我的工作經驗談-如何加薪跟跳槽

Lilac

看晚了。。。。。

楼主写得真的非常好，非常用心！也对刚开始工作的人有很大帮助～！
觉得你的心态很好～～～ 也许是因为这里长大的吧～比较懂得如何跟洋人打交道，让他们重用。 工作的确有时候不是只靠实力，也要靠性格跟人际关系，能让上司喜欢又能担当起责任的，一定都会加薪很快的。职场技能是门学问啊～～～

Lilac

想问下，lz觉得一般做到什么程度才是跳槽的最好时机？

花天堂

原帖由 Lilac 于 2008-2-13 22:59 发表
想问下，lz觉得一般做到什么程度才是跳槽的最好时机？

主要的就是一份工作一定要做滿1年以上才跳槽, 未滿1年跳槽, 下一個公司老闆都不敢請你了.

其他的就是看個人在這個公司是否還有能學的, 如果沒有能學的, 或是發現自己不適合, 就不要眷戀薪水辭職吧! 不要因為下一份工作還沒有找到不敢辭職, 這樣會很痛苦的, 志氣要高點.

另外就是跳槽以後選擇的公司, 最好跟之前的有些不同但是又不能完全不同, 如果選擇的恰當, 這些工作經驗會是你薪水加高的籌碼而不是拖油瓶.

例如, 我剛開始做的時候是site engineer, 後來是design engineer(design engineer通常對工地概念不是很多, 我在工地的實務經驗能派上用場), 再後來是supplier engineer(supplier engineer需要知道工地的情況, 也需要知道設計時候會出現的問題), 現在是project manager(都要知道一些), 每一份工作能順利拿到並且加薪都是因為之前的工作努力, 跟之前的老闆滿意我的表現給我的reference很好所以第二份工作才能順利拿到好薪水... 切記切記...

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FayLong

如果你跟任何人有連絡或是電話上達成協議, 最好是寫以下這個email給對方, 說: Hi xxx, as discussed on the phone, we shall proceed with xxx and disregard xxx, thank you for your time and have a great day” 並且將這個email放在檔案夾內
以免將來如果對方反悔, 說沒有這回事.

同意楼主的这一点。我在的公司是本地各大洋人超市的供货商，Foodstuffs 的会计部门会反反复复的要copy of invoice and POD (Proof of Delivery). 最可靠的方法是scan invoice 再发给他们，不然他们永远都说没有收到传真或者信件，或是说传真机有问题拉。如果是email to them, 你可以找到当时的电邮，再传给他们。而且非常有“礼貌”的提醒他们，某年某月某时我们给你们发了。。。当对方回复并且道歉后，感觉还蛮爽的，哈哈。但是接下来就是无尽的等待对方的payment.......

Mr.xxx

请问这里哪里能够定做西装和衬衫

花天堂

原帖由 Mr.xxx 于 2008-2-14 03:23 发表
请问这里哪里能够定做西装和衬衫

SAKS @ Broadway, but they are very dare, might cost you an arm and a leg for a tailorised suit...

Dont get tailor made suits here, too expensive. get it from Asia, HK, Taiwan, China, Malaysia.. You will pay half for exactly the same suit.

example: I bought a Boss suit here, not tailor made, cost $1400, I went back to Taiwan, saw the same thing, cost $900 or so, I had a tailor made Valentino back in Taiwan, cost about $2500, (SAKS quoted me $5000) but Valentino is much better than Boss.

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ken2006

bro.. tell me more about how to jump to higher level work, coz i am a fresh technical officer, there are so many senior scientists on my top and heaps got masters and phDs..how can I beat this???? thanks man/

花天堂

原帖由 ken2006 于 2008-2-14 10:42 发表
bro.. tell me more about how to jump to higher level work, coz i am a fresh technical officer, there are so many senior scientists on my top and heaps got masters and phDs..how can I beat this??? ...

Dude
I think you probably know your technical skill will never be as good as those senior technical officer with PhD or master degree, so you need to develop your other strength.
Let me tell you a story… when I was in uni, my lecturer told us during the class: there are some of you will get A grade, 20 years from now you will be in my position, there are some of you will get B grade, 20 years from now you will be a highly paid manager, there are some of you will get C or fail, 20 years from now you will be our boss.
I might have told this story before, I am getting old, but anyway.
I think to beat those technical officer or become successful in any organisation, you need to be good at these
-technical
-communication
-management
-admin
To be absolutely professional in anyone of these area is like an art to be performed…


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妖精的指尖

原帖由 雪梨樱桃 于 2008-2-13 12:41 发表
我老公在Beca做结构工程师，但是说实话我觉得他们的薪水和付出的不成比例，虽然横向比较的话工资不低了，但是海关的一个trainee也能拿到4w多的工资呢。。。。。

i'm in Beca too~~

which structure section your LG at??

花天堂

原帖由 妖精的指尖 于 2008-2-14 12:47 发表



i'm in Beca too~~

which structure section your LG at??

my good mate John Ok(Korean) is going to start with Beca as a little manager with several graduate under his wings.

anyone of you gonna be under him?

my classmate, Irene (from HK) is with Beca too, anyone of you working for her?

妖精的指尖

原帖由 花天堂 于 2008-2-14 12:57 发表


my good mate John Ok(Korean) is going to start with Beca as a little manager with several graduate under his wings.

anyone of you gonna be under him?

my classmate, Irene (from HK) is wi ...

emmm, it's not like "assigning graduates to" anyone, it depends on the section managers. Beca has lots of sections...complex to me~but i guess it works well when come to details.

which office and which section they gonna join? they may in charge of the graduates who join their sections.

对岸

谢谢LZ的分享， 很有用！！！

花天堂

Forgotten to mention....

T-H-E MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR FOR PAYRISE!!!!!

KEEP

YOUR

BOSS

HAPPY

you can do whatever you want to your other colleague, but you must keep your boss happy, if he wants something, give him as soon as you can!!!! but dont promise and then fail to perform!! if he wants something done by today, you suppose to have it done yesterday.

ken2006

Thanks bro.. I heard part of ur stories be4. I kept those bit in my mind, but I cant really improve something like management or adminstration skills in my position ay. I realized stick with complete technical position never gonna be moving up quickly.. So I consider a MBA degree be4, but i have no idea actually, what do you reckon??cheers.

Tomorrow

勇于拿自己开玩笑的人，应当是相当自信的。看得出来楼主队自己充满信心。

花天堂

原帖由 ken2006 于 2008-2-14 14:16 发表
Thanks bro.. I heard part of ur stories be4. I kept those bit in my mind, but I cant really improve something like management or adminstration skills in my position ay. I realized stick with comp ...

MBA will always help, you can always fulfill yourself by learning another language/skill, example of that is I have been learning German for awhile, we had a German engineer came to our office before, I started a conversation with him, my boss was completely STUNNED.
If you are inspired to learn and actively seeking self improvement, your boss will know or feel it, if he is good he will try to retain you, then you are in better position to bargain for payrise...

If your current position wont allow you to have opportunity to improve your management skills or learning of it, seek elsewhere after 1 year of service... but you need to give it your best shot before you leave your company, so your boss/supervisor/manager can give you a good reference when you want another job.

JJchch

Hi, Just curious to know that the NZ84K inculude staff benefit or not??(e.g insurance+ bonus+++)? Thanks

JJchch

Hi, just curious to know that the NZ84k incude staff benefits or not??(e.g insurance + bonus++++),Thanks!

花天堂

原帖由 JJchch 于 2008-2-14 14:49 发表
Hi, Just curious to know that the NZ84K inculude staff benefit or not??(e.g insurance+ bonus+++)? Thanks

staff benefit?

not much benefit for working at the council....

84k is just pur salary.  nothing else.

i do have a cellphone provided by the company. there is 5% superannuation provided by council, you save 5% of your salary, council give you 5% of your salary, if you leave after 3 years, you can take the 5% council give you. better than kiwisaver...

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雪梨樱桃

原帖由 妖精的指尖 于 2008-2-14 12:47 发表



i'm in Beca too~~

which structure section your LG at??

我老公是做civil的，美女做什么的？

感觉女生学工程的都很强

JJchch

So the pay package is NZ840K+ 5% superannuation ......; how about bonus?????
sorry....for asking that ...just curious!!!!

妖精的指尖

原帖由 雪梨樱桃 于 2008-2-14 15:19 发表



我老公是做civil的，美女做什么的？

感觉女生学工程的都很强

我在airports section~你老公是akl的吗？要是的话我应该见过~

MIB

写的满好的，我超级怕和人谈钱的问题

五巢

好貼好貼。。。。。。。。。。

stonecold

感谢楼主分享

我也是读civil的，现在在transit nz实习，但是觉得这边没什么东西做，很闲，平时也运用不到所学的engineering知识，没有什么challenge，觉得无法实现自我价值。

请问花天堂对于雇主的类型可否给些建议，特别是对于graduates来说，刚毕业都是这样么？还是仅限于govt？？

谢谢

花天堂

原帖由 JJchch 于 2008-2-14 16:19 发表
So the pay package is NZ840K+ 5% superannuation ......; how about bonus?????
sorry....for asking that ...just curious!!!!

bonus will depend on your performance, i dont want to think about it because i am still learning...

前輩說bonus應該是5%到10%, 要看自己的表現

另外薪資每年會因為通貨膨脹自動增加3-4%

花天堂

原帖由 MIB 于 2008-2-14 17:56 发表
写的满好的，我超级怕和人谈钱的问题

沒什麼好怕的, 你付出了青春跟時間換來薪水.... 你有理直氣壯的理由

花天堂

原帖由 stonecold 于 2008-2-14 20:39 发表
感谢楼主分享

我也是读civil的，现在在transit nz实习，但是觉得这边没什么东西做，很闲，平时也运用不到所学的engineering知识，没有什么challenge，觉得无法实现自我价值。

请问花天堂对于雇主的类型可 ...

政府單位的話有好也有壞, 實習的地方大部分都會成為畢業後工作的地方, 今年開學後你是3年級嗎?

對剛畢業的學生來說, 很閑的工作是未來發展的絆腳石, 你是不是感覺你在那裡好像是花瓶一樣, 沒有什麼用?

我當初就是因為這樣所以跳槽到consultant去... 結果去了consultant才知道被人家當作calculator, 可能是我遇人不淑吧!

其實如果你還是在校, 現在是實習的話, 如果是第一個400小時的實習, 那一定很閑, 第二個400小時還是很閑的話, 你就要注意了, 你的report可能寫出來批改的教職員會不滿意, (現在還是Jason Ingham改嗎? 我們那時候都不是很喜歡他)
總的來說, 實習的時候無聊是很正常的, 因為你還不是fully fledged engineer....

陶瓷小兔

呵呵,想起来了,你就是stresscrete的另外一个ben?? 记得我吗 我以前开帖问有没有在fb里做的..... 其实我觉得fb很抠门的,呵呵,涨工资听到现在没有超过7.5%的.因为据说平均来讲是4%. 不过我面试isg的时候没你这么幸运啊,他们问我要多少工资,我说30000-32,000(当时是32小时), 结果就给了我30,000.现在真后悔不过也没办法了. 觉得你很好啊,希望以后跳槽了也能跳个好点的地方,嘿嘿

花天堂

原帖由 陶瓷小兔 于 2008-2-14 21:08 发表
呵呵,想起来了,你就是stresscrete的另外一个ben?? 记得我吗 我以前开帖问有没有在fb里做的..... 其实我觉得fb很抠门的,呵呵,涨工资听到现在没有超过7.5%的.因为据说平均来讲是4%. 不过我面试isg的时候没你这么幸 ...

我不是ben阿.. 我記得你...

承包商都是這樣的, 除非你有特別的表現或是驚人之舉, 否則的話, 薪資漲幅根本就是夢.