光工程师的调查费用就超过100万，这200多个apartment房东怎么撑？

Bearonrun

名字就不提了（也不会私信）， 位置在奥克兰中区近郊的apartment群, 某花园，2000年后设计建造的。自数年前发现漏水和其他施工问题，一直在调查。

几个月前，替朋友到现场监控调查。现场除了几位扫描和切割的技工外，尚有7个Engineer,其中3人是Director，还有两位surveyor和1位QuanitySurveyor. 分别代表，Body corp/房东， 设计方，施工方，council.

设计和施工质量可以说不知所谓。 例如，窗户居然没有Flashing,怎么可能不漏水。所用的水泥板，设计的钢筋混凝土保护层应有35mm厚, 但实测只有15mm,如此薄的混凝土，怎能有效防止钢筋生锈。

我是替那两百多个房东难过，因为，光是付给代表他们工程师的费用，已经超过100万。这还不包括，重设计，补修，打官司的费用。他们面对的是何种压力？

Bearonrun

那位买了apartment， 家里水管响的朋友。确实这情况很烦人，你也应该走程序解决。可是你的问题和这200多个房东面对的，根本不算什么，零头都不到。

建议想买apartment的网友们，小心谨慎些。

Chatbox

出事政府会承担一部分费用的

都是变相的从广大房东地税里抽的，这才是真正的羊毛出在羊身上。其实这笔钱应该是政府官员工资里扣。

号称民主国家，和黑帮作风有哪些区别?更smart?

Chatbox

大部分人都是羊，其实对于政府高薪官员的奖惩，完全可以靠大众的力量实现。

不玩政治游戏，不去合理利用制度，弱势的典型特征。

auckland.clark

这里的apartment，有点毒品的感觉，也有点妓女的感觉，不能碰。

V7

apartment是很危险的，这么多都出了问题，是我们压根就没有建造apartment的能力吗？

blowjoy

Council也有责任，Bella Vista房东拒绝settlement把Tauranga Council告上法庭了

呼啸寒风

新西兰国会大厦beehive都漏水，何况草民住的房子

Chatbox

blowjoy 发表于 2018-7-31 15:22
Council也有责任，Bella Vista房东拒绝settlement把Tauranga Council告上法庭了

没用的，康嫂你不去告，它也会赔付一部分。告了，最多多一点，还可能不会多。

时间精力律师，草民是负担不起的。所以我认为必须和政府官员直接挂钩，高薪必须有风险才行。西方社会，只有和个人信用直接挂钩，才能有效率和作用。

NewLynnHse

所以最好不要碰公寓，留给大神级的投资家去玩吧

bungyjumping999

many people who got involved with leaky homes claim ended up in "broken family" and "suicidal" due to financial stress.

It helped in the last few years when property prices hiked and people didn't talk much about it.

It looked like this issue is now back in focus. It also brought me back to the memory lane when I worked for the government in dealing with this issue in 2007.

"10 years on, how NZ is holding up on leaky homes crisis?"

Chatbox

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-7-31 15:58
many people who got involved with leaky homes claim ended up in "broken family" and "suicidal" due t ...

How did the government handle the issue? By red stamps? By kicking the ball around? Seems the owners' options are to commit suicide or use Neymar roll in front of the public. Neither work anyway.

bungyjumping999

Chatbox 发表于 2018-7-31 16:25
How did the government handle the issue? By red stamps?

In the last 10 years:  what needs to be reported are already reported in the media. You judge for yourself, how did the government do in helping, facilitating the crisis?

Basically, it ended up spending more money and more resources. who are the opportunists, making money in this crisis?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12098276

NewLynnHse

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-7-31 16:31
In the last 10 years:  what needs to be reported are already reported in the media. You judge for y ...

Ironically in 2000, the Herald reported the start of this apartment:

Apartment lifestyle: Parnell Terraces offers quality
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/prope ... &objectid=14482

Sounds a bit funny now when they boasted about the developer, architects, quality, etc, but still ended up being a leaky building...haha

ysm860929

auckland.clark 发表于 2018-7-31 14:30
这里的apartment，有点毒品的感觉，也有点妓女的感觉，不能碰。

默默许毒品泛滥妓女放荡的源头就应该是政府了

Marill

新西兰就这个水平

公寓能不碰就不碰

说实在，新西兰不需要那么多人，人来多了也管不好。人口一密集基本就傻眼了，房子交通设施，都是大问题。

bungyjumping999

NewLynnHse 发表于 2018-7-31 17:10
Ironically in 2000, the Herald reported the start of this apartment:

Apartment lifestyle: Parnell ...

I have seen many award-winning houses by some so-called architects ended up leaking. Many ran away to Australia in 2008s era. Many victims' houses are immigrants.


This is NZ issues, a lot of cracks in this society if you stay long enough to see. You are right to advise some people here to go back to China, it is a good advice, really.

rickenqwe

党中央 发表于 2018-7-31 20:54
中区近郊？st lukes garden？

好像挺符合的，，，，前同事就在负责这个项目的翻新设计

Bearonrun

rickenqwe 发表于 2018-7-31 21:37
好像挺符合的，，，，前同事就在负责这个项目的翻新设计

你的同事在哪个公司工作？

NewLynnHse

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-7-31 20:14
I have seen many award-winning houses by some so-called architects ended up leaking. Many ran away  ...

Yep, I'm very serious when I advise some people to go back to China.

The construction sector in NZ is just a joke, and the council is 白痴中的战斗机。。。哈哈

猩猩都叫兽

NewLynnHse 发表于 2018-7-31 23:23
Yep, I'm very serious when I advise some people to go back to China.

The construction sector in N ...

白痴中的战斗机 是不是应该翻译成　white pig fight plane

rickenqwe

Bearonrun 发表于 2018-7-31 22:00
你的同事在哪个公司工作？

前同事了。。。。。我辞职了，  mm开头的公司

Skywalker123

St Lukes Garden.....

摇头叹息啊，眼看它起高楼，眼看它楼塌了……

Turtle2017

党中央 发表于 2018-7-31 21:47
我感觉那片公寓没啥旧了....翻新花的功夫不一定比推了重新盖要少吧。

不愧是党中央派来的。说话也Make Sense.

V7

那个楼很阴冷

Bearonrun

V7 发表于 2018-8-2 12:23
那个楼很阴冷

你住过 ST Lukes Garden 吗？

V7

Bearonrun 发表于 2018-8-3 11:24
你住过 ST Lukes Garden 吗？

我朋友曾经住在那边，我在一个大晴天下午去他家玩，真的是很冷，很冷。

trdeyoualbert

auckland.clark 发表于 2018-7-31 14:30
这里的apartment，有点毒品的感觉，也有点妓女的感觉，不能碰。

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