tech lead（software） 转做 Solution Architect(SA) 经验分享

MSSA

liuruihua 发表于 2016-8-19 08:51
I used to work in a software house has around 50 developers worldwide and the company does not hav ...

SA这种角色corporate需要的最多，因为在corporate里，SA不但要和dev team打交道还要跟business打交道，和各种stakeholder周旋，需要很强的communication的能力。吹牛逼的本领一定要有，但不是瞎吹，而是带技术含量的吹。而且SA的domain knowledge都比较过硬。

从你描述来看你的地方应该不会需要这样的角色。

117wik

ctai010 发表于 2016-8-19 22:19
I work for Sky TV now. (the most hated company in NZ....)

Before that I got most of my SA experie ...

Do you know Steve L (head of Security), Brad Kiti (solution architect?) as well as Bruce X (Dev ops engineer?) ?? All from ex spark. :)

ctai010

117wik 发表于 2016-8-20 08:11
Do you know Steve L (head of Security), Brad Kiti (solution architect?) as well as Bruce X (Dev op ...

yeah know them all...

2 of my projects is waiting Steve's security approval, I don't have a good feeling about it...
Brad's shoes is hard to miss
Had a few good chat with Bruce, but his not working on my projects, so didn't got much chance to work together with him.

ybbest

MSSA 发表于 2016-8-19 23:44
SA这种角色corporate需要的最多，因为在corporate里，SA不但要和dev team打交道还要跟business打交道，和 ...

洋人管吹牛逼叫做story telling ， my manager always tell me that if you can not tell a good story to help them to make a decision , they(the business) will hire an expensive consultant to sell them a better story.

ybbest

ctai010 发表于 2016-8-19 22:32
thank you.
Although there really isn't anything for share.

1. Difference between EA and SA isn't that clear. Some big corporate don't even have EA role. Agree, but a proper EA role is not IT role anymore. It is not about the job title it is really about where this role is in the Org chart.
2. You mentioned a key concept - Enterprise Agile. Does it means EA role will become obsolete in future? That's the million dollar question.
Not sure , I would hope in a large organisation they will still need EA . But who knows we might all get replaced by robots.

3. At any given time, if you go to Seek, SA job opening will out-number EA at 10-1 or more. Isn't SA have better job security? Although you can still apply SA job even if your last job is EA.
I thought there are no a lot of experienced EA around as well.
4. Do you really get paid more as EA? not necessarily. You get paid more by taking contracting role. Even dev contacting role can pay more than perm EA role.

But as EA , you can still climb the corporate ladder.

MSSA

ybbest 发表于 2016-8-23 09:11
洋人管吹牛逼叫做story telling ， my manager always tell me that if you can not tell a good story t ...

确实，我感觉SA和dev的不同就是SA的表达能力和说服能力和对business的理解，dev一般都比较重技术一些有时候会忽视很多business的东西。同时很多英语是第二语言的dev表达能力受限，空有一身本领说不出来干着急。

liuruihua

MSSA 发表于 2016-8-23 17:44
确实，我感觉SA和dev的不同就是SA的表达能力和说服能力和对business的理解，dev一般都比较重技术一些有时 ...

I don't know others.

Sometimes the boss do not understand the technical side and I have to explain to him to use the right way. :-)i.e. in the browser it is very hard to copy and past to the clipboard using javascript and to do it right, have to offer a small window to ask user to copy themselves. :-)

ybbest

MSSA 发表于 2016-8-23 17:44
确实，我感觉SA和dev的不同就是SA的表达能力和说服能力和对business的理解，dev一般都比较重技术一些有时 ...

对SA 有的时候是一种advisor的角色。很多non-functional requirement,很多时候business都在乎的，比如SSO，比如integration必须要用到middleware，就必须要和他们解释为什么要这样做，这样做的好处是什么。

玛思琪哆

學習貼！多謝分享！

since

工作关系跟我对口的都是各大银行或者大vendor的solution arch, lead arch, principal arch。他们往往都是业务精通，ppt熟练，辩才无碍，出的方案完全不接地气，跟dev的合作完全不行。 这是新西兰这边的一大毛病， 只有大企业才用architect，而architect又完全不写代码。 我是脚着一切不写代码的architect都是耍流氓。 另外一点是solution architect 这个头衔包含的内容太广，越来越不和实际。现在越来越多的公司（硅谷开始）用专门的software architect，而且普遍比sa 的薪水要高。 当然engineering文化高的公司如google之类的是没有architect的。这一点也值得思索。

楼主上了新岗位，学了很多soft skills这是个人career成长的必经之路。但也不要忘了你自己安身立命之本还是技术能力，是解决实际问题。 千万别把实战的机会都丢给dev，这样几年以后反而吃亏。

zwanything

good great great best

ybbest

since 发表于 2016-8-24 12:51
工作关系跟我对口的都是各大银行或者大vendor的solution arch, lead arch, principal arch。他们往往都是业 ...

谢谢给的建议，受教了。

Foody

since 发表于 2016-8-24 12:51
工作关系跟我对口的都是各大银行或者大vendor的solution arch, lead arch, principal arch。他们往往都是业 ...

非常同意。dev 和 sa 只是职位功能不同，并无高低之分。新西兰有太多的sa, 只是in house domain expert。

愿景

好贴拜读了

zwanything

作为第一代移民的挨踢人员。爬阶梯确实很累，特别是到中高层职位，刚开始语言是问题，慢慢到后来，是文化差异的问题了。老外讲一堆笑话，只能理解字面意思，这其实就是文化背景的问题了。

所以我严重同意楼上的，技术是立身之本，不丢弃技术远远比精通文化更容易。

ybbest

zwanything 发表于 2016-8-24 16:06
作为第一代移民的挨踢人员。爬阶梯确实很累，特别是到中高层职位，刚开始语言是问题，慢慢到后来，是文化差 ...

SA 还是一个技术职位，我所说的communication skills 只是我觉得从我自身角度从dev 转到SA 所欠缺的，作为SA当然要有过硬的技术，要不然你的technical design 怎么做啊。我只是分享一下从dev 转到SA 过程中的一些学习经验吧，如果有朋友想往这方面发展有个可以借鉴的东西。
可以参考一下
What makes a damn good solution architect?
What the heck does a solution architect do anyway?

ctai010

yche276 发表于 2016-8-24 20:39
Steve Lang! hahahaha! I couldn't agree more!!!!!!!!!! Good luck to your projects! ;-P

哈哈

無奈呀...

Security 這種東西要挑毛病一定有的...

ctai010

ybbest 发表于 2016-8-23 15:05
1. Difference between EA and SA isn't that clear. Some big corporate don't even have EA role. Agre ...

All absolutely true, and I still have so much to learn.

If we have the same conversation 1 year later I'm sure some of my thoughts will change.

ybbest

Baby_Vicky 发表于 2016-8-25 08:18
Good on you!

Ps microservice + devops ftw  lol

Is your company working on microservice? I went to a conference recently , the speaker asks the question in front the SA/EAs, only Paymark actually deployed microservices in Production.

ybbest

Foody 发表于 2016-8-24 14:20
非常同意。dev 和 sa 只是职位功能不同，并无高低之分。新西兰有太多的sa, 只是in house domain expert。 ...

这点同意，而且工资也不比senior dev 高很多。不过如果想在公司往上爬的话，就必须要学会和人打交道。SA又可以继续搞技术，做developer做的无聊的话，SA是一个出路。不过不一定适合每个人，我现在觉得还是做developer的时候开心。现在要不断的看人脸色，不断的看别人的design，或者自己写design。

Foody

ybbest 发表于 2016-8-25 16:02
这点同意，而且工资也不比senior dev 高很多。不过如果想在公司往上爬的话，就必须要学会和人打交道。SA又 ...

Dev 做烦了的确可以做sa, 但做Tech lead有成就感，气势和自信. 特别是在vender里面，技术强 经验丰富很受用，毕竟project要靠你从头带到尾。

zhlei616

终于找到组织了
微信链接过期了，谁可以再发个新的吗？

gluckdavid

前辈的文章，值得学习 分享

ybbest

Foody 发表于 2016-8-25 17:04
Dev 做烦了的确可以做sa, 但做Tech lead有成就感，气势和自信. 特别是在vender里面，技术强 经验丰富很受 ...

同意，不过在vendor里做太累了，我一个经理和我说过你要想不学习的那么辛苦，就要寻找在IT里更新不那么快的技能和职位，这样才能给你时间学习这种技能去变成专家，这种技能也更值钱。

Foody

ybbest 发表于 2016-8-27 10:49
同意，不过在vendor里做太累了，我一个经理和我说过你要想不学习的那么辛苦，就要寻找在IT里更新不那么快 ...

我感觉做sa应该是50岁以后的plan, top dev的下一步应该是start up, 现在有azure 和 aws 这2大平台， 自己出产品的门槛低了很多。

ybbest

ctai010 发表于 2016-8-24 22:04
All absolutely true, and I still have so much to learn.

If we have the same conversation 1 year  ...

YES，changes and disruption is the new norm. Be able to adatp to the change is the key.