阿海请进， 关于水费中的fixed charges

maluo

当时和我的房客签好合同，水费由房客付， 现在房客提出来水费 中fixed charges 应该是由房东付， 这合理吗? 哪里可以查到相关规定吗？ 谢谢阿海和各位帮助。

阿海

residential tenancies act 1986 规定water and waste water fixed charges是landlord给的。。。

不公平，但没办法。。。

Grassheaven

那就漲房租了麻痺的

maluo

谢谢阿海和花花的回复

masterq

我和你情況一樣,個租客拿著水費單找上門來要我付fixed charges,一個月17.70,我說你先交了吧,我二個月一次付你好了~~

ch51019

http://www.dbh.govt.nz/water-charges
For tenancies that commence after September 2010, it is no longer necessary to record in the tenancy agreement that the tenant will pay for metered water. The tenant is responsible for outgoings that are exclusively attributable to that tenant. This includes electricity, gas, phone and metered water.
這個官網的意思是租客自己使用的，包括水，應該就是租客付的，除非合同寫其他的協議

我的失败与伟大

阿海 发表于 2013-2-13 20:03
residential tenancies act 1986 规定water and waste water charges是landlord给的。。。

不公平，但没 ...

没有这样的规定吧，租房合同上有写水费是可以选择房东或者房客付的, 只要说好了就行了_

ch51019

阿海 发表于 2013-2-13 20:03
residential tenancies act 1986 规定water and waste water charges是landlord给的。。。

不公平，但没 ...

Under the Residential Tenancies Act 1986, a tenant is responsible for water charges, where the supplier charges for water on the basis of consumption.

Where the water supplier contracts with the landlord, and the landlord passes the obligation to pay water charges on to the tenant, the tenant is obliged to pay the water charges. If the tenant pays the charges but the landlord does not pay the water supplier and the water is disconnected, the landlord may be held responsible to pay for the reconnection of the water supply.

這寫的很清楚，我的理解是水費的account是房東的，因為房東有責provide水給房客用。但租客是得繳水費的，租客自己用多少就繳多少，若房客繳水費給房東，但房東卻沒把水費繳給水公司，然後導致斷水，房東則得負責任

ch51019

阿海 发表于 2013-2-13 20:03
residential tenancies act 1986 规定water and waste water charges是landlord给的。。。

不公平，但没 ...

Under the Residential Tenancies Act 1986, a tenant is responsible for water charges, where the supplier charges for water on the basis of consumption.

Where the water supplier contracts with the landlord, and the landlord passes the obligation to pay water charges on to the tenant, the tenant is obliged to pay the water charges. If the tenant pays the charges but the landlord does not pay the water supplier and the water is disconnected, the landlord may be held responsible to pay for the reconnection of the water supply.

這寫的很清楚，我的理解是水費的account是房東的，因為房東有責provide水給房客用。但租客是得繳水費的，租客自己用多少就繳多少，若房客繳水費給房東，但房東卻沒把水費繳給水公司，然後導致斷水，房東則得負責任

NewLynnHse

masterq 发表于 2013-2-13 20:12
我和你情況一樣,個租客拿著水費單找上門來要我付fixed charges,一個月17.70,我說你先交了吧,我二個月一次付 ...

上次还看你说你也是让租客付的

ch51019

我找不到這相關的規定哦，除非你是招房客（你跟他們住同一個屋簷下），房客只需付他的用量的費用，所以fixed charge 他也只需付他的部分

masterq

NewLynnHse 发表于 2013-2-13 21:43
上次还看你说你也是让租客付的

這是上一個租客呀,圣誕節前回流韓國了,以前她全數付清的,現在的租客也是棒子,他拿著水費單和我講數,水費單分三部分,water,wastewater和fixed charges,后來我打電話問我做房地產租屋經紀的朋友,她說fixed charges應該由我付,沒辦法,只好照啃了.

Anonymous

学习鸟。。。

NewLynnHse

ch51019 发表于 2013-2-13 20:47
我找不到這相關的規定哦，除非你是招房客（你跟他們住同一個屋簷下），房客只需付他的用量的費用，所以fixe ...

在这里：

http://www.dbh.govt.nz/landlord-enewsletter-22#water

Who’s responsible for fixed water charges and waste water charges

For tenancies that commenced after September 2010, tenants may be charged for waste water, if the wastewater charge is exclusively attributable to the tenant's use. Some water suppliers now include calculations of waste water by reference to water supplied.

Landlords can figure out whether the tenant is responsible for waste water charges ‘exclusively attributable’ to the tenant’s use by checking the calculation of waste water based on water consumption which is included by some water suppliers.

However, the component of a waste water charge that is a fixed charge does not fall in the category of being ‘exclusively attributable’ to the tenant’s use. That fixed charge is the responsibility of the landlord. As a fixed charge it is an expense that is incurred whether or not the premises are occupied.

NewLynnHse

我的失败与伟大 发表于 2013-2-13 20:35
没有这样的规定吧，租房合同上有写水费是可以选择房东或者房客付的, 只要说好了就行了_

有这个规定，看14楼

NewLynnHse

masterq 发表于 2013-2-13 20:53
這是上一個租客呀,圣誕節前回流韓國了,以前她全數付清的,現在的租客也是棒子,他拿著水費單和我講數,水費單 ...

嗯，这个新的租客比较精

masterq

After reading the details it should be the landlord paying the fixed charges. Can't be helped; Ill pay the fixed charges.

masterq

NewLynnHse 发表于 2013-2-13 21:59
嗯，这个新的租客比较精

租時還和我講价,之后油屋頂,要我移走個spa,花了我近五千元,唉,很不爽.

我的失败与伟大

NewLynnHse 发表于 2013-2-13 21:55
有这个规定，看14楼

看了。不过看完更晕了。

我房客自己付水费的啊，单子寄来她直接去付，难道应该我付?

NewLynnHse

我的失败与伟大 发表于 2013-2-13 21:48
看了。不过看完更晕了。

我房客自己付水费的啊，单子寄来她直接去付，难道应该我付?

这个。。。你看着办吧。。。嘿嘿

我的失败与伟大

我在七楼的意思是，阿海二楼写的是" residential tenancies act 1986 规定water and waste water charges是landlord给的。。。"  

ie，阿海说的是water and waste water房东付，不是fixed charge，所以我才说没有这个规定

阿海

我的失败与伟大 发表于 2013-2-13 22:51
我在七楼的意思是，阿海二楼写的是" residential tenancies act 1986 规定water and waste water charges是 ...

我的意思就是fixed charges啊。

汗，2年多回答问题第一次没表达正确我要表达的被你们抓到了

maluo

The problem is that i have agreement, tenant pay "full water rate", full water rate should include fixed charges, right? Tenant paid it for whole year already, now she ask me to pay back.

NewLynnHse

maluo 发表于 2013-2-14 10:17
The problem is that i have agreement, tenant pay "full water rate", full water rate should include f ...

哈哈。。。很想看到最后谁赢，不知道你这样挑战tenancy act，如果闹上tribunal，tribunal会不会让你把钱退回去。记得来update

阿海

maluo 发表于 2013-2-14 11:17
The problem is that i have agreement, tenant pay "full water rate", full water rate should include f ...

和约的condition也要符合residential tenancies act吧。。。

NewLynnHse

YelenaBelova 发表于 2013-2-14 12:08
其实我都可以当投资板斑竹呀.....

你要的话可以上监督版申请啊

NewLynnHse

YelenaBelova 发表于 2013-2-14 12:12
你推荐吧.................我真的很强的..........不骗你的..............

我跟你不熟。。。