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作者: 匿名    时间: 2019-4-12 12:40:04     标题: My Jorney to pay back $600K loan in 5 years - Part 2

本帖最后由 匿名 于 2019-4-12 14:31 编辑



Last year, I posted my journey of paying back $600K loan in 5 years (strictly follow the table below) and the post was locked by Skykiwi for no reason, many people questioned why I have to pay back so fast, why don't I use the money to buy more properties etc. The answer to your question is why rush? The Cycle is never wrong.

Part 2 of my journey is i used my free mortgage property (5 investment property) to borrow another sum of money in the form of unused overdraft, which I am ready to use to buy few more property in the buyer markets.  This Cycle is happening all over again. Again, it won't be rush, it will be choosing the good stocks in the market when it is a buyer market.



I will share Part 3 of the story in a few years time.

PeriodRepayment AmountPrincipal PaidInterest PaidAccumulative Principal PaidAccumulative Interest PaidPrincipal To Pay
Year 1 Period 1$11,322$8,822$2,500$8,822$2,500$591,177
Year 1 Period 2$11,322$8,859$2,463$17,682$4,963$582,317
Year 1 Period 3$11,322$8,896$2,426$26,578$7,389$573,421
Year 1 Period 4$11,322$8,933$2,389$35,512$9,778$564,487
Year 1 Period 5$11,322$8,970$2,352$44,482$12,130$555,517
Year 1 Period 6$11,322$9,008$2,314$53,490$14,445$546,509
Year 1 Period 7$11,322$9,045$2,277$62,536$16,722$537,463
Year 1 Period 8$11,322$9,083$2,239$71,619$18,962$528,380
Year 1 Period 9$11,322$9,121$2,201$80,741$21,163$519,258
Year 1 Period 10$11,322$9,159$2,163$89,900$23,327$510,099
Year 1 Period 11$11,322$9,197$2,125$99,097$25,452$500,902
Year 1 Period 12$11,322$9,235$2,087$108,333$27,539$491,666
Year 2 Period 1$11,322$9,274$2,048$117,607$29,588$482,392
Year 2 Period 2$11,322$9,312$2,009$126,920$31,598$473,079
Year 2 Period 3$11,322$9,351$1,971$136,271$33,569$463,728
Year 2 Period 4$11,322$9,390$1,932$145,662$35,501$454,337
Year 2 Period 5$11,322$9,429$1,893$155,091$37,394$444,908
Year 2 Period 6$11,322$9,468$1,853$164,560$39,248$435,439
Year 2 Period 7$11,322$9,508$1,814$174,069$41,062$425,930
Year 2 Period 8$11,322$9,548$1,774$183,617$42,837$416,382
Year 2 Period 9$11,322$9,587$1,734$193,205$44,572$406,794
Year 2 Period 10$11,322$9,627$1,694$202,832$46,267$397,167
Year 2 Period 11$11,322$9,667$1,654$212,500$47,922$387,499
Year 2 Period 12$11,322$9,708$1,614$222,208$49,536$377,791
Year 3 Period 1$11,322$9,748$1,574$231,957$51,111$368,042
Year 3 Period 2$11,322$9,789$1,533$241,746$52,644$358,253
Year 3 Period 3$11,322$9,830$1,492$251,576$54,137$348,423
Year 3 Period 4$11,322$9,870$1,451$261,447$55,589$338,552
Year 3 Period 5$11,322$9,912$1,410$271,359$56,999$328,640
Year 3 Period 6$11,322$9,953$1,369$281,313$58,369$318,686
Year 3 Period 7$11,322$9,994$1,327$291,308$59,696$308,691
Year 3 Period 8$11,322$10,036$1,286$301,344$60,983$298,655
Year 3 Period 9$11,322$10,078$1,244$311,422$62,227$288,577
Year 3 Period 10$11,322$10,120$1,202$321,543$63,429$278,456
Year 3 Period 11$11,322$10,162$1,160$331,705$64,590$268,294
Year 3 Period 12$11,322$10,204$1,117$341,910$65,708$258,089
Year 4 Period 1$11,322$10,247$1,075$352,157$66,783$247,842
Year 4 Period 2$11,322$10,290$1,032$362,448$67,816$237,551
Year 4 Period 3$11,322$10,332$989$372,780$68,805$227,219
Year 4 Period 4$11,322$10,375$946$383,156$69,752$216,843
Year 4 Period 5$11,322$10,419$903$393,576$70,656$206,423
Year 4 Period 6$11,322$10,462$860$404,038$71,516$195,961
Year 4 Period 7$11,322$10,506$816$414,545$72,332$185,454
Year 4 Period 8$11,322$10,550$772$425,095$73,105$174,904
Year 4 Period 9$11,322$10,593$728$435,689$73,834$164,310
Year 4 Period 10$11,322$10,638$684$446,327$74,518$153,672
Year 4 Period 11$11,322$10,682$640$457,009$75,159$142,990
Year 4 Period 12$11,322$10,726$595$467,736$75,754$132,263
Year 5 Period 1$11,322$10,771$551$478,508$76,306$121,491
Year 5 Period 2$11,322$10,816$506$489,324$76,812$110,675
Year 5 Period 3$11,322$10,861$461$500,186$77,273$99,813
Year 5 Period 4$11,322$10,906$415$511,093$77,689$88,906
Year 5 Period 5$11,322$10,952$370$522,045$78,059$77,954
Year 5 Period 6$11,322$10,997$324$533,043$78,384$66,956
Year 5 Period 7$11,322$11,043$278$544,087$78,663$55,912
Year 5 Period 8$11,322$11,089$232$555,176$78,896$44,823
Year 5 Period 9$11,322$11,135$186$566,312$79,083$33,687
Year 5 Period 10$11,322$11,182$140$577,495$79,223$22,504
Year 5 Period 11$11,322$11,228$93$588,724$79,317$11,275
Year 5 Period 12$11,322$11,275$46$600,000$79,364$0





作者: 大胸之罩    时间: 2019-4-12 12:40:50

楼主你绿了

再次证明了要想生活过得去,头上必需带点绿。

作者: 鼠星人    时间: 2019-4-12 12:43:14

please,never go green
作者: 261874939    时间: 2019-4-12 12:50:26

坐等海神来回答楼主。。。
作者: 匿名    时间: 2019-4-12 12:58:06

不是很懂为啥楼主要还完投资房的贷款……

其实你不那么快还贷款还可以买更多。

你还完了投资房要交更多的税了,划不来

作者: 剑客浪心    时间: 2019-4-12 12:59:37

每周还$11,322,普通人玩不起
作者: 匿名    时间: 2019-4-12 13:00:52

剑客浪心 发表于 2019-4-12 13:59
每周还$11,322,普通人玩不起

monhtly -  Rental income and personal income.

作者: Lease    时间: 2019-4-12 13:06:10

匿名者 发表于 2019-4-12 14:00
monhtly -  Rental income and personal income.

Even monthly repay $11,322 is not a small amount, just wonder this repayment is for your rental properties loan or your family home loan?
作者: 匿名    时间: 2019-4-12 13:09:01

Lease 发表于 2019-4-12 14:06
Even monthly repay $11,322 is not a small amount, just wonder this repayment is for your rental pr ...

Rental income from 5 investment property and personal income.

We live a modest life, said that in Part 1.

作者: Lease    时间: 2019-4-12 13:11:15

匿名者 发表于 2019-4-12 14:09
Rental income from 5 investment property and personal income.

We live a modest life, said that in ...

So the repayment is for rental loans?
作者: 匿名    时间: 2019-4-12 13:24:12

本帖最后由 匿名 于 2019-4-12 14:26 编辑

The background behind my $600k loan was I sold off an investment property and pay back the bank for about $1 million and was left with the balance of $600k which I payback in 5 years on the investment property loan.

I foresee by that time, the market might go into another cycle and I refrained from buying (between 2014 onwards) although I have some disposable incomes from both rental and personal earnings.


I said in my Part 1, we live a modest life, drive 2nd hand car, my son goes to the state school and we live on a mortgage free family home.

作者: 剑客浪心    时间: 2019-4-12 13:30:50

匿名者 发表于 2019-4-12 14:24
The background behind my $600k loan was I sold off an investment property and pay back the bank for  ...

你卖那个房子的前提是买得很早,升值以后卖了,可以还很多贷款。
作者: Lease    时间: 2019-4-12 13:31:32

Good on you!

I have different approach in regards to my investment. I don't rush to pay off investment property loan, just repay normal on P & I basis every year.

I use funds from net rents and my other income to invest shares which I think may have much more potentials, ie, Tesla, Google, Boeing, etc
作者: 匿名    时间: 2019-4-12 13:32:36

剑客浪心 发表于 2019-4-12 14:30
你卖那个房子的前提是买得很早,升值以后卖了,可以还很多贷款。

yes, from last Cycle 2004.



作者: 剑客浪心    时间: 2019-4-12 13:33:23

匿名者 发表于 2019-4-12 14:32
yes, from last Cycle 2004.

你现在放出这个是误导别人,现在这个PROPERTY CYCLE什么位置,你推出来这个狗屁理论
作者: 匿名    时间: 2019-4-12 13:38:04

剑客浪心 发表于 2019-4-12 14:33
你现在放出这个是误导别人,现在这个PROPERTY CYCLE什么位置,你推出来这个狗屁理论 ...

The point is about repayment and discipline and different people have different strategies.
Property is in a wave, not just forwarding all the time.

It is not a theory for people to use, just sharing my opinion.

作者: 匿名    时间: 2019-4-12 13:41:23

Lease 发表于 2019-4-12 13:31
Good on you!

I have different approach in regards to my investment. I don't rush to pay off investm ...

你说的炒股那些金融领域,本来就是有很高的风险性,需要自己懂得相关知识,而一般人很难做到。
若是交给其他人管理,别人可能将你的资产管理到缩水30%或者更多以上。



我身边的人已经有过血的教训,亏了很多钱。从此之后,那个家族都不再碰金融投资。

作者: Lease    时间: 2019-4-12 13:50:59

匿名者 发表于 2019-4-12 14:41
你说的炒股那些金融领域,本来就是有很高的风险性,需要自己懂得相关知识,而一般人很难做到。
若是交给其 ...

所以要学习嘛, 谁也不是天生就懂的, 包括房地产投资也是一样, 也不是大家天生就知道投资房产能赚钱。

我的point是, 每个人都有自己的投资策略, 楼主既然愿意分享他的投资策略, 那么我也来说说我的opinion.
作者: 匿名    时间: 2019-4-12 14:03:42

Lease 发表于 2019-4-12 13:50
所以要学习嘛, 谁也不是天生就懂的, 包括房地产投资也是一样, 也不是大家天生就知道投资房产能赚钱。
...

有道理。
等我先捉摸明白一点点投资房地产,再去学习投资金融。
说实话,我大学就学过投资金融与炒股那些,我对那些东西都不感兴趣。

我最感兴趣的是投资生意。
但是投资生意交很多的税,而投资房地产,目前为止,持有超过几年,就不用交税

作者: 匿名    时间: 2019-4-12 14:14:14

本帖最后由 匿名 于 2019-4-12 15:29 编辑

Round 1 on today's market -  many people who can't sit still will sell and make loses.

Round 2 - people who are panic and fearful will sell. People under financial pressure, divorce, sickness will be forced to sell even making loses.


by the time we reach Rounds 1-2, these people  are the 40% of the investors who will behave like a rat race mentality. They are the first to be disqualified in the market.


Round 3 - some good news start returning to the market, people start to talk up again, you hear more conversations on property making money scheme, who and who are making money etc.
In this round, you will see some people sell because they have been waiting in the last few years to get back their money. They sell in a market that is about to boom.

Round 4 - people holding tight on their property, they will only sell with good money, a return to seller market. Property is in tight demand, people start talking about housing supply again (the same old tale).


The serious money is made by people in the top 5%, who has the stamina to keep and hold and hit with only one good punch.

Property Cycle is influenced by human behaviours.....  CGT or no CGT, people will behave the same way. Winners will be winners, losers will always be losers.


作者: Lease    时间: 2019-4-12 14:14:41

匿名者 发表于 2019-4-12 15:03
有道理。
等我先捉摸明白一点点投资房地产,再去学习投资金融。
说实话,我大学就学过投资金融与炒股那些 ...

是啊, 仅限于“到目前为止”,可能马上就要有CGT了, 到时候出售房产一样要交税。

其实我不太把交税这个事情看得太重,交税交的多, 说明你赚得多, 无论怎么说, 交税只是一个百分比, 不会要你把赚的都去交税。
作者: 匿名    时间: 2019-4-12 14:24:54

Lease 发表于 2019-4-12 14:14
是啊, 仅限于“到目前为止”,可能马上就要有CGT了, 到时候出售房产一样要交税。

其实我不太把交税这 ...

当然,交税是应该的。

只是站在投资的角度而言,前几年更应该投资房地产,而不应该将所有的钱都放在生意上。
多的不说,你应该懂我在讲啥。


作者: Lease    时间: 2019-4-12 14:27:13

匿名者 发表于 2019-4-12 15:24
当然,交税是应该的。

只是站在投资的角度而言,前几年更应该投资房地产,而不应该将所有的钱都放在生意 ...

没错, 这正是我一直做的: 分散投资。 投资有生意, 有房产, 有股票。
作者: 匿名    时间: 2019-4-12 14:32:08

本帖最后由 匿名 于 2019-4-12 14:34 编辑
Lease 发表于 2019-4-12 14:27
没错, 这正是我一直做的: 分散投资。 投资有生意, 有房产, 有股票。

我之前计算的是,
投资生意的钱,回报率非常稳定,而且非常可观。基本都是20%以上的年回报率,只有最近这一次投资(才是17.5%年回报率)除掉自己的人工,只从钱生钱的角度去看。

投资房地产,可以稳定地每年有20%回报率吗?应该比较少吧?

而且我更懂生意,完全不懂房地产。

但是 最近几年全世界的房价都涨得很厉害,给我啪啪打脸,疼得要死  所以,我应该接下来的几年,会好好学习一下房地产相关知识
作者: Lease    时间: 2019-4-12 14:44:38

匿名者 发表于 2019-4-12 15:32
我之前计算的是,
投资生意的钱,回报率非常稳定,而且非常可观。基本都是20%以上的年回报率,只有最近这 ...

投资生意可以贷款70%-80%吗?如果可以的话, 那这本身20%的回报实际就是66.67%-100%的回报了。

但房地产投资肯定可以用70%-80%甚至更高的杠杆来投资,所以过去6-7年投资房产的人获得的回报率高的惊人。
作者: 匿名    时间: 2019-4-12 14:50:24

本帖最后由 匿名 于 2019-4-12 14:52 编辑
Lease 发表于 2019-4-12 14:44
投资生意可以贷款70%-80%吗?如果可以的话, 那这本身20%的回报实际就是66.67%-100%的回报了。

但房地产 ...

我已经试过,生意贷款可以贷50% ,也可以贷60% 。
若是你投资第二套房或以上的,现在也只能贷60%的款。之前可能可以贷70% , 80%



作者: Lease    时间: 2019-4-12 14:53:52

匿名者 发表于 2019-4-12 15:50
我已经试过,生意贷款可以贷50% ,也可以贷60% 。
若是你投资第二套房或以上的,现在也只能贷60%的款。之 ...

自住房和第一套投资房肯定已经升值, Top up一下至少应该可以借到80%,甚至100%。
作者: 匿名    时间: 2019-4-12 14:57:58

Lease 发表于 2019-4-12 14:53
自住房和第一套投资房肯定已经升值, Top up一下至少应该可以借到80%,甚至100%。 ...


原来你是指 利用房屋升值的那一部分,继续贷款呀。

嗯 嗯 。

其实我们之前也商量过的,虽然我这个人性格比较冒险,但同时我也偏向于保守,所以我们会控制一下风险的,不太想把杠杆做得太高,若是杠杠做到极限,确实收益会更高,但是万一遇到一些小意外啥的,不好控制。所以,你懂的.... 高收益,通常伴随着高风险。
作者: Lease    时间: 2019-4-12 15:15:49

匿名者 发表于 2019-4-12 15:57
原来你是指 利用房屋升值的那一部分,继续贷款呀。

嗯 嗯 。

生意贷款确实需要保守, 因为受影响的因素比较多。

而房地产, 只要趋势一旦确立,肯定可以持续几年。

我所有的地产投资都是100% Finance.
作者: 匿名    时间: 2019-4-12 15:20:59

Lease 发表于 2019-4-12 15:15
生意贷款确实需要保守, 因为受影响的因素比较多。

而房地产, 只要趋势一旦确立,肯定可以持续几年。



100%。你牛。

那是因为你更懂房地产投资呀。
之前论坛上有个ID,好像叫啥”皇家骑士“的,他做生意做得挺好的,听说他投资房地产还亏了呢,那时候好像大部分人投资房地产都在赚钱呀。我那时候刚好不小心看到的。

对于我更懂生意的人来说,我觉得生意,我倒是敢100%. 无非就是多冒险一点而已。
而房子,完全不懂行 不敢触碰。 除非我以后了解了房产相关知识。


作者: Lease    时间: 2019-4-12 15:29:47

匿名者 发表于 2019-4-12 16:20
100%。你牛。

那是因为你更懂房地产投资呀。

在新西兰做生意太幸苦了,基本上要自己亲历亲为, 至少也得时刻盯着, 我是觉得没啥劲。

投资房产, 股票对我来说, 简单很多。
作者: 匿名    时间: 2019-4-12 15:33:35

本帖最后由 匿名 于 2019-4-12 15:37 编辑
Lease 发表于 2019-4-12 15:29
在新西兰做生意太幸苦了,基本上要自己亲历亲为, 至少也得时刻盯着, 我是觉得没啥劲。

投资房产, 股 ...

我的生意是承包出去的,而且是找可靠的人才承包出去。
承包之后,自己拿固定,承包的人赚多少,都是他们的。几年后,他们要是想买下来,就买下来。
我觉得,这是最好的模式,远比管理 经理或员工啥的,要更省心省力。而且我打算继续这样子去处理我 准备入手的新生意,若是我这一次的生意贷款顺利批下来的话。

对于那些初期”创业“的人来说,也是一个千载难逢的好机会。
在NZ,其实有很多人这样子操作。只是这样的操作,亦存在很多潜在的风险。看准人,成为最关键的一个环节。

作者: ronaldlu    时间: 2019-4-12 21:24:21

本帖最后由 ronaldlu 于 2019-4-12 22:28 编辑
Lease 发表于 2019-4-12 15:44
投资生意可以贷款70%-80%吗?如果可以的话, 那这本身20%的回报实际就是66.67%-100%的回报了。

但房地产 ...

有个case,回报率怎么算
5年前从其他投资房贷出30万买600几平3房,分开Fence up 租出去,现在租金450/周(老租户没加多少租,市面租金550/周)。另一边再贷18万建了一栋4房,现在租金650/周。
100%贷48万,利息460/周,租金1100/周
作者: 鸢芷清    时间: 2019-4-16 13:29:09

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