“理智“洋奴派和愤青其实是一个档次的。

extremist

为什么今天我们公司里的洋人都说放弃救援是很SB，可笑，无耻的？

连一向文化很低的KIWI都明白黄金救援期的道理，
连一向很封闭的KIWI都明白当人被围困在下面的时候，如果听到外面有动静，知道有人来救你了，他们能靠意志坚持几天，直到被救；如果外面没用动静，他们心理上就会凄凉地认为他们已经被遗弃了，加上没水没吃没光线几个小时之内就会睡着死亡。

xyz1234

这个要顶。。。。

武夫的眉笔

同意你这个内容，不过这么暴力的标题估计会被封

bigbear

等会会有一帮砖家来拍你



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bigbear 发表于 2011-2-24 18:19

那倒不一定，因为他是一小号，打不着，换我就死定了

prayer914

刚看了CAMPBELL LIVE, 昨天那些所谓的救援专家说CTV是100%没有幸存者, 说他们用了仪器和狗, 我不知道他们那些仪器和狗的准确率有多高?能高到给下100%没幸存者的结论????

但今天早上, 里面还有人发TXT给她妈, 说她还在里面, 请人来救她. 这是何等心酸, 心痛的笑话????  难道是人鬼情未了?????

那些所谓"理智"的人们, 请你们想想, 如果你们的亲人在里面, 收到这样的TXT, 你们是什么心情?????

xyz1234

"理智"的人们都是站着说话不腰疼的

sammy1112

救援工作不是一直在进行吗？
还是我看的和大家不是一个台？

洪七公。

小号就算了吧，小号和小人一样，不回了

2233aaa

管他大号小号。。说的对，就要支持

NormalLife

小号就算了吧，小号和小人一样，不回了
洪七公。 发表于 2011-2-24 19:51

看到小人了

prayer914

8# sammy1112

救援部队昨天早上就撤离CTV了. 后来不知道什么原因, 到下午又回去了. 连洋人电视台的人都说, 这样是不是浪费了很多黄金时间. 然后负责人坚持说, 我们虽然回去, 但100%是没希望的了. 但好笑的是, 今天早上, 里面竟然有人发TXT出来.

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8# sammy1112

救援部队昨天早上就撤离CTV了. 后来不知道什么原因, 到下午又回去了. 连洋人电视台的人都说, 这样是不是浪费了很多黄金时间. 然后负责人坚持说, 我们虽然回去, 但100%是没希望的了. 但好笑的是, 今 ...
prayer914 发表于 2011-2-24 19:35

这么有力的佐证咋不去我被骂的帖子帮帮我呀
这帖子没有投资前途的，标题太火爆，会被斩
哦哦

网络毛毛虫

好像是日本施压了，所以救援队又回去了，最新消息说 有35个中国学生也在CTV 楼下，悲剧啊 。。。。不知道是不是真的。

diver

和上次矿难一样让我愤怒。凭什么说下面的人没有活着的，就凭仪器？我们都知道电脑常常会出错，科学总是解释不了很多自然现象。面对这么多人命，怎么可以这么草率？

marx

刚看了CAMPBELL LIVE, 昨天那些所谓的救援专家说CTV是100%没有幸存者, 说他们用了仪器和狗, 我不知道他们那些仪器和狗的准确率有多高?能高到给下100%没幸存者的结论????

但今天早上, 里面还有人发TXT给她妈, 说她 ...
prayer914 发表于 2011-2-24 19:24

昨天看1台 close up 那个老头采访那2个专家的时候，感觉那个专家自己都底气不做，只是说大火烧了一天，又8个小时没有生命的迹象了。。理由肯定是不充分的了，不过他们说把人吊到pgc building 去，因为那边有活着的~ 这样说也无可厚非，毕竟他们人撤下来不是回家休息去了，而是投入了另外的一个地方去救人了。。后来是日本人来了，才回去了，估计日本给气的不行了，我们的人还没有救取来你们就撤了。。。 看nz和小日本在捕鲸上闹得挺凶，其实到头nz还是照顾日本多国中国，主流媒体连多少中国学生都没有提过。。 现在看名单，中国学生好像比日本的还多。。。 等清点完人数看这次中国学生有多少。。 唉~~~

2233aaa

The latest updates from the Christchurch earthquake as they happen.

6.15pmThe new death toll has now been confirmed at 98, with 226 still missing.

Christchurch police have started releasing names of those who have died in the earthquake. They are nine-month-old Jayden Harris, five-month-old Baxter Gowland, 22-year-old Jamie Gilbert and 40-year-old Joseph Pohio.


More names of the missing will not be released until the identifying process is complete.

Call 0800 733276 to report missing people.



4.30pm Rain forecast for Christchurch tomorrow will be a chance for people to collect water. Collected rain could be used in paddling pools or buckets.

Housing New Zealand will provide a temporary accommodation service to people displaced as a result of the Christchurch earthquake. Call 0800 HELP 00, or visit welfare centres in Christchurch to offer or seek temporary housing.

4.15pm Police have delayed the release of names and figures of fatalities and those missing. This will now be released at 6pm.

4.00pm Up to 200 elderly residents are being moved to facilities around the South Island.

3.30pm Police have confirmed that up to 120 people are feared dead in the CTV building and 22 inside the Cathedral Square.

3.15pm A second, more sophisticated email scam has emerged posing as the Red Cross and targeting people wanting to help victims of the earthquake. Click hereto find out how to help.

2.50pm Three hundred international search and rescue people from four countries have joined in the rescue and recovery operations in Christchurch.

2.30pm The CTV building and The PGC building have been declared as recovery operations.

Police will release the names of those confirmed dead and those missing at 4pm today.

1.20pm Police say there could be as many as 120 people in the CTV building.

There are officially 76 bodies recovered and 238 people missing after the quake, but some of those may have already left Christchurch.

Next month's Ellerslie Flower Show has been cancelled due to the Christchurch earthquake.

The Christchurch phone network is still being plagued by power issues two days after the 6.3 magnitude quake. Telecom is collecting analogue landline phones, which do not need electricity, to distribute to those in need.

1.04pm There are now 76 people in Christchurch morgues at the moment, according to Police Minister Judith Collins.

12.30pm Two, possibly three bodies, have been pulled from the CTV building.

12.20pm Orion hopes to have power restored to 75 percent of customers by the end of today.

12.10pm Census forms have been delayed until midday tomorrow.

Several world leaders have contacted Governor-General Sir Anand Satyanand to send their condolences.

12.00pm The PGC building search has now entered a 'recovery' phase.

11.30am The mood in Christchurch CBD is growing increasingly tense as police and security staff worry about the possible further collapse of building facades.

11.20am Police will release some names of fatalities and a missing persons list later today.

11.00am Ninety students and staff from King's Education, housed in the CTV building, are either missing or unaccounted for. The school has released this listof those missing or unaccounted for.

The Canterbury Earthquake government helpline is now active. This helpline is to provide information on government services for people affected by the Christchurch earthquake.

0800 779 997

10.00am The search for survivors of the Christchurch quake kicked into high gear this morning after two signs of life from beneath the rubble, but have failed to find anybody alive.

6.15am Civil Defence says food and fuel supplies are reaching Christchurch, but water is still the main worry following Tuesday's earthquake.

People are being asked to boil drinking water and to not panic buy petrol or groceries. Foodstuffs has confirmed that all of its Christchurch stores are open and sufficiently stocked.

People are being urged to stay at home and not to use the roads.

6.00am Sumner hillside has been evacuated by police amid fears the cliffs could collapse.

The Civil Defence say please donate cash not goods:

Red Cross: http://www.redcross.org.nz/donateOR
Salvation Army: 0800 53 00 00 (Specify that your donation is for the ‘Canterbury Earthquake Appeal’) OR
Any ANZ Bank branch: Account number 01-1839-0188939-00
Any National Bank branch: Account number 06-0869-0548507-00
Any Westpac Bank branch: Account number 03-0207-0617331-00
Any ASB Bank branch: Account number 12-3205-0146808-00
Any BNZ Bank branch: Account number 02-0500-0982004-000
Any Kiwibank branch: Account number: 38-9009-0759479-00

prayer914

昨天看1台 close up 那个老头采访那2个专家的时候，感觉那个专家自己都底气不做，只是说大火烧了一天，又8个小时没有生命的迹象了。。理由肯定是不充分的了，不过他们说把人吊到pgc building 去，因为那边有活着的 ...
marx 发表于 2011-2-24 21:10

今天说PGC也没活着的了. 然后又转移去其他地方了. 可笑吧.

泡沫香水

是啊,我们中国学生好可怜.....祈祷他们平安.........

love_3_month

周三转去pgc很快救出人了  他们就是在不停的衡量如何救更多的人

今天说PGC也没活着的了. 然后又转移去其他地方了. 可笑吧.
prayer914 发表于 2011-2-24 22:32

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LL330

所谓的专家每两个枪毙一个，没冤假错案。---------郭德刚

love_3_month

就我看到的信息来说, 当时的情况是这样的,

一开始就知道CTV和PGC里面有比较多的人, CTV里面更多, 所以重心在CTV, 其次在PGC

过了一晚, 在CTV没有探测到生命迹象, 同时那栋20多层的Hotel 随时可能会倒, 如果倒向CTV方向会引发其他的楼最后砸到营救人员, 而在PGC里面还有生命迹象.

所以, 一边是救活的可能大, 另一边是救活的可能小外加危险加大, 我觉得在人手不够的情况下转移地方继续努力救人, 是可以理解的.

所谓的 100% 肯定是有问题的, 这么说太过武断, 奇迹到处都会发生.

另外, 请不要说没救几个人出来. 今天6点的更新是

THE NUMBERS

103 confirmed fatalities - four names released
228 missing
70 live rescues10 international teams on the ground
559 rescuers on the ground
594 seen by emergency departments - 164 of those admitted to hospital
2000 people have had treatment for injuries
11 patients in intensive care
452 people in welfare centres
(John Carter says this number is down on the September quake as more people are self-evacuating the city)
20,131 calls to the Government's help-line
Five active welfare centres

xyz1234

"Carter: Live rescues of earthquake survivors becoming unlikely"
今天NZ Herald的一个大标题

marx

周三转去pgc很快救出人了  他们就是在不停的衡量如何救更多的人今天说PGC也没活着的了. 然后又转移去其他地方了. 可笑吧.


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love_3_month 发表于 2011-2-25 07:22

yes, they did pull someone out alive from PGC building after they give up the focus on CTV.. wow, i think there is nothing to be blamed about, except that 100% fatty cop,;11;  but again he is just a messager..this is NZ, they have to use limited resources to where needed most,and produce best output, which i think they've done brilliant job.
unlike somebody here, complaint is not my style, live positively is the only way you can move forward in a time like this, and be grateful that you are here!! lets pray for the ones still missing...

武夫的眉笔

周三转去pgc很快救出人了  他们就是在不停的衡量如何救更多的人今天说PGC也没活着的了. 然后又转移去其他地方了. 可笑吧.


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love_3_month 发表于 2011-2-25 06:22

PGC那边一直有人在救，救出来是因为原来救援队坚持的结果，和放弃CTV这拨人没关系，新人过去判断形势，设置机器要多少时间？CTV的人还没过去人家那边也挖出来了。
放弃CTV这拨人，四个小时撤掉又跑回来，大机器，梯子挪走要花多少时间？再重新摆回来重新估计形势部署又有要花多少时间？中间的时间全浪费了，而且肯定不止四个小时，因为准备撤离就花很多时间，重新部署又花很多时间

love_3_month

20# love_3_month  

感觉你就像一条政府养的狗，无论主人做错了什么，都始终维护！

如果你全家都被埋在CTV里面，看你还是不是这么维护你的主人？
新西兰悲剧 发表于 2011-2-25 16:20

感觉好象被狗咬了......但是我不想和狗辩论.......

right/wrong

我CHCH的同事都很平安，很庆幸。都是KIWI。

有个同是还说在慌乱之中，除了抱起他的笔记本电脑和手机冲出来，其他都没拿，没有PROTECT公司的财产。后来就封锁了，不让进了。

他说他不理解为什么不让自愿者进去挖，多点人，拿GARDENING的工具都可以救几个人出来。哎。

poppet

我前两天发了一个贴,就是问问为什么救援队撤离了? 因为那时看到新闻是这么说的.
我都还没质疑救援效率半个字呢,结果就被几个奋青砸了,还说我煽动,,唉,这世道,,感觉这个版快成文革了
其实经过以前很多次事故的经历,大家多多少少都对新西兰的救援效率有所不满, 表达一下又怎么了, 不同的观点有碰撞,一定要搞成打压形式吗? 说来说去还说出人身攻击了, 如果真是这么闲的无聊,还是想想如何给chch捐款出力吧.