Any suggestions on how to improve English?

mirror0

I am having communication troubles at work since my English is not so good.
It has not been an issue for the past few years mainly because I was doingfinancial accounting , Reports & Journals. And colleagues at that time were quite tolerating.

Now I have been involved in budgeting & forecast& meeting in a very Kiwi company, Found my English is woefully inadequate to the task. Often I could not expressmy ideas clearly & People are losing patience.

Any helps? suggestions? Except more reading, I can’t think of any other practical ways .My problem probably more on Pronunciation and speaking. Is there a course that I can do ? Any one have any ideas???

I did ESOL 200 papers (writing & speaking) in Uni, did not found themuse fully in anyway at all.


Updates on Toastmaster Clubs.

Try 1, Glenfield Toastmasters- Hall rd every 2nd Wed. - Don't think will help much with speaking. Might be good for listening.

NewLynnHse

你这英文，老实说，我觉得已经很不错了
记得念书的时候，老师说要多看英文书

mwe23

wish that all managers in your company have basic accounting knowledge.

I don't like to talk to someone who doesn't know any accounting, stupid kiwi... sometimes, I throw the paper on their desk, and ask them to learn some basic accounting.

blindee

join your local toast master club and speak up~
It comes to a matter of practice rather than any institutional trainig~

pAtrick

看起来你是说得不好，而不是写得不好

多跟人说说话吧，没有别的办法

Nimitz

you need a group of friend who speak English. or go to church.
right now, you need to have one very good friend in your company give you idea how to do the work, in both way to do the work and express your idea.
No panic.

无过

找花花练口语....女生免费

花天堂

无过 发表于 2013-5-2 13:00
找花花练口语....女生免费

你才有空

Dracoz

1) 先把想要表达的一一列出来，给自己先讲一遍
2）事先先了解你的听众对数字了解多少，想想他们会问些什么
3）别忘了。。managers 只管业务， 只要sale margin， gross margin 算准了就不错了
4） 别紧张， 发表意见时放慢速度， 没什么大不了的
5）文件上可以加些bullet points，
6）  要有自信， 别让他们骑在你头上！ 以后就不好办了！
7） 对你准备的文件要充分， 尤其对那个部门不满意的时候， 你会遭到各种攻击， 当他们到没话可说后， 又各种方式责怪你。。。
8） 你的书写， 没什么大问题， 估计就是缺乏锻炼， 对自己没信心是关键。。。一紧张就乱套 （我猜得）
7）记得将来要做到。。部门赚不赚钱， target 多少， 你说了算！
8）部门经理十有八九都横。。难免的，

三分五毛的人给三分五毛的见解。。。。见谅

mirror0

blindee 发表于 2013-5-2 12:50
join your local toast master club and speak up~
It comes to a matter of practice rather than any in ...

Thanks so much for your suggestion.

Would you enlight me on the whereabouts I can find the toast master clubs?

无过

花天堂 发表于 2013-5-2 13:05
你才有空

我的口语很差....所以有空也没用...
你就能者多劳吧

花天堂

mirror0 发表于 2013-5-2 13:32
Thanks so much for your suggestion.

Would you enlight me on the whereabouts I can find the toa ...

do a google search and you will find them.

immerse yourslef in their culture and you'll be right.

花天堂

无过 发表于 2013-5-2 13:33
我的口语很差....所以有空也没用...
你就能者多劳吧

my Mouth Rain is shxt too its despicable lol

mirror0

Nimitz 发表于 2013-5-2 12:56
you need a group of friend who speak English. or go to church.
right now, you need to have one very ...

I am not religious at all, Should I still go to church? & which one? any recommendations?

I would like to make some friends within my professions at this company, but seems really difficult. There are few non-native English speakers around here, and be honest, I can feel their impatience.

That is why I really want to improve my english so that I can get arond as a normal person.

无过

花天堂 发表于 2013-5-2 13:36
my Mouth Rain is shxt too its despicable lol

NND的，我看了半天才明白mouth rain....

mirror0

Dracoz 发表于 2013-5-2 13:14
1) 先把想要表达的一一列出来，给自己先讲一遍
2）事先先了解你的听众对数字了解多少，想想他们会问些什么 ...

Thanks for your suggestions but Problem is not the presentation which I normally would make effort to prepare.

I have troubles just with daily work discussions ,meetings, I am doing project/job accounting. It's a constant job to discuss issues with PMs ,Managers & other accountants.
My previous jobs was more on the financials , which I've know better. But now it's now often involves discussion on the operations which I am lack of English words to elaborate on any matters. Once I do have any ideas, I need to think it over (where people losing patience) and use simple words which obviously got their limitations.

And I am not really top on the chain in this profession, but already feel so desperately inadequate.

花天堂

mirror0 发表于 2013-5-2 13:44
I am not religious at all, Should I still go to church? & which one? any recommendations?

I wou ...

dont make "friends" within the organisation that you work for...

they are your colleagues and that should really be it.

If you want to improve your English, for your situation, sign up as a volunteer for Red Cross or whatever group there is.

阿海

watch the 6 o'clock news.

think in english, don't think in chinese

talk more with your colleagues, and make them known that you welcome corrections to your english

watch more english soaps, movies etc

阿海

花天堂 发表于 2013-5-2 13:56
dont make "friends" within the organisation that you work for...

they are your colleagues and t ...

women need emotional connection with others, and they need to speak out 10,000 words a day.

so make friends with colleagues is ok la, otherwise she will get isolated and withdrawn.

woohu

你现在没啥信心，是因为你刚转到新的职位，当你混上一段时间就完全没问题了。所以你也不用特意的去学习英文。你在工作外学的英文大部分对你的工作帮助都不大，相信我，我是过来人。哈哈

mirror0

woohu 发表于 2013-5-2 14:04
你现在没啥信心，是因为你刚转到新的职位，当你混上一段时间就完全没问题了。所以你也不用特意的去学习英文 ...

I have been in this position for 5 months.

I actually feel more and more unconfident

woohu

那只能多花时间准备和理解开会的资料，开会前，你就提早1，2小时去准备。这样在开会中你就会很有把据跟信心。脸色厚点，不用怕被人笑。熟能生巧嘛，你行的。。

mirror0

花天堂 发表于 2013-5-2 13:56
dont make "friends" within the organisation that you work for...

they are your colleagues and t ...

About that Toastmaster Clubs, do they normally welcome 2nd language speakers?

花天堂

mirror0 发表于 2013-5-2 14:18
About that Toastmaster Clubs, do they normally welcome 2nd language speakers?

yes.

my ex used to go frequently.

阿海

mirror0 发表于 2013-5-2 14:18
About that Toastmaster Clubs, do they normally welcome 2nd language speakers?

Yes you should join Toastmaster Clubs.

The Club is to improve speaking abilities of members, so as long as you want to improve your english, what ever native language doesn't matter

mirror0

阿海 发表于 2013-5-2 14:21
Yes you should join Toastmaster Clubs.

The Club is to improve speaking abilities of members, so ...

Cool.  Thanks guys

Nimitz

mirror0 发表于 2013-5-2 13:44
I am not religious at all, Should I still go to church? & which one? any recommendations?

I wou ...

buy some gifts to one of them who is kind and helpful. not expensive gift.

taikyoku

花天堂 发表于 2013-5-2 13:36
my Mouth Rain is shxt too its despicable lol

mouth rain, that's a cool word....

想个名字真头疼

这位妹妹之前印象中你是在中学里面做事的不是？莫非我记错了？

viper77

find an English speaking boy friend, lol.  all emotions conversation involved. and Better be a well educated, improve your culture as well.
Or, try make connections with elderlies in neighbourhood, they LOVE someone who want to talk.