豆腐教主被起诉

love_3_month

微苦蓝山 发表于 2019-7-8 14:56
请读原文，已经认罪了好伐
法庭将确定判罚尺度

没找到认罪啊，说是等法庭宣判

Lease

love_3_month 发表于 2019-7-9 03:22
没找到认罪啊，说是等法庭宣判

有提到已经与Commerce Commission enter a settlement. 因为是Commerce Commission 先起诉他的公司，达成和解意味着他已经认罪，这样就可以避免冗长的法庭辩论，现在只是等法庭决定如何处罚。

豆腐教徒

Lease 发表于 2019-7-9 06:57
有提到已经与Commerce Commission enter a settlement. 因为是Commerce Commission 先起诉他的公司，达成 ...

认罪就是承认price fixing？这样以前卖房子给他们组织的人，是不是可以来个集体诉讼要求赔偿？

快乐123

Lease 发表于 2019-7-9 06:57
有提到已经与Commerce Commission enter a settlement. 因为是Commerce Commission 先起诉他的公司，达成 ...

不太明白Commerce Commission和法庭的关系，Commerce Commission不是个政府组织吗，被它处理属于行政处罚范围吧，和违法犯罪不一样吧？

lionel

枪打出头鸟，太高调了。

不过那个阿海也是功不可没呀。

Lease

豆腐教徒 发表于 2019-7-9 07:35
认罪就是承认price fixing？这样以前卖房子给他们组织的人，是不是可以来个集体诉讼要求赔偿？ ...

具体他认罪到什么程度现在是不知道的， 等判罚结果出来之后应该有具体说明。

Lease

快乐123 发表于 2019-7-9 08:31
不太明白Commerce Commission和法庭的关系，Commerce Commission不是个政府组织吗，被它处理属于行政处罚 ...

如果仅仅在Commerce Commission和Ron之间的话， 是属于行政处罚范围， 但现在Commerce Commission起诉了Ron的公司， 这就不再是行政处罚了， 这问题要在法庭解决。

微苦蓝山

bungyjumping999 发表于 2019-7-8 23:40
Cartel Fine can be large. Example - See Real Estate Agents entered cartel agreement against Trade me ...

对公司处罚的话，最高10m，理论上
当然达成了认罪协议，应该不会罚那么高了

豆腐教徒

微苦蓝山 发表于 2019-7-9 09:24
对公司处罚的话，最高10m，理论上
当然达成了认罪协议，应该不会罚那么高了 ...

8百万的学费，如果被达4百万，还有4百万，我觉得应该是罚少过4百万，有钱挣！！！

clam

豆腐教徒 发表于 2019-7-9 09:36
8百万的学费，如果被达4百万，还有4百万，我觉得应该是罚少过4百万，有钱挣！！！ ...

You haven't accounted for income tax for the 8mil.

豆腐教徒

clam 发表于 2019-7-9 09:37
You haven't accounted for income tax for the 8mil.

I guess it's negligible, they emphasised on getting good accountants, maybe IRD can take a look... haha

bungyjumping999

豆腐教徒 发表于 2019-7-9 09:36
8百万的学费，如果被达4百万，还有4百万，我觉得应该是罚少过4百万，有钱挣！！！ ...

Will depend if he benefits all the money. They run like a franchise, and his name is used by a few trainers.

Like the TOFU shops, it has different owners in different locations, all using the name of TOFU.


Example, Like MIKE PXXX franchise, the spiritual leader will come out on TV and advertisements to do the talking.

豆腐教徒

bungyjumping999 发表于 2019-7-9 09:41
Will depend if he benefits all the money. They run like a franchise, and his name is used by a few  ...

ComCom was talking about the organisation? Not individual right?

bungyjumping999

豆腐教徒 发表于 2019-7-9 09:44
ComCom was talking about the organisation? Not individual right?

Yes, the focus is on the organisation.....  if the director(s) who is the heart and soul of the organisation will be a ground to be held liable together with the Organisation. The organisation can't speak, it can only speak through someone who is acting for the organisation.  

This is a statutory offence, like a fair trading act, consumer guarantee act, etc - the court has the power to order individuals in the organisation to be responsible.

豆腐教徒

bungyjumping999 发表于 2019-7-9 09:49
Yes, the focus is on the organisation.....  if the director(s) who is the heart and soul of the org ...

too hard for a layman to grasp, but would be intesrestig to see the outcome

bungyjumping999

豆腐教徒 发表于 2019-7-9 09:55
too hard for a layman to grasp, but would be intesrestig to see the outcome

Yes, the court will hear the level of fine that will be imposed.

For Cartel, the fine can be large depending on how the court sees it. See below the fine on few real estate agents.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/ ... el_arrangement.html
"Four major real estate agencies have been ordered to pay close to $10 million combined for price fixing."


So, will see.

先森表酱紫嘛

400个交智商税的

clam

bungyjumping999 发表于 2019-7-9 09:58
Yes, the court will hear the level of fine that will be imposed.

For Cartel, the fine can be large ...

怪不得低調了那麼多。。。

bungyjumping999

In the previous boom, he purchased a lot of Mt Wellington Properties (mainly units) before Sylvia Park was built. that was around $100k - $180K price range. There was a saying that few roads there should be named after him.


CommCom is taking on the case to reflect the sentiment of the people. Sometimes, they issued a warning and decided not to prosecute. At the national debate and publicity and the cabinet Minister lodged the report, maybe they are doing what the public would think they will do to protect the underdogs.


Put it bluntly, Sun Xu's tug of War is about market strategy. If one wants to be polite, one will say it as a strategy. If one wants to be self-righteous, it will be a form of manipulation depending on which side one is on.

clam

bungyjumping999 发表于 2019-7-9 10:15
In the previous boom, he purchased a lot of Mt Wellington Properties (mainly units) before Sylvia P ...

Mt Wellington Hwy & Panama Road mostly... cheapest one is 120k for 60m2, haha

我真不是孙红雷

bungyjumping999 发表于 2019-7-8 23:40
Cartel Fine can be large. Example - See Real Estate Agents entered cartel agreement against Trade me ...

计算完gst，人工，宣传，场地等费用，income tax，再罚500k到1m最后剩不了都少了，这几年白干了。。。

马甲一件又一件

学费多少？

ctai010

Lease 发表于 2019-7-8 17:12
所以贬低阿海的人， 基本上是眼红， 妒嫉他而已。

阿海确实不简单。

世上賺大錢的人多了去了

就因為阿海賺錢忌妒他？！

那我也忌妒Bill Gate, 馬雲，李嘉誠，那裡輪到阿海呀？！

不說那些我不認識的人，就算是我的認識的人，發大財的也有，有億元富翁上報紙，有上市公司ceo, 有進google, apple 十多年，光配股就已拿到上千萬，我怎不眼紅那些人啊？！

一開始我也配服阿海，以前在skykiwi 回答很多朋友對房產的疑問也都很中肯
但後來到媒體上叫買不起房的人toughen up, get into tradie, join the army 。

如果只是失言，表達不完整,或媒體斷章取義也算了。
但阿海當天馬上在微信說，老天對我太好了，又免費上報紙
無恥，敗類

這明顯是為了爭版面，不擇手段，不在乎破壞華人名聲。或許這就是當代天朝人典型為利益無底線，這就是我鄙視阿海的原因

bungyjumping999

ctai010 发表于 2019-7-9 22:46
世上賺大錢的人多了去了

就因為阿海賺錢忌妒他？！

Yes, add fuel to the unhealthy sentiment at that time.

and subsequently motivate Labour to use it as an issue to their advantage and as David PXXX put it in the parliamentary speech for OIOamendments - Landownership is our birthrights, we cannot have that traded in the trading platform without any restriction.


這明顯是為了爭版面，不擇手段 ----------> Media influence public opinions. The media has taken and used this group of people who like publicity to achieve their purpose