800刀的水费！！！住CBD的筒子伤不起啊！！！！

.紫幻姬.

因为水费，最近搞的心力憔悴。事情原因如下

因为房东把房子卖掉，上个月末我们被迫搬家，但4月份接手房子的新房东却不肯退我们bond，他说他收到一份巨额水费单子，从2月到6月末，4个多月的时间我们用了800多刀的水！我们检查过了屋里屋外都没有漏水的情况，看了water meter reading，从2月24号到6月30号，我们2对couple，一共用了166 Kl的水。属于正常范围内的用水量。

由于小区由Croker的Body Corperate管理，房东不退钱，也不想管了，无奈我们只能自己联系小区物业。物业的人说他们没有错，水费是$1.619/Kl, 还有一项收费是waste water，waste water就是排污费，是$3.881/Kl, 也就是说，除了正常的水费，我们还需要负担比水费高过2倍多的排污费，这就是为什么造成了昂贵的水费单子。

我彻底郁闷了，CBD住不起啊，水费尼玛比电费都高啊！！难道住city的童鞋、筒子们都要缴纳这么昂贵的水费单子么？？？？？？

爱淘小隅

的确贵得太离谱了。。。。

rynonz

搬去manukau吧 ，那里水免费

NewLynnHse

没听说过水费会估算的，都是三个月读一次。中区都是这个价，我们住mt wellington,五个人三个月将近400
S2000 发表于 2011-8-16 00:14

我们上一次水费就是估算的，可能因为院子门锁了不能进来读．

S2000

还有一种可能是前二趟是估计的数，没读表，这次才读表，假如以前估少了，这次的帐单就会超贵~~
NZKIWIBOY 发表于 2011-7-17 13:01

没听说过水费会估算的，都是三个月读一次。中区都是这个价，我们住mt wellington,五个人三个月将近400

被猪追过的夏day

3人 3月  130

Lilynz2011

中区的水费是很贵的，不光是在City。我家3个大人，1个小孩，每月水费90左右，18KL。你们多了我们的一倍。我们也是租的房，不用浇花园，也没有洗车。老实讲我觉得你们用水太多了，今后可以稍微注意一点就可以省很多的。洗澡的时间太长，每天都在洗，每次10分钟足够了。衣服也可以一周一次。其实做饭用水不会太多。主要是洗澡和洗衣机。有的房东当初承认包水费，如果后面水费太多超过他们的预算，他们当然会不高兴，想办法赖账。如果合同中有写也还好点，没有写刚好他们就不认帐了。所以我觉得租房情愿不要房东包水电，房租便宜一点就好，反正是羊毛出在羊身上。免得今后为水电费闹得不愉快。

dora1986

这个也太贵了 你般吧

Eyeport

谈完了，谈崩了，只能等中介来调解了，就算调节，胜算不大。

因为，根据Eyeport说的那几条租客应该付水费的情况，和我们挺相符的。我们有独立的水表，Water Care Service Ltd委托Body Corperate的物业，根据水表的 ...
.紫幻姬. 发表于 2011-8-5 20:38

just go tribunal and kick his fat ass

1. do you still have your old tenancy agreement signed with your previous landlord?

2. if so, when the apartment was handed over to the new owner, there should be a clause in their Sale and Purcahse agreement stating there's an existing tenancy and it will remain for x months with the very SAME tenancy terms. legally, your ex-landlord is responsible in making sure of this smooth tenancy transition. and they could be your best witness (otherwise they will be liable for it). and if your ex-landlord did his/her work properly, your current landlord CANNOT deny the term about water payments.

3. who did u pay ur bond to? old landlord or the new one? did your landlord lodge the bond money to the department of building and housing? if unsure, the simplest indication is that you have NEVER been asked to sign a Bond Lodgement Form by your landlord. Your landlord MUST pay the bond to the Department of Building and Housing. Failure to do so is deemed to be an unlawful act of landlord. If that's the case your landlord will stand no ground.

TheSuede

去tribunal去吧。反正是免费的。
不要以为没签就可以为所欲为，有第三人证么
很多工资什么的，也是这样，中国老板欺负中国人口头答应，后来告上法庭，一样败诉

.紫幻姬.

谈完了，谈崩了，只能等中介来调解了，就算调节，胜算不大。

因为，根据Eyeport说的那几条租客应该付水费的情况，和我们挺相符的。我们有独立的水表，Water Care Service Ltd委托Body Corperate的物业，根据水表的走数来收取水费。唯一一点不清楚的就是在tenancy agreetment里，关于水费一项，我们并没有做出任何说明。这点对我们也非常不利。

在Agreetment里第5条“The tenant shall/shall not pay for any metered water provided to the premises”这项里，是空白的，房东没圈上shall， 也没圈shall not， 所以不知道中介会怎么判断。

老头很阴险，他口头上答应包水费，但不写在agreetment里，当天是我LG去签的合同，男孩子心粗，也就忘记了。造成今天这个局面。提醒广大网友注意，租房时，除了添那些必要的空格，一定不要忘记圈上水费这项，避免我房东赖账的情况出现。

整件事的背景是：我们租了CBD一幢独立的2层unit，签的合同是半年，从1月到7月，房费里包含了冷水费用，上限是300刀半年，超出的，由房客自己支付。4月，房东把房子出售，新房东接手房子，换了新合同，但因为我们签的是半年合同，所以我们强调即使中间房子换了主人，但不应该对租客产生任何影响，新房东同意，房费不变，所有条件不便，只是合同里的房主一栏换了名字而已。到7月份合约自动终止，我们搬出。

搬出来后，房东不退bond，拿出一份原价800多，打完折600多刀的水费找到我们，我们觉得对水费很吃惊，四处打听，得知CBD区域收水费和高于水费2倍的排污费，所以造成水贵。既然水费没有问题，那按照合约所说的，我们很高兴付超支的水费，也就是600多减去房东应该包的上限300刀，我们可以其他300多刀。但新房东翻脸不认账，耍赖说他不包水费，以前房东包，是以前的事。他就不包。我们质问他，之前说过几次房租包含水费，你不是没有异议么？他说，反正没写到合同里，爱哪告哪告去。

碰到无赖，没办法，人那么老了，活的还这么垃圾，没有信誉。不如死了算了。

keane910

现在的钱 都不是钱啊  。。。。。。

ivy313

好多钱啊

水木一树

800刀的水费是会吓死人的

TheSuede

怎麼跟我小名那麼像。。
BabyG 发表于 2011-7-28 16:25

不要和小鸡鸡弄混了。。。

市川由衣

dddddddddddddddddddd

BabyG

叫小肌就好了。。。。
TheSuede 发表于 2011-7-28 16:23

怎麼跟我小名那麼像。。

TheSuede

肌哥這名字太給力了~~

btw 希望談判有好結果~~
BabyG 发表于 2011-7-28 15:41

叫小肌就好了。。。。

BabyG

肌哥這名字太給力了~~

btw 希望談判有好結果~~

Eyeport

太感谢eyeport和肌哥了！！！！我今天下午就要和前房东去谈判了。。。还不知道结果会如何，但你们给我提供的资料，让我作足了功课，我可以和他争辩一下了。晚上回来和你们报告事情的进展！

再次感谢！！！;4 ...
.紫幻姬. 发表于 2011-7-28 14:51

most welcome. glad that it helped.

.紫幻姬.

太感谢eyeport和肌哥了！！！！我今天下午就要和前房东去谈判了。。。还不知道结果会如何，但你们给我提供的资料，让我作足了功课，我可以和他争辩一下了。晚上回来和你们报告事情的进展！

再次感谢！！！

Eyeport

hiya! look, i found this info online:

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Who is responsible for wastewater bills?
I am in receipt of my rental property's bill from Manukau Water Ltd. The account is split for the first time into 2 parts. (1)"Water supplied= $35.36" (2)"Wastewater= $73.65"ie total a/c=$109.01. Tenant claims (2)above is landlord's responsibility to pay. In over 20years of renting properties I have never been expected to pay for(2)above and am of no intent to pay(2)now. Is it landlord's or tenant's responsibility to pay for "Wastewater"?

Our expert Jeff Montgomery responded:

The Residential Tenancies Act sets out the rights and responsibilities of residential tenants and landlords. The Act doesn’t expressly mention waste water charges. However, in the past the District Court has held that the tenant can be held liable for waste water charges when they are calculated based on metered consumption and all of the following criteria are met.

•1. The premises have a separate water meter; and
•2. The written tenancy agreement states that the tenant shall pay for metered water; and
•3. The water supplier charges for water provided to the premises on a metered basis.
Because the charge introduced by the Manukau Water Limited is not based on metered consumption it is unlikely that tenants will be liable to pay. Ultimately it will be up to the Tenancy Tribunal to determine how the Act applies to this type of charge. If tenants and landlords have a dispute they cannot solve themselves, they can call the Department of Building and Housing for information and advice on 0800 TENANCY (0800 83 62 62) or visit www.dbh.govt.nz.

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i think (1) applies to you and (2) you can deny since theres no clause stating u will need to pay for waste water. if in dispute in the worset situation you may be able to get your landlord to share half of the waste water cost...ring department of building and housing if unclear.

TheSuede

紫姐，放心吧
waste water是应该land lord来pay的，这不是metered water的一部分，你们只需要付metered water
Your current tenancy agreement should state whether the tenant pays water or not. Unless it specifically mentions waste water, which it won't, then landlord have to pay it until you change tenants and can get the water clause amended for the new tenants.

waste water是local government rates的一部分


作为一个也可能要北上的人，严重关注这个话题。。。

Eyeport

非常感谢您的回复。是这样的

1.他们的水单，大概一个季度来一次，房东已经把这份bill用邮件的形式发给了我。上面没有monthly或者daily的usage。只有这个period的总的用水量。

2. 用水量的问题，是正常的。我 ...
.紫幻姬. 发表于 2011-7-27 23:33

1. i mean you can reconcile with the previous bill to see if anything abnormal.
2. now that if you reckon its normal then thats fine.
3. verbal agreement is a form of agreement! it's just difficult to prove that it existed - which means either party can easily be in denial of such agreement, partly or fully, existed. do you have third party witnesses? anything in writing suggested such agreement existed? rent/bond/outgoings etc all should be clearly stated in the tenancy agreement to protect everybody's interest.

the reason why i said you should not be responsible for waste water was because:
a. it's normally not part of the tenancy agreement
b. owner is responsible for paying council rates
c. as many people said, waste water cost formed part of the council rates in many areas, so given that (b) is ture, it's logical to think that tenants should not be paying for waste water.

i have never paid any water bill by myself so i am not entirely sure about water bill stuff. but can ask around when i got time.

.紫幻姬.

LZ this is what you should do:

1. get the water bill from your landlord, ask for previous months water bills as well
2. if the water usage is unreasonably high, there must be a water leak. check u ...
Eyeport 发表于 2011-7-27 02:16

非常感谢您的回复。是这样的

1.他们的水单，大概一个季度来一次，房东已经把这份bill用邮件的形式发给了我。上面没有monthly或者daily的usage。只有这个period的总的用水量。

2. 用水量的问题，是正常的。我和周围的朋友比较了一下，5个月166kl的用水，不算惊人。朋友家5个月用水量158Kl， 我的166Kl，所以，我们用水量在正常值。

3.我到现在也不知道waste wate究竟应不应该房客支付。我们的合同里居然没有写关于水费的问题，这是一个大trouble。当时的房东是口头答应会和前一任卖给他房子的房东一样，包我们水费的，最多半年包300刀，超出来的，由我们自己支付。但很可惜，没写在合同里。只是口头答应。因为没写在合同里，他现在反悔了，连这300都不愿意包了。waste water是应该由房东来支付的吗？我真的不知道哎。。。闹不好，可能要上tenancy tribunal了。。。。

再次感谢您的关注和答复！

肉肉妈

太简单了

水费出错是经常的事情
如果你自己觉得肯定不正常
就找水务公司申诉
要详细用量说明
一查就明白了
不会多收的

hotty

兩年前住city cook st...三個人 水費和污水費 每個月差不多150  也是body corporate管理! 當時繳的我可鬱悶了!
半年後立馬搬家!

Eyeport

LZ this is what you should do:

1. get the water bill from your landlord, ask for previous months water bills as well
2. if the water usage is unreasonably high, there must be a water leak. check ur toilet, all water tabs and pipes...you can even tell your landlord to get plumper to check it for you. THIS IS YOUR LANDLORD's RESPONSIBILITY if you can prove that the usage is unexpectedly high.
3. Why do you need to pay for waste water? you dont pay this unless it's stated in the tenancy agreement...

FLU

喝雨水的表示毫无压力。。。