Lincoln Tan同志说妓女中华人占三分之一，元芳你怎么看？

chang824

鬼武魂 发表于 2013-3-26 10:39
本来就是笑话，怎么可能只有1/3，随便想想就知道了。

他不好意思說 1/2  拉

liweike888

这个是官方数据吗？是哪个部门进行统计的？？都是胡扯。。。没任何团体和学术机构证实，这种社会调查纯粹是扯淡。

liweike888

选择新西兰 发表于 2013-3-26 10:53
这个数据是妓女自己的组织发布的。

那么可信度就更扯淡了。。。。。。。。。。

17carlos

有更新， 刚收到Healy的回复。

Hi  
The numbers are certainly fluid and not accurate. We document the ethnicity of the people we have had  contact with over six monthly periods. We are not sure where that figure comes, from which states a third of all sex workers are Chinese. It is possible someone in our organisation was pushed into nominating a figure to Lincoln but we feel it is not accurate. We collect broad data, and report that in the six months from July 1 to Dec 31 2012 we had contacts with 17.3% of sex workers in the Auckland region whom we perceived to be Asian. This is not necessarily an accurate measure as it only captures the sex workers we had contact with throughout this time.

Regards

Catherine Healy

17carlos

我又回信问了：
这个调查的测量尺度是asian还是chinese
另外这个电话调查的范围有多大
有回复会再更新。

但现在可以肯定Lincoln一定掩埋了一些数据，而挑了一些在赚眼球的。

最近去了 白宫  就看到一个貌似 亚裔的， 其他全是洋妞。

17carlos

收到了Dr Calum Bennachie from NZPC的来信。非常详细，一看就是写过论文，没有用那些哗众取宠的简单数据，吸引大家的眼球。大家读读，看看现在该怎么办啊？明显人家的报告：
1）没有包括任何针对中国人的调查，出来的结果是亚洲人，包括了By “Asian”, it includes all people from Asia, including Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Indian, Middle Eastern, etc.  It is not limited to “Chinese”.
2）2012该组织调查了15519 sex workers在全新西兰范围，其中2046是Asian sex workers (13.18% of the total).  ，其中奥克兰范围，8786人包括 1519 (17.29%)是亚洲人.  Again, as noted above, “Asian”is not limited to “Chinese”, but to all people from Asia, including non-Chinese people.
3）在移民局采样中，发现只能有3.51%的sex workers是华人，这些华人，包括住在auckland,Wellington and Tauranga.所以奥克兰华人sex workers比例还要更少，

下面是原件：
Hi

When we did the counts for the Christchurch School of Medicine, and the Ministry of Justice, we did not collect ethnicity, only gender and venue (indoors managed, indoors private , and outdoors).  The total number of sex workers calculated for Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Nelson and the Hawkes Bay were provided to the Christchurch School of Medicine.  The results of this count can be seen here: http://www.justice.govt.nz/polic ... timation-of-numbers  As you can see, no ethnicity was recorded.  Ethnicity was only recorded in this study when people were interviewed or completed the surveys.  In this report, ethnicity is recorded as Maori, European, Pacific Islander and Other: http://www.justice.govt.nz/polic ... qualitative-samples

That study also noted : “An exclusion criterion for this study was that participants whose English was not sufficient to understand the questions without the aid of an interpreter, were excluded. There is therefore limited representation of Asian workers in New Zealand.” (http://www.justice.govt.nz/polic ... y/executive-summary)

Therefore it is unlikely Lincoln was using this study.

The advert audit completed for the Ministry of Justice also does not record the ethnicity of sex workers: http://www.justice.govt.nz/polic ... -in-new-zealand#232  Although it may be inferred that websites asianbabes.co.nz do advertise people who are predominantly Asian, the 0 beside shows that the businesses or people advertising on that site were also advertising elsewhere.  It is therefore impossible to use this study to claim that 1/3rd of sex workers in Auckland are Chinese.

The only record of ethnicity that I can think of that we keep (at least in this office), is the record of contacts we have with sex workers.  This records Maori, European, Pacific Island, Asian, and Other.  By “Asian”, it includes all people from Asia, including Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Indian, Middle Eastern, etc.  It is not limited to “Chinese”.

In 2012, we had contact with 15519 sex workers throughout New Zealand, either by seeing them at the community base, or seeing them on outreach, either at a brothel (including a private home) or on the street.  Of that 15519 contacts, 2046 were Asian sex workers (13.18% of the total).

Our Auckland community base had 8786 contacts with sex workers, of which 1519 (17.29%) were Asian.  Again, as noted above, “Asian”is not limited to “Chinese”, but to all people from Asia, including non-Chinese people.

Furthermore, these are contacts, not individuals.  One person may be accessing NZPC in several different ways: by coming into the community base, by being seen on outreach to a managed brothel or private workers residence, or being seen on outreach to the streets.  It should also be noted that some sex workers travel around the country, so may be recorded in one or more community bases either by visiting the base or by being seen on outreach (or both).

NZPC has recently completed some research into the needs of Migrant workers.  While the majority of the respondents to this were Chinese (people were asked what part of Asia they were from if they identified as Asian), there were only 51 respondents.  This is not a large percentage of the sex industry, and represents only 3.51% of the 1451 estimated sex workers in the Auckland region.  It should be noted that respondents also came from Wellington and Tauranga, so the percentage of respondents to this study living in Auckland would be even less.

It would not be possible, using any of these figures to claim that 1/3rd of sex workers in Auckland are Asian, let alone Chinese.

I hope this helps you.  If you would like any further information, please feel free to contact either myself or Catherine

Many thanks

Dr Calum Bennachie
NZPC

17carlos

能否lz注一下更新，需要群策群力，看看该怎么对付那个反华分子。
我以前不认为他是反华，哪怕他写了圣诞大餐调查那篇文章后，
但这次，明显是针对华人，不是反华分子是什么。

not419

17carlos 发表于 2013-3-27 07:53
收到了Dr Calum Bennachie from NZPC的来信。非常详细，一看就是写过论文，没有用那些哗众取宠的简单数据， ...

十分感谢17carlos 的努力，由此看来，LincolnTan的数据是随意编造的，由此引申他以前的报道都不可信，应该有组织地找他交涉，发信给NZ Herald高层，自己能想到的渠道：
1. 通过skykiwi高层和这里的网友
2. 通过华人社区侨领如黄玮章等
3. 通过华人议员如霍建强、杨建等
4. 通过奥克兰总领馆

happyletian

从业人数还真不少啊，回头再去看看。

贝贝他爸

这数据得有政府来统计，没有经过调查就乱说的都不足为信

不过这东西很难调查，华人有几个是有牌照登记过的妓女？

萨米

17carlos 发表于 2013-3-27 07:53
收到了Dr Calum Bennachie from NZPC的来信。非常详细，一看就是写过论文，没有用那些哗众取宠的简单数据， ...

很学术的回答。你也很认真，赞一个

17carlos

not419 发表于 2013-3-27 08:45
十分感谢17carlos 的努力，由此看来，LincolnTan的数据是随意编造的，由此引申他以前的报道都不可信，应 ...

估计skykiwi和中国领馆是不会管这事。
能否给个几个链接到华人社区侨领如黄玮章等， 议员如霍建强、杨建等

not419

17carlos 发表于 2013-3-27 18:00
估计skykiwi和中国领馆是不会管这事。
能否给个几个链接到华人社区侨领如黄玮章等， 议员如霍建强、杨建 ...

霍议员

http://www.huo.co.nz/home/content/view/356/40/

杨议员

http://www.jianyang.co.nz/index.php?/pages/contact.html

爱国爱港

留园魔王 发表于 2013-3-27 19:11
Miss Pickering said about a third of the brothels and massage parlours in Auckland are run by Chin ...

香港人现在跟你有仇吗？

爱国爱港

17carlos 发表于 2013-3-27 18:00
估计skykiwi和中国领馆是不会管这事。
能否给个几个链接到华人社区侨领如黄玮章等， 议员如霍建强、杨建 ...

应该是纽西兰警察管的事？

jsmith2

现在有些女孩子，整天在微信、微博上和男人打情骂俏、勾勾搭搭，聊不了几句就见面开房，视感情如儿戏，一点也不知道自重。 对于这样的女孩，我只想对她们说4个字： 请联系我！

PCANZ

DIU~打开每一期的华业看看就知道了，想不看都难啊！整版啊！！！

pixie4me

真不知道此人的数据是从何而来，　如果数据确凿的话，　那么应该非常容易知道那些人到底是什么ｖｉｓａ啊，　为什么此人却不清楚到底是多少ｓｔｕｄｅｎｔ　ｖｉｓａ呢。　何况很多ｓｔｕｄｅｎｔ　ｖｉｓａ是允许打２０小时工的啊，　做妓女如果有交税的话也属于合法打工啊，　ｓｔｕｄｅｎｔ　ｖｉｓａ上又没有说不能当妓女，　只要有交税而且不超过２０小时。　此人发此言论明显就是歧视妓女这个职业。

jsmith2

現代中國是笑貧不笑娼，就算中國妓女dominate 整個NZ市場又如何 ????? 只能怪 Kiwi 經營不善、技術不好、性價比不高....等等

not419

新西兰华人的丑丢大了，世界人民都知道：新西兰华人三分之一是妓女。。。传来传去都变样了：
http://www.wenxuecity.com/news/2013/03/26/2306030.html

17carlos

not419 发表于 2013-3-27 22:24
新西兰华人的丑丢大了，世界人民都知道：新西兰华人三分之一是妓女。。。传来传去都变样了：
http://www.w ...

对啊，最后变成，3个华人妇女，包括1岁的 到100岁的，其中就有一个。

不是华人女生中，三分之一是妓女，是妓女中三分之一是华人吧？

比如：华人女生有3千，不可能有1千是妓女。
正确的理解是，妓女有300人，其中一百是华裔的（可能有东南亚，印尼，台湾，香港等来自大中华地区的华裔后代呢？）华人女生不是大陆出来的女孩吧？

我觉得大陆出来的女孩，都挺自尊自爱的，家境也都不错，极少从事这个行业的吧？

17carlos

已经发信给2个议员了，希望华人议员可以做点什么。

Danger_Decibels

神马情况？？？