道(疫苗)高一尺，魔(不停在变异的病毒)高一丈

真心对疫苗的有效性质疑。。。道(疫苗)高一尺，魔(不停在变异的病毒)高一丈

这次确诊者里面，疫苗接种过的不少呀？

有人说，疫苗可以避免重症的。

今天通报的两个重症，20+，40+的年龄层，新闻有通报他们是否打过疫苗吗？

robert2010

病毒每变异一次，战斗力就成倍的增加， 终极究极病毒可能以后会出现，博弈到最后人类很可能会被终结掉。

图帝@-@

你想束手就擒，等醫護人員開車上門去你家接你，然後戴上頭罩防護服，送你去一個好食好住，一天到晚有人照顧你的地方嗎？

图帝@-@ 发表于 2021-8-19 21:34
你想束手就擒，等醫護人員開車上門去你家接你，然後戴上頭罩防護服，送你去一個好食好住，一天到晚有人照顧 ...

問題是！ 確診的25歲護士接種了疫苗，然後呢？ 也沒有避免這種結局呀！

包不同

图帝@-@ 发表于 2021-8-19 21:34
你想束手就擒，等醫護人員開車上門去你家接你，然後戴上頭罩防護服，送你去一個好食好住，一天到晚有人照顧 ...

如果是后生劲索女护士就无问题

bintoo

不是完全避免，而是减少几率， 打足两针也有重症致死的， 不过相对比例比不打的低不少。

Bob Wang

包不同 发表于 2021-8-19 21:45
如果是后生劲索女护士就无问题

求女护士微信

图帝@-@

包不同 发表于 2021-8-19 21:45
如果是后生劲索女护士就无问题

仲死得快！


      

种生死符  又好又不好

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匿名者 发表于 2021-8-19 22:32
种生死符  又好又不好

是的，我已經叫個拜神婆幫我畫了個鬼符，放在身上，邪住哪些病毒。

包不同

图帝@-@ 发表于 2021-8-19 21:56
仲死得快！

迟早都要死， 如果真有做鬼也风流

包不同

Bob Wang 发表于 2021-8-19 21:52
求女护士微信

我如果有就不会在这磨时间啦， 大妈就识几个， 但要调整下口味

robert2010

看看以色列就懂了，以色列接近百分之百的疫苗接种都防不住变异病毒，现在已经不得不开始打第三针了

ctai010

robert2010 发表于 2021-8-20 06:22
看看以色列就懂了，以色列接近百分之百的疫苗接种都防不住变异病毒，现在已经不得不开始打第三针了 ...

沒錯，以色列提供了最好的數據

全世界最高的接種疫苗率（80％左右？）

基本上Delta傳開的是速度跟以前還沒疫苗的傳開速度差不多

而且以色列因delta 重症入院的人有50%是接種疫苗的。

按以色列的數據看
疫苗對delta傳染完全沒用
對delta重症有一點防衛作用（大概是降低個三四成左右吧）

包不同

robert2010 发表于 2021-8-20 06:22
看看以色列就懂了，以色列接近百分之百的疫苗接种都防不住变异病毒，现在已经不得不开始打第三针了 ...

其实也没有证据证明打了第三针对防护有什么明显帮助， 只是没有办法的办法罢了

Quad

匿名者 发表于 2021-8-19 21:44
北岸那个毒窝flat都是小年轻男女混住 说不定是性传播

说起性传播， 澳洲 说是 一个性工作确诊后， 可能把传播链条好几环都补上了

Quad

bintoo 发表于 2021-8-19 21:52
不是完全避免，而是减少几率， 打足两针也有重症致死的， 不过相对比例比不打的低不少。

...

嗯               

Quad

https://youtu.be/wCRj3wygulc

New COVID-19 Cases and Hospitalizations Among Adults, by Vaccination Status — New York, May 3–July 25, 2021

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/w...

New study from New York

First to assess vaccine protection against coronavirus infection in delta times

Data for New York May 3 to July 25

N = 10.5 million

Modest drop in vaccine effectiveness against lab confirmed infection

May 3, 91.7%

July 25, 79.8%

But

Age adjusted effectiveness against hospitalizations

May 3, 91.9% to 95.3%

July 25, 91.9% to 95.3%

Factors

Delta up from 2% to 80%

Widespread relaxations

Implications

Currently authorized vaccines have high effectiveness against COVID-19 hospitalization,

but effectiveness against new cases appears to have declined in recent months

these findings support the implementation of a layered approach centered on vaccination, as well as other prevention strategies

Effectiveness of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna Vaccines in Preventing SARS-CoV-2 Infection Among Nursing Home Residents Before and During Widespread Circulation of the SARS-CoV-2 B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant — National Healthcare Safety Network, March 1–August 1, 2021

N = 85,593 weekly reports

mRNA vaccines

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/w...

Effectiveness against infection declined in nursing homes as delta increased

March, 75%

June, 53%

Vaccination for visitors and staff is crucial,

additional doses of COVID-19 vaccine might be considered for nursing home and long-term care facility residents

Sustained Effectiveness of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna Vaccines Against COVID-19 Associated Hospitalizations Among Adults — United States, March–July 2021
N = 1,129 diagnosed patients

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/w...

Analysis of patients at 21 hospitals

After 2 doses of mRNA vaccine

Across 18 states

Substantial protection against hospitalizations

No decline in protection against hospitalization over 24 weeks

Effectiveness was steady at 86% percent

Immunocompetent adults, 90% protection

Remained constant during delta surge

At 2 to 12 weeks after second dose, 86%

At 13 to 24 weeks after second dose, 84%

CDC director Rochelle Walensky

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health...

Examining numerous cohorts through the end of July and early August, three points are now very clear

First, vaccine-induced protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection begins to decrease over time.

Second, vaccine effectiveness against severe disease, hospitalization and death remains relatively high.

And third, vaccine effectiveness is generally decreased against the delta variant

Quad

"I want the highest number of people vaccinated as possible," Ardern says. This will reduce the chance of lockdown, help the people getting vaccinated and the vulnerable people around them. It has got to be our collective goal, she says.


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u ... -cdc-202334703.html

今天宣布，在社区感染病毒的 277 人中，有 10 人已完全接种疫苗，另有 34 人接种了一剂疫苗。




44/277=0.1588447653


比例不低