System Admin VS Developer 请各位IT同行和前辈指教

SilverFern

117wik 发表于 2012-5-4 11:34
Not sure what the best way is to list what i have done career wise previously, see if this helps o ...

Appreciate your sharing, this really helps, now I'm clear where I'm going to and finally decide never go back to the developer path.

Another concern is do you think certificates will help me in new job hunting? such as MCITP/CompTIA etc.

since

不喜欢编程的 当不了好程序员。 你每天自己会不会有想写code滴冲动？
甭管打算干dev还是tech support, 都得注意身体啊。。。。
哥上班5年跟打仗一样，薪水翻了3倍，结果身体垮了。 最近大病一场，后遗症无数。。。。大彻大悟啊。。。。

love_3_month

since 发表于 2012-5-4 12:11
不喜欢编程的 当不了好程序员。 你每天自己会不会有想写code滴冲动？
甭管打算干dev还是tech support, 都 ...

哥你太拼了

SilverFern

since 发表于 2012-5-4 12:11
不喜欢编程的 当不了好程序员。 你每天自己会不会有想写code滴冲动？
甭管打算干dev还是tech support, 都 ...

最近我有干眼症了，挺难受的，确实身体是第一位~

taomibaobao

since 发表于 2012-5-4 12:11
不喜欢编程的 当不了好程序员。 你每天自己会不会有想写code滴冲动？
甭管打算干dev还是tech support, 都 ...

我不觉得你上班像打仗。

117wik

love_3_month 发表于 2012-5-4 11:43
这也要看能力的吧.

比如, 当年和你一起做"1st Job - Title: Desktop Support==="的同事, 也不是人人都 ...

yup, personal determination and luck dictate where someone will end up in their life.

love_3_month

117wik 发表于 2012-5-4 12:46
yup, personal determination and luck dictate where someone will end up in their life.

能不能说说当年和你一起做"1st Job - Title: Desktop Support==="的同事这么多年来现在什么工作啊?

这样对新人比较有意义啊.

117wik

SilverFern 发表于 2012-5-4 12:09
Appreciate your sharing, this really helps, now I'm clear where I'm going to and finally decide ne ...

Certification always help, one thing that i didn't include in my previous posts was the number of certifcations i have done thrugh out the years (at some point i thought i must have been one of the most certified person in NZ, as i was almost certified in everything you can think of e.g. MS, Linux, F5, all 3 firewall vendors, Nokia, security, Cisco etc etc).

My only advice is, try to do certification that compliment your experience (i.e. if you already have 4 years experience supporting VMware, might as well get some certification in that area), and also, when you do learn it, learn it properly (i used to invest quite a lot setting up a home lab and simulate everything to make sure i wasn't jsut a paper certify). e.g. when i was doing my firewall certification, i had the full 3 tiers architecture setup at home, and had my home DSL protected behind taht firewall.

Don't do certification just for certifcation's sake, do it to increase your likelyhood of getting shortlisted for interview, as well as to enhance your understanding and knowledge of a particular technology.

117wik

since 发表于 2012-5-4 12:11
不喜欢编程的 当不了好程序员。 你每天自己会不会有想写code滴冲动？
甭管打算干dev还是tech support, 都 ...

hope you are better now.

Good thing bout the support/networking path is, we don't tend to get as stressful as developers. :)

Venox10111

117wik 发表于 2012-5-4 12:54
hope you are better now.

Good thing bout the support/networking path is, we don't tend to get a ...

When i get really excited, i get up at 3am and finish my coding.... when the inspirations here.
If you do less challenging programming work (no innovation required), then it's just like any other labor work (bored).

programming is not a money thing, but keep aspiring myself and others to a new level of world.
Recently I am rewriting some of my CMS modules to HTML5 based.

117wik

Venox10111 发表于 2012-5-4 13:11
When i get really excited, i get up at 3am and finish my coding.... when the inspirations here.
I ...

agree, i used to be super passionate about what i do, i guess after been doing IT for more than 10 years, and have two kids, and also have found god, priority of my life has kind of change. :)

Only those that really enjoy what they do and are passionate about it will get to where they want to be though. Sometime i really envy someone like you that still get excited about what you do. :)

Venox10111

117wik 发表于 2012-5-4 13:22
agree, i used to be super passionate about what i do, i guess after been doing IT for more than 10 ...

I am in the industry for more than 10 yrs too, still passionated... guess no kids caused it :)
Programming is like gaming, where you take on a challenge and try to solve a puzzle, and you pickup new weapons (ide, programming language, hardware) on the way. Too much fun, how can you missed it out

117wik

Venox10111 发表于 2012-5-4 13:31
I am in the industry for more than 10 yrs too, still passionated... guess no kids caused it : ...

i have gone to the other extreme. I am now a lazy networking guy that waste time on computer online game from time to time, while having to juggle looking after kids etc. :P

dolphin99

个人觉得从稳定性来讲system admin比developer要稳定好多，每次裁员，首当其冲的就是developer，尤其是公司接不到项目的时候，而且我没觉得developer的薪水比system admin的高。

Zidane

Venox10111 发表于 2012-5-4 13:11
When i get really excited, i get up at 3am and finish my coding.... when the inspirations here.
I ...

我一直很羡慕可以起早的.
I can be a late sleeper. but can't stand getting up early.

Venox10111

dolphin99 发表于 2012-5-4 13:37
个人觉得从稳定性来讲system admin比developer要稳定好多，每次裁员，首当其冲的就是developer，尤其是公司 ...

一旦developer 开发出AI系统让网络架构自己调整设置，报错，订货后。。。就不需要system admin 了
相信我，有这一天的。现在这个世界都在搞云端服务器

SilverFern

117wik 发表于 2012-5-4 12:53
Certification always help, one thing that i didn't include in my previous posts was the number of  ...

Thanks again, that's exactly what am thinking of, not only for the certification itself, but improve the fundamental knowledge of server/networking, which my further knowledge could properly built on.....

Venox10111

Zidane 发表于 2012-5-4 13:40
我一直很羡慕可以起早的.
I can be a late sleeper. but can't stand getting up early.

that's just not sleeping... i can hardly getting up before 10am
my record is 56 hours straight

SilverFern

Venox10111 发表于 2012-5-4 13:42
一旦developer 开发出AI系统让网络架构自己调整设置，报错，订货后。。。就不需要system admin 了
相信我 ...

这也是我曾担心system admin前景的一个原因，但绝不简单一个AI系统可以解决，如果说这个问题AI系统可以完全接管，那么世界上很多的职位基本都要下岗了，这就是社会和道德问题了，有这个趋势，但不会那么极端。

关键是云端的趋势，尤其是高速网络的发展，有可能会慢慢把管理集中化，就像现在的外包趋势，可能会更加明显，对于像我这种inhouse的admin，应该确实会减少，但IT solution的企业，我觉得反而会扩张

taomibaobao

SilverFern 发表于 2012-5-4 13:52
这也是我曾担心system admin前景的一个原因，但绝不简单一个AI系统可以解决，如果说这个问题AI系统可以完 ...

没错
所以我现在就在IT solution

不过lz你想太多了，人是活的。。你自己不会学习跟更新自己么？

taomibaobao

Venox10111 发表于 2012-5-4 13:42
一旦developer 开发出AI系统让网络架构自己调整设置，报错，订货后。。。就不需要system admin 了
相信我 ...

会有这么一天的。。

不过， 到这么一天，ai也能自己编程了

Venox10111

SilverFern 发表于 2012-5-4 13:52
这也是我曾担心system admin前景的一个原因，但绝不简单一个AI系统可以解决，如果说这个问题AI系统可以完 ...

对，不止是一个系统问题，而是整个世界的体制问题。实际上就是大多的人做没有什么productive 的工作 （比如娱乐业）而又霸占了太多的社会资源。造成了人类的危机。

taomibaobao

Venox10111 发表于 2012-5-4 14:02
对，不止是一个系统问题，而是整个世界的体制问题。实际上就是大多的人做没有什么productive 的工作 （比 ...

nnd

我觉得 苍老师 的工作很伟大

SilverFern

Venox10111 发表于 2012-5-4 14:02
对，不止是一个系统问题，而是整个世界的体制问题。实际上就是大多的人做没有什么productive 的工作 （比 ...

这就是政治问题了，话说回来，这世界上太多的问题其实IT解决不了，要靠政治，有时候政治也不行，就得战争了...

SilverFern

taomibaobao 发表于 2012-5-4 13:56
会有这么一天的。。

不过， 到这么一天，ai也能自己编程了

哈哈 其实terminator电影早把这样的世界描述的很生动了

Venox10111

SilverFern 发表于 2012-5-4 14:04
这就是政治问题了，话说回来，这世界上太多的问题其实IT解决不了，要靠政治，有时候政治也不行，就得战争 ...

是的，因为政治，很多东西IT能解决，但人不愿意解决。人类的科技进程太慢了，现在硬件大幅度过剩（4核手机。。。8核电脑），而科技，则要在战争中发展。

Venox10111

taomibaobao 发表于 2012-5-4 14:04
nnd

我觉得 苍老师 的工作很伟大

你怎么知道我LP外号？

117wik

love_3_month 发表于 2012-5-4 12:52
能不能说说当年和你一起做"1st Job - Title: Desktop Support==="的同事这么多年来现在什么工作啊?

这 ...

no idea to be honest, not keeping in touch with them anymore. I do have to admit that not everyone following the same footstep will get to the same position though, but then i also hope that showing how i got to where i am today, will at least give people some idea where a support role can lead up to in the future.

taomibaobao

Venox10111 发表于 2012-5-4 14:07
你怎么知道我LP外号？

真的假的