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5月8日更新：
已经通知TV33.
4月1日我在投诉的同时，就把这些东西发给大使馆和本地电视台了。TV33还不错，做了一期节目。我也被逼着上了一次电视。别的地方都没有回复 --- 中国当官，只求无过便好，不知望他们。
我也再说一遍，我维护的不是中国政府，我维护的是，一个新西兰公民反对偏见，获得准确公正信息的权利。
有人说，中国的媒体不更是如此吗？当然，中国的媒体谎言一堆。我从来就只是把中国的官方媒体当作参考资料来看待，我有充足的渠道去看BBC, 半岛，纽约时报，台湾/香港媒体来平衡我所获得的信息。应为我们懂得双语，哪怕在中国有屏蔽，我想翻墙看还是可以翻墙看。
可新西兰人呢？有多少人会去，或能看中文的报道？
这就导致了本地的英文媒体独大，实现了话语权的垄断。对于垄断话语权的媒体，我当然要对其有更高的要求。
====================================== 5月7日更新：
收到 BSA (Broadcasting Standards Authority) Legal Manager, Patricia Windle 的回信。告诉我他们已经为我的投诉立案。并问了一些我的个人情况。
BSA处理投诉很快，赞一个。
还是那句话，不期待TV One认错，但，我起码要给他们制造些“麻烦”, 让他们下次作节目时更多地做更全面的调查。
====================================== 上次投诉，在第20天收到了一封10页长的回信。我算了算，共28000个字符，共4800字。反正写得比我多。 能认真地回复就不错了，其实我也不期待他们“认错”。
当然，认真回复了，不代表我就不说话了。该说的话还是要说的。
已经把投诉提交给了BSA.
下面是信的原文。
不知道故事来龙去脉的朋友，可以看：http://bbs.skykiwi.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2292320
为了同学们看得轻松，我也配了简单的中文翻译：
This is to follow my complain made on 1st April, and, reply received on 30th April 2013 as in attachment.
I appreciate the reply received from TVNZ, however, I'm not satisfied with the decision.
I still have questions about some statements TV One Sunday made:
回信已经收到，但不甚满意。对两个论断仍感困惑： Statement one:"Chinese use slave to produce many products for western countries as highly-profitable business".
论断一 ”中国使用奴隶专为西方国家生产产品赢取暴利"
-- "slave" is not a proper word for "prison labour". At least, not a "neuter" word to describe prison labour. 1) I understand we have just announced 40-hours of work a week for inmates in plan. Are you saying NZ is a country supports slave system? 2) "Slave" is not a right word to replace "forced prison labour". Just like you should not use the word "kidnaping" for "taking into custody"
奴隶一词不妥，如同不能用“绑架”取代“逮捕”。新西兰不也要推行囚犯劳动吗？
-- "to" western market or "for" western market? 1) China had prohibited the exportation of any product rated to or made by prisoners in 1991. See Custom's website below: http://www.customs.gov.cn/publis ... e1147/info10505.htm(Chinese Custom's website). 2) As far as I know, that's more & more difficult to export prisoner made products in China since 1991, especially to Western markets. More difficult mains higher cost (more bribe & higher risk for example). 3) The programme used the word "for", which means dedicated to. Why Chinese prohibit the exporting to other countries like Iran, North Korea, Afghanistan? Why all prison factories should produce products "for" western countries only?
“为”西方国家生产的“为”字不妥，为何中国禁止向其他国家的出口呢？再者，1991年中国已开始严禁囚犯产品出口了。
-- "highly profitable" business. Are you sure? 1) From your programme, Danny claim he hand-made these inductors, as they can't use machines. From the programme, I saw these inductors were selling for $0.01 to max $0.03/piece, price negotiable if buy 1000 piece. If Danny can make one inductor every minute, and, he work 12hours a day no stop. he could make 720 inductors by hands, which worth $7.2 -$21.6. Minus the materials cost, commission, security check cost, quality check cost, re-packing cost, food, power, bribe etc. How much the factory can make? 2) Running a prison is higher cost than running a factory. In Guangdong, you can pay as less as RMB1000/month to hire a professional young worker, but, you will need to pay RMB5000-7000/month to hire a police officer to teach / monitor / guard these worst criminals in varying ages & skill. I was told we have to spend NZ$30,000/year to look after one prisoner. I dont know the cost in China. but I'm sure that will be a bad business. Worse if deal with foreign prisoners, as the prison will have to pay much higher salary to hire the officers who can speak multi-language. 3) Danny said he made all sorts of goods. headsets, inductors, cloths. A good factory should only dedicate on one product. as they dont have to train the worker for different skills. again, bad business.4) If I was to run a pension factory as business, I would bring the prisoners to the place like quarry --- no product quality check, no skill required, hard labour, better profit, much easier to be managed/monitored.
“高利润” 不切实际。按Danny自述，就算他每天连续工作12小时，每分钟手卷一个线圈，一天也不过能做720个线圈。售价仅为 $7.2，何来暴利？
Statement two:"We love cheap products from China, but do you know many of them are made by salve" “论断二，我们喜欢中国生产的廉价产品，你是否知道他们许多是奴隶生产的？”
-- "many"? how many is "many"?
1) I might remember the whole statement wrong, but I do remember TV One used the word "many". All adjectives are comparative, when you used the word "many", what's that based on? 2) Could you please just name ONE product which is made by "slave"? have you report what you found to Chinese's Custom and/or Chinese Embassy? Because that's against Chinese law. 3) Exporting prison factory products just like exporting drugs, which is illegal in China. but the impression I got from the Sunday was, Chinese products are cheap, because they use "salve", we need to be very carefully when purchasing Chinese product.
“许多”？多少算许多？只要是形容词，必是比较级。所谓“许多” 是基于什么标准？能给出哪怕是一个例子吗？
Moreover, I do not accept that Sunday did balanced report.
Just like if you are making a programme about me, but you have never tried to talk to me, but only talk to the persons against me. You selected the person / organization to talk to. I don't believe the result you got would be true & fair.
Sunday only talked to the persons & organizations who against China or Chinese Prison Labour system, but did not talk to that Jail, that victims family, Chinese Embassy, Chinese Custom. Sunday did not even talk to the parties such as New Zealand Embassy in China, New Zealand Custom, New Zealand-China Trade organizations and New Zealanders who support Prison Labour System. Remember, importing/exporting prison factory products just like importing/exporting drugs, which is illegal in both New Zealand & China.
节目评论及为不平衡。 如果你做个关于我的节目，你不能不找我谈，只选择性地找反对我的人谈。节目中，并没有采访任何受害人、大使馆、海关、贸易机构等等。
The BSA recognises that allowing the free and frank expression of a wide range of views is a necessary part of living in a democracy. As a Chinese New Zealander, I am proud to be living in a democracy. Yes, we need wide range of views, not just the views to support your existing prejudices. That's why I read/watch TV One, BBC, AI Jazeera, NY Times, CCTV (China Network Television) & other media from Taiwan/Hongkong. I also use my own contact to do research as well.
check your own facebook, you will find most people do not support your views (btw, they are not Chinese): Eman Matthews: Do the crime,, do the time Harry Reader: Have lived and worked in China for 2 years without problems. When in Rome do as the Romans do. This story reeks of nonsense and lies Robyn Pooley: Danny, you KILLED someone and you only got 4 years! Consider yourself lucky! I rather NZ have a jail system like China's, where peasants like you have to actually work for your food, instead of the taxpayers keeping you peasants alive at $60k per person per year. Mike O'Brien: Yeah I agree with Harry. This guys story sounds extremely bogus. I deal with China ALL the time and don't have problems, in fact I'm going there for 3 weeks next month. I'm visiting 10 different factories so Amnesty can rest easy as I don't think I'll be seeing any tortured prisoners in these factories. Eman Matthews: Great insight into chinese penal system....i will be voting for the party that brings this in for sure Jac Grindley: Well he was a criminal in a prison... his mother died while he was there. Its not a soft option prison. People are there for the crimes they commit, and lets NOT lose sight of the fact danny boi commited a crime. He was treated the same as the other prisoners... oh dear no special treatment... Do the crime then the time. Yes no one deserves torture for sure but if you do the crime in a country that punishes like that maybe a deterant to NOT COMMIT CRIME in those countries... ie take the life of another persom... Robyn Pooley: Why pick on China? The 13th Amendment of the American Constitution in 1865 explicitly allows penal labour as it states that "neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labour
(在回信中，TVOne声称）在一个民主国家展示广泛的意见是重要的。作为一个华人新西兰人，我为此自豪，我也要求能够看到不同的观点，但TVOne并没有给我们这个机会。 看看自己的facebook吧，大多数人（并非华人），并不支持你们的这一期节目。
Here are some information I found:here is one of the report from a Chinese private owned website:http://www.360doc.com/content/12/0807/17/10526116_228867876.shtml I found this report from Gospel Times http://www.gospeltimes.cn/news/2012_05_18/20011.htm
The impression I got from these reports are, Danny had been treated nicely in China. I am not saying these reports are 100% correct. but, Sunday did not give the public the chance to listen to another side of the story, such as Danny's letter (in attachment).
From my research, I found a lot information which different to what's in the programme. such as, the reason of the killing, the detail of the killing, the adjudgment, the treatment in the jail etc.
I also did some research via my own contact. I was told that, in the last 10 years, that's more and more difficult to export prison factory products, especially to western countries. Actually, in early 2013, Chinese state-run media Xinhua reported that the country plans to reform its "controversial re-education through labor system this year."
I understand the human right condition in Chinese jails is terrible. However, from my study I found that foreign prisoners, especially from western countries, would be treated carefully in China. Because they are monitored by their embassies. Unfair treatment might result diplomatic crisis. Labour is very cheap in China. One labour like Danny might only worth NZ$100/month to a factory, but the political/diplomatic risk is very high. 我也自行作了调查，得到的结果大相径庭。根据我的调查，外籍囚犯（尤其是西方国家）都会被小心对待，因为不想惹起外交风波。
If this programme is telling the truths, then why our government/embassy did nothing while our citizen was abused overseas? Why our Custom did nothing while "many" product made by salve came to New Zealand? Should we still trust our government/embassy/custom? or, should we still trust TV One?
如果节目说的都是真实的，我们的政府/大使馆在我们的公民被虐待时在干什么？我们的海关在大量奴隶制品涌进新西兰时又在干什么？我不因该再相信政府/海关，还是不该再相信TV One?
Come back to the word "Slaves'", which was the title of that programme. You call that "forced labour", sure it is, that why we always use the word "enforcement". In army, if your commander ask you to dig a trench and you refused to. You could be executed on the spot. If a prisoner is required to turn the lights off at 9:00pm and he refused to, don't expect the guards will beg him. If you are required to pay your fine and you refused to, your property could be seized.
再说“奴隶”，“奴隶”是被迫劳动，没错。在部队里如果命你挖战壕你不挖，可能会被就地处决；在监狱里如果要你9点关灯你不关，狱警也不会求你；就算你不交罚单，你的财产也会被没收。执法本就是“强制”的不是。
I am now rising this complaint to BSA. The Sunday programme "Slaves" on 31st March 2013 was just like the programme title, is a programme full of prejudice, lies and unfair. 特此将投诉提交BSA. | 
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