Most IT workers nowadays in China earn Y300,000 ?

anzac_corp

前两天还有个朋友跟我抱怨，在上海15k月薪找不到5年经验的靠谱java程序员。当然这个15k包括五险一金，实际上税前工资不过1万出头，在上海确实不算太诱人。30万的年薪，其实也不过能找一个还能干点活的7、8年经验的程序员罢了。要论实际的产出，我相信花7万纽币的年薪在奥克兰也能雇到差不多的程序员吧。

liuruihua

anzac_corp 发表于 2016-6-14 20:02
前两天还有个朋友跟我抱怨，在上海15k月薪找不到5年经验的靠谱java程序员。当然这个15k包括五险一金，实际 ...

5年经验的靠谱java程序员应该算有经验的程序员啦，毕竟java的j2ee, ejb之类也算企业级的啦

java可以跨平台运算，也非同小可啦

liuruihua

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-14 16:48
Just a little more, I'm doing embedded system/firmware, you know the pay rise is limited in most f ...

你不是在其他论坛上说你去读书phd深造了吗？

anzac_corp

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-14 20:48
In your words, a really competitive programmer in Shanghai deserves Y400,000~Y500,000 nowadays?

在BAT等一线互联网公司，hands-on的资深程序员，差不多是这个价位。但他们还不靠这个底薪，他们的股票和分红的收入要超过底薪至少一倍。

117wik

To everyone that's on this list, sounds like majority of you are already hitting the ceiling of your career. If you are wondering where to from here, i will suggest:

- Aim to achieve higher career wise. Yes it's 100 times harder for Asian to do so, bit it's doable. I got to where i am today initially because of my technical ability. I told myself i am not interested to climb the corporate ladder and hence have been refusing opportunity to be a manager since 7-8 years ago. I took up the challenge last year, because i realize that instead of expecting some other useless manager to deliver the outcome i expect, the only real way of achieve my vision of where i want to take the team to, is by becoming the decision maker. Sure being a manager it comes with many aspect i don't enjoy dealing with, such as people problem, company politic etc, but at the same time i am starting to see the result of some of the strategy i have implemented (a senior guy turning down a $55k pay increase from a head hunter in Australia and chose to stay because he believes in me and is very happy with the work atmosphere is a huge recognition of  what i have done).

- Aim for FI/RE (https://www.reddit.com/r/financialindependence)? I am no where near achieving FI, but over the last 10 years i have spent a lot of my time reading and learning about a variety of possible options of achieving so. Today i don't own any property in NZ (a huge disadvantage for me, as i may never be able to get back into it with the current crazy bubble price), but i do own a small business with a ROI of 17% or so (not great compare to houses, but at least i am contributing to the economy). I have been working very hard to expand on that and if everything goes according to plan i am hoping to achieve the FI status in 5 years time (when i am 45Yo).

- Work out meaning of life, help out others less fortunate. I became a Christian after exploring and thinking bout the same questions after 10+ years of thinking and learning. I now have 8 ongoing charities that i support through monthly donations. I am also reasonably active in helping out new migrants/students that are trying to start new chapter of life in this beautiful country by sacrificing my personal time (i have met, provide guidance, help review CV, ran simulated interview etc etc for total strangers, for nothing). For those of us that are slightly more fortunate, let's do something and make this world a better place, right? :)

Sorry for all the typing, if either of you work in AKL CBD, wanna meet and chat over coffee sometime? :)

liuruihua

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-14 22:24
First, too old to study, secondly my wife doesn't work so I have to raise the whole family.

I jus ...

I agree if you are the only income source of the family, there are lots of restrictions.

But as you said, it is never too old to learn. :-)

technerd

liuruihua 发表于 2016-6-14 14:03
I am glad hearing what you said. :-)

我是觉得心酸

love_3_month

上海北京2-30万不是很正常的吗。。。不过很辛苦就是了

love_3_month

英文太多了看的累。。。上班用英文，上网来放松，除了新闻一般看英文觉得好麻烦。。。。。用手机还有个奇怪的地方，英文换行的时候会拆成两半，哈哈。。。

lz你平时和华人朋友聊天是不是也尽量说英文的啊

我以前公司上网不能写中文也要长篇的发英文，还好现在没问题了。。。

love_3_month

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 21:07
All the friends around me, no matter westerners, Chinese or Japanese, communicate with me in Engli ...

不会啊关键是我的阅读速度，中文可以一目十行，不会遗漏重要信息，英文不行。。。

我家乡在江南，在上海读的大学，会说上海话和几种不同的方言，还有一点粤语。我的英文没有我的上海话好，比我的粤语强，哈哈。

怎么说呢，我的思维已经习惯了中文了，虽然在上班时候会切换成英文，但是中文更习惯一点。

我想我这辈子是不会去看原版的英文小说的了哈哈。。。

love_3_month

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 21:07
All the friends around me, no matter westerners, Chinese or Japanese, communicate with me in Engli ...

你有没有有的词或者意境无法用英文表达出来

比如，脑子里突然冒出一句古诗。。。。

我的英文只能做沟通交流，不能做深层次的讨论。很多sutle的地方掌握不了。

love_3_month

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 21:34
I didn't say I'm so confident in English after all equally not a native speaker.

However I've got ...

说实话，你可以去英文论坛上，更多人会有不同的想法和你讨论

我不是说这个论坛不好，但相对来说，这里更多的人是保留了很多chinese community的习惯和思维。所以有人会问你，说英文不累啊，哈哈

love_3_month

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 21:48
Exactly like the case when Shangaiese people urges: nong be ngo kong zanhe whewo hova, vezurme fio ...

看不懂，我估计是说的，上海人比较排斥说普通话的人吧？

那是低素质的年轻人吧，我没遇到过

love_3_month

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 21:48
Exactly like the case when Shangaiese people urges: nong be ngo kong zanhe whewo hova, vezurme fio ...

我觉得这里的人比你说的那种上海人好多了

如果我看到有人一直打英文，我会假设他可能没有中文输入，或者在这里长大会读不会写，或者是不愿意，反正是个人选择啦。

很多人也会这样想吧，口出恶言的毕竟是少数

但虽然这么想，没有褒贬，看到英文直接跳过去的，应该也不在少数。个人选择，你可以选择在中文论坛上发表英文，别人当然可以选择不看。