徘徊在读Master和考Microsoft证书之间,谁能给点意见?

missmia

系统和网络管理吧,但想选哪个可就不是我一厢情愿的事情了...

我要去你老板哪告发你,说你用公司的网络资源在私人用途上.
那你就可以去山区当夏娃去了.


cloudysky 发表于 2009-12-7 15:30

大学有一些entry level的 system admin，看看有没有机会。

cloudysky

试过了,不过就试过一回.
俺脸皮不厚,不敢试第二回了.

不过我倒是有个疑惑,要是万一我毕业后一年后找不到合适的工作,是不是说我的IT生涯已经被判死刑了...

大学有一些entry level的 system admin，看看有没有机会。
missmia 发表于 2009-12-7 15:33

钱塘居士

其实做interview的时候有一个阶段是雇主问你为什么要请你，这时是你最重要的环节，也就是说跟他BS一下，跟雇主说说你自己的想法，一个有主见和有看法的雇员是不错的。
variable 发表于 2009-12-7 14:54

这个问题我也被问过，请教一下大家，一般你们是怎么回答的。

cloudysky

那问题回答起来太复杂了吧,很难一概而论,说得自己太弱了嘛,又说自信不够,说得太强了又说brag,说一就见仁见智了,还是别难为别人为你解答了吧.
个人觉得最重要是自己有料到.

这个问题我也被问过，请教一下大家，一般你们是怎么回答的。
钱塘居士 发表于 2009-12-7 15:52

missmia

那问题回答起来太复杂了吧,很难一概而论,说得自己太弱了嘛,又说自信不够,说得太强了又说brag,说一就见仁见智了,还是别难为别人为你解答了吧.
个人觉得最重要是自己有料到.


cloudysky 发表于 2009-12-7 15:57

MS我没有被问过这样的问题。。。

两个interview，一个general一个technical的。

cloudysky

估计就是在专业不太对口的情况下会问到吧.

missmia

估计就是在专业不太对口的情况下会问到吧.
cloudysky 发表于 2009-12-7 16:46

跟公司文化也有关系的。。。

有的公司是在seek上找interview的题目的

网上有很多 sample answer ：p

ihouse.co.nz

这个问题我也被问过，请教一下大家，一般你们是怎么回答的。
钱塘居士 发表于 2009-12-7 15:52

Basically for this question the interviewer is asking your strengths. For example, if an IT company is looking for a senior .NET developer. You can tell them that you have N years .NET programming experience, N years of design experience...etc, you are familiar with the technologies that the company are using therefore you can pick up the works fast. Then just tell the interviewer couple projects that you work as key player or leader, and how you completed the projects on time.

年糕

117wik

系统和网络管理吧,但想选哪个可就不是我一厢情愿的事情了...

cloudysky 发表于 2009-12-7 15:30

Are you Auckland based? Do you need someone to talk to in regards to how and where to start? I was kind of on the same boat as you when i first started (worst in some way), i tried to break in to IT after graduated with an BE (E&E) degree and wasn't getting anywhere for 6 months, at the end i did an MCSE intensive training course and found a job after that.

系统 and 网络管理 are the field that i started off with and i am more than happy to chat/provide a direction if i can be of any help.

117wik

徘徊在读Master和考Microsoft证书之间,现在已经工作的GGMM,有谁能给点意见?

有读了Master然后找工作的人么,在找工作过程中觉得Master这头衔有用么?都找到些什么样的工作了,研究类的?
感觉做研究的工作风险挺大的 ...
cloudysky 发表于 2009-12-7 13:17

In terms of job hunting, personally i will say certification is more useful than master degree. Having just the cert and not knowing anything about IT isn't going to help though (way too many highly certified people out there that doens't know shit). Saying that if you put effort into it and learn all the content of microsoft certification properly and know enough about the basic, and do speak reasonablly good english, finding a job should still be possible even in the current market.

cloudysky

Hey mate. That seems to be helpful. I was wondering if I should get an MCSE too as I am not sure whether I'll be just paying for nothing, given that most people consider this MCSE stuffs as useless.

I did stay in Auckland for a while, work on a temporary on call postion which was somewhat related to I.T.. The Economy is still under recession. Now I am back in Christchurch and, wondering where I shall do next.

So, you mean that the MCSE could help in some way, right?  

Are you Auckland based? Do you need someone to talk to in regards to how and where to start? I was kind of on the same boat as you when i first started (worst in some way), i tried to break in to  ...
117wik 发表于 2009-12-7 17:47

cloudysky

I was thinking of doing a Master as it is a "Degree" anyway, while a MCSE certificate could mean nothing if you couldn't find a relavant job. So I wonder if anyone here completed a Master and, it does help in job seeking in some way.

With regard to my spoken English, I could say that it is "reasonably" good.

cloudysky

哎,没有实践经验的人Interview的时候很容易出漏子d...

人家问:你会备份吗?
答:我会.
人家问:那你用什么软件备份?
答:厄......

跟公司文化也有关系的。。。

有的公司是在seek上找interview的题目的

网上有很多 sample answer ：p
missmia 发表于 2009-12-7 16:54

newmike

徘徊在读Master和考Microsoft证书之间,现在已经工作的GGMM,有谁能给点意见?

有读了Master然后找工作的人么,在找工作过程中觉得Master这头衔有用么?都找到些什么样的工作了,研究类的?
感觉做研究的工作风险挺大的 ...
cloudysky 发表于 2009-12-7 13:17

在NZ找IT工作的话，如果你没有一丁点工作经验，机会是很少的，master和证书都没甚么帮助。
至于如何取得第一份经验(may or may not be 正式工作)，法子因人而异，我是先找part time工 --> volunter工 --> fix-term --> 正式工，比较曲折，我的一个好朋友先是在一个华人电脑店打PT工 --> FT工 --> 办身份 --> 跳槽到洋人的公司，也不轻松。但是也有人一毕业，随便投几份CV，就得到一份很好的offer的，每个人的命和运都不同，所以，找第一份工作时，要因人而异，以平常心对待。

cloudysky

哦...
那要是已经有了身份了呢.

在NZ找IT工作的话，如果你没有一丁点工作经验，机会是很少的，master和证书都没甚么帮助。
至于如何取得第一份经验(may or may not be 正式工作)，法子因人而异，我是先找part time工 --> volunter工 --> fix-t ...
newmike 发表于 2009-12-7 18:24

newmike

至于身份，对于没身份的人来说，多了一个减分的理由，对于有身份的人来说，不是加分的理由。

cloudysky

那里有Volunteer的工作?

117wik

Hey mate. That seems to be helpful. I was wondering if I should get an MCSE too as I am not sure whether I'll be just paying for nothing, given that most people consider this MCSE stuffs as useless.
...
cloudysky 发表于 2009-12-7 17:58

there are a few things that i need to clarify here:
- no one will consider MCSE/other Microsoft certification being useless. It is true that there are way too many paper certified people out there that know nothing bout shit, but having a relevant degree + a few commercially recognisable certification should still increase the likelyhood of getting short listed or interview. Main thing is to make sure that you don't turn yourself into one of those useless paper certified. If you put all the effort in and work and study hard and learn it properly (by setting up a lab/VM/small network etc), getting a MCSe/equivalnet will not be a waste of time that's for sure.

- Doing IT certification doens't have to be an expensive exercise, as long as you know what exams you want to do etc, there are lots of free materials downloadable from the internet.

117wik

I was thinking of doing a Master as it is a "Degree" anyway, while a MCSE certificate could mean nothing if you couldn't find a relavant job. So I wonder if anyone here completed a Master and, it does ...
cloudysky 发表于 2009-12-7 18:10

My way of looking at this is, what really interest you the most? If sys/network administration is something you can see yourself doing for the rest of your life, whether it will help you find a job or not, u will still go and do it right?  Unless you are considering jumping in to a different industry, in that case doing a master degree might help. Otherwise you will be better off getting more hands on experience (volunteering, setup small lab at home, learn from friends with more experience, anything will help) and get certified in one of the more widely known IT certification.

newmike

Volunteer的工作其实不好找，也得看机会。当时先是一个同学找了份IT工，台湾人老板，作项目又想省钱，拉上另一个写code很猛的哥们做Volunteer，项目做一半，和猛人闹翻了(具体的谁对谁错，我也不是很清楚)，于是问我愿不愿接Volunteer，我想先拿点经验值再说，就接了。
最重要的经验是 - 如有可能的话，不要给台湾人老板打工。

missmia

哎,没有实践经验的人Interview的时候很容易出漏子d...

人家问:你会备份吗?
答:我会.
人家问:那你用什么软件备份?
答:厄......



cloudysky 发表于 2009-12-7 18:23

你可以说你自己写script备份。。。。不用别人的软件。

117wik

哎,没有实践经验的人Interview的时候很容易出漏子d...

人家问:你会备份吗?
答:我会.
人家问:那你用什么软件备份?
答:厄......

cloudysky 发表于 2009-12-7 18:23

u know what? you have to be more positive about the whole thing. If you are so negative starting from the begining, how do you expect to convince others when you yourself are not convinced that you can do it?

In the scenario listed above, if i were in your shoe, if someone ask me what backup software i know of/have used in the past, i will tell them straight that, i am just a new grad, i learn everything i know off from self study/uni lab/lab testing at home/book. I don't have any commercial experience in any enterprise backup solution just yet, but i do understand the basic concept of what "backup" actually means and how they are used in a company, and i am confident that given the right opportunity i will be able to learn and pick up whatever backup solution that you guys currently have in place in no time. As i strongly believe that IT is not hard, and everyone can be trained given the right opportunity, but having the right attitude is not something that can be taught and i strongly believe that i do have the right attitute to perform well in your IT team.

Don't forget that most companies already know you are just a fresh graduate from your CV when they decided to interview you, and being a new graduate, you have the luxury of being able to act frank and tell them that you DON't KNOW the answer to some of their questions, as long as you can converse with them confidently and be able to convince them that you are have the right attitude and are confident that you are a fast learner, why wouldn't they give you an opportunity?

cloudysky

我当时说的是用手动的....

别鄙视我,一般个人电脑备份那用啥软件.

你可以说你自己写script备份。。。。不用别人的软件。
missmia 发表于 2009-12-7 19:11

cloudysky

Ya you are right. That's why I answered them straightly away that, I backup manually.

Tough sometimes it could be hard to maintain a "postive" attitude if you keep receiving rejection emails and, when you have had enough, you would probably start to think about what went wrong...

u know what? you have to be more positive about the whole thing. If you are so negative starting from the begining, how do you expect to convince others when you yourself are not convinced that yo ...
117wik 发表于 2009-12-7 19:16

Foody

读master 没什么大的用处, 如果没有经验的话, certification也没多大用处. MS Certification 都有bible , 40-50道选择题几乎说明不了什么问题.  关键还是自身的水平. 这些在interview的时候一问就能问出来了. 如果是graduate job, 那完全就是拼成绩了, 一般来说成绩好的, 的确是水平高的. 大学成绩好的话,机会比较大, 而且平时对自己领域内的东西要自我更新, 最起码要显得你比较主动的学东西.  找IT 工作, 一半是运气, 而且第一份工作基本决定你以后的走向了.

Foody

去Intergen, Unisys 看看, 他们招graduate, 其他IT 公司很少招 graduate 的, 除非是有人resign 或者其他原因.

cloudysky

Ya, System/network admin, that's what I've been pursuing...
To be honest, I don't really think that a "Master" will do any good either. I read quite a few research dissertations produced by previous Canterbury master students and, I've no idea why they would like to spend their effort on this crap...

My way of looking at this is, what really interest you the most? If sys/network administration is something you can see yourself doing for the rest of your life, whether it will help you find a jo ...
117wik 发表于 2009-12-7 19:07

cloudysky

估计成绩好也不全然,还得看你学的什么...
至于运气嘛,哈,这经济危机刚好来的是时候.

读master 没什么大的用处, 如果没有经验的话, certification也没多大用处. MS Certification 都有bible , 40-50道选择题几乎说明不了什么问题.  关键还是自身的水平. 这些在interview的时候一问就能问出来了. 如果是 ...
Foody 发表于 2009-12-7 19:33

Foody

估计成绩好也不全然,还得看你学的什么...
至于运气嘛,哈,这经济危机刚好来的是时候.



cloudysky 发表于 2009-12-7 19:45

其他major 不好说, 如果cs 能门门拿A的话, 绝对不会差的.