你有信仰吗？？？？

善下菊乱

lzhizhao 发表于 2015-6-7 22:21
宗教免税，挂的是慈善组织的名义。其实大部分教会真正返还给社会的钱大概是总收入的10-15%。

有一些宗教 ...

哇偶，好喜欢你的签名图~

lychee

Lease 发表于 2015-6-7 21:41
你并不明白信仰的力量。一个有信仰的人无论身处何种环境（包括在极度困难的情形下，比如，身患绝症），他 ...

我可以说是木有信仰了。。。
也一样任何时候都平安喜乐丫。

重点在于欲望越大失望越大。。
像我这种没心没肺的怎么活都不累。。

Lease

lychee 发表于 2015-6-8 16:05
我可以说是木有信仰了。。。
也一样任何时候都平安喜乐丫。

你患了绝症吗？ 你妻离子散， 家破人亡了吗？你的生活看不到希望了吗？

一般情况下， 信仰可能起不到什么作用。But who knows, if something bad happens to you, then your faith will take you through.

阿海

我信我的手掌

lzhizhao

Lease 发表于 2015-6-8 16:14
你患了绝症吗？ 你妻离子散， 家破人亡了吗？你的生活看不到希望了吗？

一般情况下， 信仰可能起不到什 ...

你们还终于露出你们的丑恶嘴脸了。对生活上有困难的人加以诱惑来谋取利益。

fuck religion!

lychee

Lease 发表于 2015-6-8 16:14
你患了绝症吗？ 你妻离子散， 家破人亡了吗？你的生活看不到希望了吗？

一般情况下， 信仰可能起不到什 ...

Nope.. 我向来乐天。。呵呵。你要知道我been thru什么你就不会这么说了。。几次跟别人谈起人生经历总会被人唏几句你好坚强丫。。。。
我不反宗教。。但是我一样认为人不需要宗教。。
我有爱我的家人有我自己的梦想。。再难再苦我都不会放弃。不是因为我信上帝。。而是只要我活着我就不会浪费我的生命让自己垮掉。。。人活一世但求无悔。。。

戈比蛋

Lease 发表于 2015-6-8 16:14
你患了绝症吗？ 你妻离子散， 家破人亡了吗？你的生活看不到希望了吗？

一般情况下， 信仰可能起不到什 ...

你这话就不对了，什么叫非要在危难关头才需要你们的神，你这出发点就完全错误了。你们信神的人平时好好的就不信了？ 这完全就是临时抱佛脚那一套嘛。真正具有高尚情操的人是乐于给予而不是索取，整天祷告不生病多赚钱那算什么呀？同意吗

Lease

戈比蛋 发表于 2015-6-8 18:35
你这话就不对了，什么叫非要在危难关头才需要你们的神，你这出发点就完全错误了。你们信神的人平时好好的 ...

我仅仅是举一个极端的例子而已。我根本没有到绝望的地步。相反即使是在世人看来，我的生活也是太好了。可我为什么要信上帝呢？关键在于，我觉得我太渺小了，推而广之，人类都太渺小了。很多一直存在的东西，比如宇宙中的X射线，人们也是在1960年代发明了高倍望远镜才发现的。我相信还有许许多多的东西人们至今也没有能力去发现，去证明。既然人有很多的不能，那么人为什么就那么自信上帝是不存在的呢？

戈比蛋

Lease 发表于 2015-6-8 19:18
我仅仅是举一个极端的例子而已。我根本没有到绝望的地步。相反即使是在世人看来，我的生活也是太好了。可 ...

圣经就是耶稣的粉丝写出来颂扬他们所谓的神，就像当年毛泽东的粉丝那样维护他一样，现在看来那些不知情的群众其实很大程度上也是受蒙蔽的，教会和这个有什么区别呢？人都是在不知情的情况下去盲目跟从一个人，看不出和毛的个人崇拜有什么却别，让你去信，不要问为什么，只要信了就对了。为什么数学物理的理论都要求证，告诉你有这回事不就可以吗？一样的道理，万事皆有因，没有凭空出现的事物。可能我太唯物论了，很多地方说得语无伦次。

lzhizhao

Lease 发表于 2015-6-8 19:18
我仅仅是举一个极端的例子而已。我根本没有到绝望的地步。相反即使是在世人看来，我的生活也是太好了。可 ...

因为不知道就要去相信，就要去被教会奴役？ 这是对愚昧的奉承。

你自己去就好了，别把这个事情说得多么光彩。

Lease

戈比蛋 发表于 2015-6-8 19:43
圣经就是耶稣的粉丝写出来颂扬他们所谓的神，就像当年毛泽东的粉丝那样维护他一样，现在看来那些不知情的 ...

你可以这么认为，没有任何问题。

但我不这么认为，应该也没有任何问题吧。

117wik

lzhizhao 发表于 2015-6-8 18:05
你们还终于露出你们的丑恶嘴脸了。对生活上有困难的人加以诱惑来谋取利益。

fuck religion! ...

I am not sure why you are so against religion, but at the same time, it took me 10 years+ to finally decide to believe based on faith (as no matter how much i search, how much i try to read and learn, i still feel like with my limited knowledge, it's impossible to fully understand all god's message).

If you think i am a loser or someone that is "心理上有很多阴影", then sorry, i am actually someone reasonably self confident, i am pretty successful career wise in my own domain (managing a team of 15, getting head hunted for both roles in NZ and Aust), i have a great family (wife and 3 kids), and i also own a side business.

If you think everything we christian do is purely "对生活上有困难的人加以诱惑来谋取利益", then sorry again. Checked out my posts on skykiwi in the last 10 years. I have met and helped 50+ people on skykiwi, either to answer questions, or to actively involve in helping them to get a job in IT (which in turn help them get their residency in the country), and i do all that with no expectation for any returns, and quite often, majority of them don't even know i am a Christian. If you need example, refer to http://bbs.skykiwi.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2903495, i am the author's mentor. I can also refer you to a member of my team, which he almost gave up and wanting to quit IT after jobless for 8 months, and i guided him and eventually got him a job and he's now living a reasonably happy life.

To be honest, i couldn't care less what you think of religion, i just want you to know that many of us believers are not idiot or loser like you think we are, and many of us are doing what we can to help the people or society, not for a profit or any other selfish intention, but other than the fact that it is the right thing to do. Once you get to know us in real life, you probably find that we are pretty normal people not that different from many of you.

Good luck and hopefully once day you will find a reason in believing in god too.

lzhizhao

Lease 发表于 2015-6-8 20:23
你可以这么认为，没有任何问题。

但我不这么认为，应该也没有任何问题吧。 ...

既然你不知道，你怎么确定是你们基督教的神？为什么不是印度教的神或者伊斯兰教的神？

为什么是一个神？而不是像古希腊的众神。

lzhizhao

117wik 发表于 2015-6-8 20:39
I am not sure why you are so against religion, but at the same time, it took me 10 years+ to final ...

我反宗教，因为我非常确认宗教是人类罪恶的根源。人类的三大罪恶根源是：盲目服从，人群隔离和愚昧。这三个都是宗教的工具和利用的手段。

历史上面宗教的血腥历史还少么？今天，恐怖袭击，伊斯兰的斩头行为，那个不是因为宗教的鼓动而发生的。我不觉得你是loser但是我知道你是self deluded.

你这么喜欢example，我给你几个：http://bbs.skykiwi.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2954724
http://bbs.skykiwi.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2738184

lzhizhao

117wik 发表于 2015-6-8 20:39
I am not sure why you are so against religion, but at the same time, it took me 10 years+ to final ...

faith，牛津字典的解析是在没有证据的情况下对人和事理的相信。信仰本是宗教的产物，是宗教为了洗脑而创造出来的工具；我自己文学根底很薄，读得书少（不像圣者，每每提醒大家他读得书有多么的多），写东西的时候经常词穷。但是，纵使我的文学修养多么浅薄，我也不会稀混概念来欺骗别人。但是你们喜欢把不是信仰的东西归纳为信仰，把不是宗教的理念归纳为宗教，因为遮羞布够大才能够把你们邪恶的行为掩盖；只有其他人都是有宗教，你们才不觉得自己白痴。
理念，道德，团结，追求真理这些都不是信仰，因为他们是理念，道德，团结，追求真理；把他们称之为信仰，他们就失去了他们本身的意义。--Fuck religion！荼毒我们的思想，扭曲事物的真相。

宗教喜欢把自己遮羞布后的雄性器官形容得巨硕，强硬；可是当扯下信仰这块遮羞布后看到的却是短小丑陋，而且夹带阵阵恶臭。

教徒们自己喜欢到处炫耀自己的这一块遮羞布，甚至觉得时髦，喜欢给别人也搭上。对不起，我不相信你们那个邪恶的神，我也不支持你们的那些落后的所谓道德观，更鄙视你们愚昧的世界观，你们的遮羞不布你们自己留着把，别到处说我们人人都需要那一款试的遮羞布。  

lzhizhao

117wik 发表于 2015-6-8 20:39
I am not sure why you are so against religion, but at the same time, it took me 10 years+ to final ...

你自己喜欢被奴役，把钱送给教会就好了。不要以为我们都跟你一样喜欢被奴役，喜欢吧钱养肥教会。

你喜欢让你的孩子接受愚昧的创始论而无法正确学习科学知识，但是我不想。

fuck religion!

Lease

117wik 发表于 2015-6-8 20:39
I am not sure why you are so against religion, but at the same time, it took me 10 years+ to final ...

Thanks Brother, and God bless you.

But I don't think you need to response any comments that "lzhizhao" made.

I used to discuss with him in term of "Conviction or Faith", but now I entirely give up and ignore him.

lzhizhao

Lease 发表于 2015-6-8 20:57
Thanks Brother, and God bless you.

But I don't think you need to response any comments that "lzhi ...

对，把头埋在沙堆里就好了。

lzhizhao

Lease 发表于 2015-6-8 20:57
Thanks Brother, and God bless you.

But I don't think you need to response any comments that "lzhi ...

这个帖子只是开始，你慢慢会明白到，愚昧的相信鬼神并不会得到别人的尊重。要被尊重是要付出劳动的。

而且，我们的认知不断成长，压倒宗教的声音只会更大。最后一根稻草的到来可能比我们想像的要早。

ronaldlu

NewLynnHse 发表于 2015-4-22 18:47
做Pastor吧，开个教会，钱源源不绝，还是免税的。我有点后悔当初学IT了

剃光头也可开堂赚大钱。不过有因果没如果。因为你当初学IT，你叫别人做爸爸。如果你当初学那个，大家叫你做father。

NewLynnHse

ronaldlu 发表于 2015-6-8 21:41
剃光头也可开堂赚大钱。

光头没有Pastor好，Pastor住豪宅开跑车更多人信，光头得偷偷摸摸

ronaldlu

NewLynnHse 发表于 2015-6-8 21:47
光头没有Pastor好，Pastor住豪宅开跑车更多人信，光头得偷偷摸摸

我见证有人不出10年，一样坐business class 像坐bus。AKL最清楚那里有好吃的，照样经常换新车。

NewLynnHse

lychee 发表于 2015-6-8 18:31
Nope.. 我向来乐天。。呵呵。你要知道我been thru什么你就不会这么说了。。几次跟别人谈起人生经历总会被 ...

One night I dreamed a dream.
As I was walking along the beach with my Lord.
Across the dark sky flashed scenes from my life.
For each scene, I noticed two sets of footprints in the sand,
One belonging to me and one to my Lord.

After the last scene of my life flashed before me,
I looked back at the footprints in the sand.
I noticed that at many times along the path of my life,
especially at the very lowest and saddest times,
there was only one set of footprints.

This really troubled me, so I asked the Lord about it.
"Lord, you said once I decided to follow you,
You'd walk with me all the way.
But I noticed that during the saddest and most troublesome times of my life,
there was only one set of footprints.
I don't understand why, when I needed You the most, You would leave me."

He whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you
Never, ever, during your trials and testings.
When you saw only one set of footprints,
It was then that I carried you."

Lease

NewLynnHse 发表于 2015-6-10 07:43
One night I dreamed a dream.
As I was walking along the beach with my Lord.
Across the dark sky fl ...

Absolutely True.