dismissal翻译成建设性辞职有点让人误解……


可能叫"有预谋渐进式炒鱿鱼"好点。。哈哈
hungugu 发表于 2010-5-14 19:55

经典！谢谢指教！“有预谋渐进式炒鱿鱼”的几种情况：

There are three categories of circumstance which amount to constructive dismissal.
(i) An employer gives an employee a choice between resigning or being dismissed;
(ii) An employer has followed a course of action with the deliberate and dominant   purpose of coercing an employee to resign;
(iii) A breach of duty by the employer causing the employee to resign.

--------- May

yangki

你的说法太偏激，缺乏事实依据。法庭是根据事实，按照法律规定来判决，我不认为和原告被告的肤色有任何关系。

我可以给你另外一个例子-----中国雇员胜诉洋人老板。

一个普普通通的咖啡厅女服务员，做的是“cas ...
CNGBA 发表于 2010-5-14 13:56

当然, 若明显的事实, 足夠的证据, 自然按照法律规定来判决, 法官不用作決定, 只是依例裁決, 不论他的心情如何......  但当双方证据不足, 无棱两可, 处於黑与白之间........... 由法官作決定的时后, 结果就不一样了....................
不是偏激, 是见多了, 见惯了.....

CNGBA

当然, 若明显的事实, 足夠的证据, 自然按照法律规定来判决, 法官不用作決定, 只是依例裁決, 不论他的心情如何......  但当双方证据不足, 无棱两可, 处於黑与白之间........... 由法官作決定的时后, 结果就不一样了.. ...
yangki 发表于 2010-5-15 08:56

可能你的经历的确给了你这样的感觉，我完全理解。一个人对某个事物的看法、评价，绝对和个人的经历密切相关。

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116# CNGBA

sunnycoast

在读高中的时候，去CAFE点打工，也是很黑啊。但是当时也是为了长见识去的。后来工作时间变得太不稳定，也就没再去了。这段时间泡CAFE功夫没学习多少，但是更是学习了打工的辛苦，碰到这类不合法的更是情难以康。

现在不怕了。谢谢楼主。很强的爆料咨询。非常有帮助。

CNGBA

南非移民状告老板勒索 ---- 是买Job Offer 还是被勒索做奴隶工？

据今天的英文先驱报报道， 一位来自南非的移民将她的雇主 Excecutive Recuriters International Limited 告上了劳动仲裁法庭（Employment Relations Authority）。

来自南非的Jadqueline Sydow 声称被雇主勒索，因为她的雇主要求她自己支付工资并交税. 她的雇主Mr Le Noel 否认她的说法，声称Jacdqueline 同意这样的安排，他们之间有协议。

此案目前正在ERA进行审理，届时我会将判决的全部内容在网上公布，供大家参考。

CNGBA

Migrant felt boss was blackmailing herAn immigrant who was offered a job with a $55,000 salary says she was shocked when her employer allegedly asked her to pay her own taxes and wages in order to stay legally in New Zealand, an employment court has heard.
Jacqueline Sydow, originally from South Africa, has taken her employers Pierre Le Noel and Executive Recruiters International Limited to the Employment Relations Authority for allegedly making her obtain New Zealand permanent residency by fraudulent means.
She said she was asked to pay the company so that it can pay her, in order to deceive Immigration officials into thinking that she was being employed at $55,000, as an associate consultant which was the minimum salary for her to meet skilled migration requirements. Ms Sydow's employers are denying the allegations and Mr le Noel claims she had full knowledge and was in agreement of the arrangement between them.
"I felt like I was being blackmailed by Pierre into working for nothing on the basis that he held all the power in respect of my PR application. Having contacted Immigration New Zealand, I knew that leaving this job would severely limit my options and may result in me having to leave the country," Ms Sydow told the court.
"Pierre then went on to suggest that I make a payment to the company equivalent to my gross salary each month, and then the company would pay me my net salary, with the balance going to IRD for PAYE. This was to happen each month going forward. Effectively I would not only be unpaid during this time, but I would also be paying my own tax from my savings."
Ms Sydow came to New Zealand on a visitor's permit in September 2008, and came in contact with Mr le Noel after responding to a job vacancy advertisement placed by the company for a research associate.
She obtained a work permit with the $55,000 job offer, and started work on January 19 last year.
But within a week after she commenced working, the employer gave her a new contract - dated January 18 - which stated that she would be paid by commission only. "I was shocked to say the least ... I took the contract away but did not feel at all comfortable signing it because it would have meant my immigration application would have been made on false grounds."
According to court documents, she was paid for four months, between February and May last year and then received only commission thereafter.
Mr le Noel said in his brief of evidence that Ms Sydow "understood" and "was agreeable" to work on that basis.
"I did not consider that her employment conditions had changed substantively and was very mindful that she very much wished, and in fact needed, employment to continue her residency," he said.
"At the point that Jacqueline started work ... we had to alter the original offer or not employ her at all ... she indicated that she understood this and accepted the different terms of employment and those terms were the only terms she worked under until her employment ended."