新政失败，基督城房价10月继续上涨

剑客浪心

House values in Christchurch have jumped a "significant" 11.8 per cent in a year, including 2.7 per cent in the past three months alone.

    New figures from valuation agency Quotable Value put the average October value in the city at a record $444,606.   
    Values increased most in the north and central suburbs, and in the hill neighbourhoods.

    QV Valuer Daryl Taggart said homes on the market were turning around fast, although buyers seemed to know their financial limits and were sticking to their bottom dollar. Developers were comfortable buying TC3 land, he said.   
    Christchurch values were significantly above last year, with more price growth seen recently.

    Taggart believed the Reserve Bank's October 1 clampdown on low-deposit mortgages would not have a big effect on the city's market.

    "In Auckland and Canterbury in particular where there is very high demand for property, the impact may be felt less.''   
    The clampdown was aimed at cooling the property market by reducing demand for homes.   
    Listings website realestate.co.nz said the average asking price for Canterbury homes on its site had reached a record $441,908, which was seven per cent up on a year ago.

    Even though new listings were higher than last year, with 1500 new homes coming onto the market in the region in October, high demand meant the amount of stock on the market was 30 per cent down on a year ago.

    Brent Mettrick, manager director of house building company Stonewood Homes, said they were ''flat out busy'' and he had detected only a ''slight pullback'' in sales in Christchurch after the change in rules.

    Half of their work was now in Christchurch, whereas six months ago it was divided equally among the city and the Selwyn and the Waimakariri districts, Mettrick said.

    They were also doing insurance rebuilds but these were taking time because of the complexities of foundations, land reports, and other issues such as flood heights, he said.

    Average values in Canterbury districts according to Quotable Value were: Hurunui $324,810, Waimakariri $389,577, Selwyn $481,891, Ashburton $310,299, and Timaru $$276,408.

  

be_all

又来例假了

剑客浪心

be_all 发表于 2013-11-8 09:53
又来例假了

对，继续编故事，NW不在WIGRAM开之类。

zcsstar

唉，都无奈了

DEN

房价现在已经离谱了。可能对于某些土豪这里的房价还低。
但考虑一下普通的新西兰人，他们怎么能够承受这样的房价。
有的时候想，我们的小孩长大后，如果收入在新西兰也只是中上的水平的话，他们有可能不依赖父母自己买房子吗？
如果住房可负担性这样持续恶化，新西兰的社会大环境也会恶化的。虽然自己有了房子，但对现在的高房价很担忧，毕竟我们来新西兰是为了来这里长期生活，而不是为了短期炒房发财的。

支持所有能够遏制房价上升的政策，包括限制外国人买房，引入资产增值税。

剑客浪心

DEN 发表于 2013-11-8 10:06
房价现在已经离谱了。可能对于某些土豪这里的房价还低。
但考虑一下普通的新西兰人，他们怎么能够承受这样 ...

房价上涨是央行货币政策决定的，全球化趋势，没有人能够改变。限制外国人买房，引入资产增值税，会让很多人和海外长期投资资金会永久性离开新西兰，后果就是直接进入RECESSION，社会主义也没有这样吧。

冲冲虫虫

哦，涨吧涨吧！！

Accommodation

                     Cheaper houses going begging
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11153346 ;

                  Key reveals how he lost his fight for home loans
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/residential-property/news/article.cfm?c_id=76&objectid=11152668  ;

夏心慧

剑客浪心 发表于 2013-11-8 10:13
房价上涨是央行货币政策决定的，全球化趋势，没有人能够改变。限制外国人买房，引入资产增值税，会让很多 ...

你所说的那些会因为资产增值税而离开新西兰的海外长期投资， 到底对社会经济发展有什么作用， 到底是利大于弊， 还是弊大于利？ 投机买卖是可以获利， 但它的实际价值就是见仁见智了。

剑客浪心

夏心慧 发表于 2013-11-8 10:28
你所说的那些会因为资产增值税而离开新西兰的海外长期投资， 到底对社会经济发展有什么作用， 到底是利大 ...

海外资本到NZ贷款,一般要买EQUITY去抵押贷款. 一般做法是农地,工厂,商业用地. 当这些投资者永久离境,意味着什么.

其实短期买卖房屋本身就要缴税, 只有持有超过10年,才能免税,很多人不明白. 请参考
http://www.ird.govt.nz/property/ ... x-rules-businesses/


CAPTAL GAIN TAX从根本上把所有投机者,投资者,FIRST HOME BUYER, 普通人全部绞杀.

冲冲虫虫

平均价50万的时代很快就到了！！！！60也不远了！！！

LasTnG

我等屌丝继续观望，不相信不掉。。。。。。。。

penny2334

等房价够高的时候全部出手走人

夏心慧

剑客浪心 发表于 2013-11-8 10:46
海外资本到NZ贷款,一般要买EQUITY去抵押贷款. 一般做法是农地,工厂,商业用地. 当这些投资者永久离境,意味 ...

Capital gains tax 在很多国家都有， in fact in most OECD countries， 而且it mostly only taxes on realized capital gains and owner occupied house is exempt.  再想， 政府应该鼓励资金投资在一些实体的企业上， 而不是让他们买地买房， 毕竟地和房不是工业，不能创造真正的财富， 就算金融业和服务业其实也只是辅助产业， 不能单独存在。

LasTnG

夏心慧 发表于 2013-11-8 11:08
Capital gains tax 在很多国家都有， in fact in most OECD countries， 而且it mostly only taxes on re ...

实话，这只是一种资产的转移，并不能带来财富

板车升级中

这对于有贷款的房奴来说是个坏消息，银行加息的力度和节奏和有可能因此加快。对于有房一族来说，房价的平稳上涨才是最好的结果。涨得太快，非常危险

1977pacmann

夏心慧 发表于 2013-11-8 12:08
Capital gains tax 在很多国家都有， in fact in most OECD countries， 而且it mostly only taxes on re ...

Theory is a theory,,,only,

Consider New zealand, such a tiny, small scale economy and the most valuable economy industry is "prime products".  If the government would called for capital gain tax, how come NZ receive foreign investments? whats the consequences of this? how about the exchange rate? interest rate then?

Capital gain tax might be good to control property price but definitely not suitable for a small country like NZ, a 4.5 million ppl tiny 'developed' country. This debate has last 20 years or even 30 years.

As to people who complains that they can't afford increasing housing and living cost, they ACTUALLY WONT care too much about it.  'Go to find a better paid job' is  their comment..

For sure Labor is supporting CGT but national is not. considered labor partys performance it is impossible for cgt to be carried out until Labor won the vote.

have a look if you have interest on this debate. about nz capital gain tax.

londonsky

说白了，就是所有实体经济都疲软，商业投资的钱，也进入地产，造成了全民炒房的局面，房价还得涨。
全民贪心所致，最后是恶性通胀，什么都买不起，首个空空的小破房。就买点fish&chips+可乐混日子呗。

剑客浪心

londonsky 发表于 2013-11-8 13:29
说白了，就是所有实体经济都疲软，商业投资的钱，也进入地产，造成了全民炒房的局面，房价还得涨。
全民贪 ...

yeah, when blood runs on the street, still buy properties.

夏心慧

1977pacmann 发表于 2013-11-8 12:20
Theory is a theory,,,only,

Consider New zealand, such a tiny, small scale economy and the most  ...

Not try to be political here, whether or not the CGT is good for the country has got nothing to do with which party will get voted in in the next election, or the policy will be adopted after the eletion. The Treasury has been reccomending the CGT since 2008, but there has been no political will to make the change.   

I do agree that the primary sector is a crucial part of the NZ economy, however the country cannot prosper on the agricultural sector alone, given that it only contributes  to 4% of the GDP, and 20% of the total exports. Moreover, the sector is heavily depended on scarce nature resources, which means it is impossible to double the amount of the output, i.e. double the number of cows. The most of value added will be within the nutritional space, and that will be accounted as a part of manufacturing.

And what about foreign investment? the foreign investment will come in so long the investment project is profitable, and the country will get greater benefit from investment in productive trades than non- productive properties investments.

剑客浪心

1977pacmann 发表于 2013-11-8 13:20
Theory is a theory,,,only,

Consider New zealand, such a tiny, small scale economy and the most  ...

我同意你的观点，CGT一开，海外资本会用脚投票。实际上有的海外投资对新西兰是好的，新西兰需要大量海外投资维持增长。

看一下新闻：



援引Stuff消息 在今年8月和9月的两个月时间里，海外投资者已经在Marlborough收购了超过430公顷的葡萄园土地。

　　政府海外投资办公室（OIO）日前公布数据，披露在过去两个月里共批准了三宗土地转手交易，涉及约6100万纽币。

　　现在，不少新西兰酒庄也开始收购土地，增加葡萄供应以满足海外市场需求。近期最大的一笔葡萄园交易，是Hawkes's Bay的Craggy Range酒庄收购Awatere Valley共274公顷土地。

　　Craggy Range并非完全是新西兰企业，由Hawke's Bay酒商Stephen Smith和澳大利亚百万富翁Terence Peabody共有。他们出资1700万纽币，从Lisa Marie Cooper控制的Black Birch Holdings购入土地。这次投资，可以让Craggy Range酒庄扩大葡萄酒出口市场，而且可以保证葡萄的供应。

　　OIO批准这笔交易，是考虑到可以创造就业机会，增加出口收入，改善生产力和加工初级产品。

　　对Northbank Rd上158公顷土地收购，来自香港投资商QWIL Investments。该公司从澳大利亚公司Winestock NZ手里买下Northbank葡萄园，耗资1620万纽币。

　　之后，Treasury Wine Estates预计要支付2660万纽币的地租，以继续经营葡萄园。OIO表示，QWIL Investments和Treasury Wine Estates计划维持现有的土地运营和发展模式。之所以批准收购，是收购可以保持现有工作职位、提供更好的效率和生产力，并会为发展追加投资，这些举措可以为新西兰带来实质性和显著的收益。

　　另一宗土地收购，位于Rapaura的Creekside Olive and Wine Orchard有26%股份落入欧洲人手中。

　　Creekside在当地拥有约8公顷的土地，出售股权的包括Unirent Pacific和Vladi Private Islands Pacific，其所有者分别是卢森堡公民Andreas Fellmann和德国人Farhad Vladi。

　　这次出面收购股份的是Schimanski Wealth Management NZ和JP Investments NZ，其所有者分别是德国人Fabian Schimanski和Joerg Michael Pilawa。前者将持有25%股份，后者的份额是1%。

Ageorge

大家都用什么缩小毛孔的产品？能不能推荐个性价比高的大众产品？就是超市里能买到的。什么蜂毒面膜之类的就免了。neutrogena 的有用的吗？

夏心慧

剑客浪心 发表于 2013-11-8 13:46
我同意你的观点，CGT一开，海外资本会用脚投票。实际上有的海外投资对新西兰是好的，新西兰需要大量海外投 ...

CGT是要针对地产炒作，它的推行更重要的是摆正态度。对那些为了增加产量而购地的企业不会有影响，　因为他们短时间也不会卖地收益。　

剑客浪心

夏心慧 发表于 2013-11-8 15:03
CGT是要针对地产炒作，它的推行更重要的是摆正态度。对那些为了增加产量而购地的企业不会有影响，　因为他 ...

哦,那些长期之前购买的财团呢,他们成本接近0 的. 肯定推出前,卖掉走人.30%的差价呢.

CGT是针对股票,BOND, 地产所有的CAPITAL税种.  以后NZX肯定黄了,连DIVIDEND都要抽税, KIWI EURO, JAPAN BOND也不好卖了,COUPON PAYMENT也要收税.

不知道鼓吹这个用意如何, 房价涨,SHORT TERM PAIN,
CGT是LONG TERM POISON

还好KEY不糊涂

夏心慧

Ageorge 发表于 2013-11-8 13:58
大家都用什么缩小毛孔的产品？能不能推荐个性价比高的大众产品？就是超市里能买到的。什么蜂毒面膜之类的就 ...

你好象是发错地方了。。。不过我推荐，ESTEE LAUDER，Idealist Pore Minimizing Skin Refinisher。
价格不菲，　在超市买不到，　去life pharmarcy，　或者网购。　

夏心慧

剑客浪心 发表于 2013-11-8 14:06
哦,那些长期之前购买的财团呢,他们成本接近0 的. 肯定推出前,卖掉走人.30%的差价呢.

CGT是针对股票,BO ...

我不是鼓吹CGT, 也不是说房价涨好不好, 更不是说哪个party 好。再说那么多国家都有CGT, 也没见到哪个stock exchange 黄了，而且数据表示CGT收到的税也不是很多。　好像我之前说的，　要的是个态度。
我还想指出，一些对个人有益的举动，　对一个国家来说不见得就好，vice versa.

天广的爷

十月份的数字是八九月份新政未出台前人们买进的，真正效果是看十一月和十二月的数字，看吧！剩蛋节前的房价一定是降的！为啥？因为我们家天广在近期按低于以前的市场价买到房了，高兴！不过好景不会长。明年二三月份还会涨，现在是最佳买机，俺准备卖掉俺北京的楼房给俺孙子天广及天广的儿子买有地的別墅！

冲冲虫虫

明年的中国春节后，就有好戏看了！

天广的爷

DEN 发表于 2013-11-8 09:06
房价现在已经离谱了。可能对于某些土豪这里的房价还低。
但考虑一下普通的新西兰人，他们怎么能够承受这样 ...

傻瓜，只要国家党执政，他们不会引入增值税的，屁股指挥脑袋，他们都是有房一族。再者，只有房地产旺，经济才繁荣，明年大选，国家党一定会保持房地产和经济的繁荣才能赢得大选！

angelex

剑客浪心 发表于 2013-11-8 10:46
海外资本到NZ贷款,一般要买EQUITY去抵押贷款. 一般做法是农地,工厂,商业用地. 当这些投资者永久离境,意味 ...

你那个capital gain的link 说的是associates吧！ 我记得我以前看过的是，capital gain 是不用税的，不过是要看你的intention.如果你是炒房的，也就是dealer的话，无论多少年都是要打税的。可是如果你本身的intention并不是这个，而是因为自身原因或者突发事件要卖房的话，就算不够十年也是不用打税的。这个是我两三个月前做一个客户的时候找的reference.现在有没有变就不知道了，税法不断更新。 不过你说的那个link很明确说了是associates,这样很make sense啊，防治洗黑钱和偷税漏税。