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作者: 20080428 时间: 2021-10-24 06:36:08 标题: 老外圈里针对姐心大和辉瑞的转发，节假日不回复，工作日才有空……

本帖最后由 20080428 于 2021-10-26 11:06 编辑

This eloquent letter is written by a woman who has gathered over 35,000 New Zealanders who've had serious adverse V reactions... her observations reflect exactly how I feel!

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A LETTER TO OUR PRIME MINISTER...

Dear Jacinda,

I am a New Zealander...a mother and a grandmother.

The closest i have been to you was when we jigged side by side in the VIP area of a U2 concert a couple of years ago.  I remember thinking how tiny and pretty you were.

I am a sensitive empath, and watching the pain in your eyes as you comforted the bereaved and traumatised after the mosque massacre, and White Island...i thought i recognised the same in you.

I know your Misinformation Officer will quickly find this post and hopefully share it with you...

I am taking it upon myself to share a grassroots snapshot in time, of the immense suffering so many of your people are enduring right now.

I host a community of nearly 35,000 New Zealanders whose lives have been changed by the Covid 19 vaccine.

Many who gather here are living with the daily legacy of suffering serious adverse reactions to our "safe and effective" covid solution.

Some are paralysed or have lost their health and vitality as a result of a stroke, heart attack, blood clot or myocarditis after their jab.

Others are dealing with a paralysed face, or ongoing extreme exhaustion, crippling pain or daily headaches that see them confined to bed for weeks on end.

When they try to share their story (as many thousands tried to on your recent face book post), they are smashed with angry vitriol...cries of "misinformation" and "antivaxer"...even though they were "pro vax" enough to roll up their sleeve for the needle.

Having unexpectedly created a safe place for these marginalised and injured to gather, gives me daily insight into a New Zealand story the likes of which most unwitting Kiwi's have no awareness of.  All they hear every day is "safe and effective....and they trust you and believe it.

The personal interactions i have with these families will leave a permanent heavy record in my heart.

I often think of the family whose beautiful brilliant medical specialist daughter is left permanently crippled by her post jab stroke.

Or the 22 year old woman who had to learn to walk and talk again after her stroke, following the jab she didnt want to have, but gave in to, in order to keep her job.

The family just 3 weeks ago who are wracked with trauma and grief after their precious 14 year old son collapsed dead in their garden, 3 days after his jab.

I have literally hundreds of such stories to share with you....as do the many who tried, unsuccessfully, to do so on your recent face book post.

You wont see a single one of them on the 6 o'clock news, the 1 o'clock update or the front page of the Herald.

Of course i realise that the vast majority of Kiwis will have their jab and have nothing more than a sore arm...but for many others life is changed and these broken Kiwis (who did the right thing!!) deserve our compassionate acknowledgement and care, not our scorn and disbelief.

And now there is a new tsunami of grief and suffering growing....the thousands of New Zealanders who are now faced with a choice they believed would never be forced upon them.

Do they take a jab, that for a myriad of reasons they have chosen not to have....or do they lose their job, vocation, career of decades?

While some will find the fear of unemployment and financial destitution enough to drag them, kicking and screaming to the vaccine tent...

For others, no amount of pressure, coercion or personal cost will be enough to wrestle a consent from their arm.

I have received hundreds of messages from these soon to be unemployed experts.

We are set to loose literally thousands of years of vocational experience from the New Zealand work force.  Doctors, nurses, teachers, psychiatrists, midwives and more.  Yes even an Orthopedic Surgeon and a Forensic Psychiatrist will be walking.  Some who are new to their careers and still paying off student loans....others with 20 or 30 years of valuable experience.

To those who have already had their jab, this might seem pure insanity.  Why would a professional with everything to lose, not just simply call in to the vax centre at the end of a work shift, and be done with the turmoil, pressure and angst?

I'll share just a tiny few of the myriad reasons these incredible people have shared with me.

The reasons can be grouped, and the first group hinges on TRUST.

Try as they might, some just cannot rationalise their way into a place of trusting either Pfizer,  or you and our Government.
They struggle to believe that the largest corporate and pharmaceutical felons in history can just be "trusted" with a rapidly developed, novel technology, medical product with absolutely ZERO long term safety data.

They also struggle with knowing that the contract our Government signed with Pfizer is confidential, and includes (this much we know) 100% liability protection for Pfizer.

These injured Kiwi's I've spoken about...if they are lucky their financial care will come from ACC (its not a given though).  That's us.  The tax payers.  An "all care, no responsibility" contract with a pharmaceutical company with a track record like Pfizer, simply does not inspire confidence in those who do their due diligence.

Others of these smart and educated professionals (including many medics) have spent many hours reading the clinical trial papers, following the government adverse reaction (and efficacy) databases around the world.

They are deeply concerned by what they see. Unprecedented serious injury and death, the likes of which have never been witnessed with a vaccine before.  With the exception of the many times inflated risk of heart inflammation in young males, the other serious injuries (or worse) seem to be randomly meted out as a form of medical Russian Roulette.

There is another group of soon to be unemployed, who have health issues that in any "ordinary" times, would see them exempted or even contraindicated from receiving this vaccine.  Long histories of blood clots, heart attacks, neurodegeneration conditions, and yes even previous severe and life threatening allergic reactions. Instead they find themselves mandated, terrorised and terrified....including those who nearly died from their first dose, and are simply told they MUST have their second dose in a hospital with a crash cart and a resuscitation team at hand.

Then comes the group, often also encompassing the first two groups, who will walk away from their career as a stand for medical freedom.

These people believe that capitulating against their will to take a medical intervention, with unprecedented evidence of damage from around the world, is the greater of two evils.

Those with intelligence have so many unanswered questions...

Why do they not have the option of presenting a negative saliva test twice a week to ensure they are safe in the work place? (firstly....why do we not have $20 saliva tests available like the rest of the world?)

Why is an "immunity passport" based on evidence of covid antibodies from previous infection, not enough to safely keep their job?

Why has our Government put no effort into providing us with an effective Early Treatment Outpatient program such as that used with overwhelming success by Dr Peter McCullough or Dr Zelenko?  Instead those in MIQ are offered panadol while they wait to see if their infection will lead them to ICU.

Why are we not checking the vitamin D status of every man woman and child in the land, and providing them with safe and effective doses of vitamin D...now that we know so clearly that low vitamin D makes us a sitting target for both infection and a poor outcome (and we have endemic vitamin D deficiency in NZ with our "sun smart" messaging).

Why have we not used the last 20 months to educate, empower and lead our nation into a better state of health....starting with sharing the brutal truth that obesity greatly increases your risk of ICU and death.

Why have you done everything in your power to block our access to Ivermectin when the evidence of both the safety and efficacy for prevention and treatment of Covid is overwhelmingly positive?

Why are we not having any national debate and discussion around the risk/benefit analysis of vaccinating our children? New Zealanders have simply not been informed that their children face virtually no risk of a poor outcome from covid (unless their child is already severely health compromised).  They are similarly unaware that their children face very real risks from taking the vaccine, including up to 25 times the usual risk of heart inflammation (young males), along with its potentially life shortening consequences.

Why do most New Zealanders not understand that as double vaccinated they can still both contract and transmit covid, get seriously ill from covid and die of covid.

We just have to look at the heavily vaccinated countries like Singapore, Israel and UK, to see that it will take much more than this "leaky" vaccine to put an end to our misery.

Why have New Zealanders not been told that the vaccine passport they covet, will likely disappear into thin air if they refuse to consent to a booster every six months in order to be considered "fully vaccinated"...along with the repeated re exposure to serious health risks.

I think enough has been said.

Your people are hurting....the vaccine injured or bereaved; the mandated and disillusioned, frightened and no longer trusting; and all those who have chosen (for a myriad of rational reasons) to decline the jab, and are now vilified, attacked, belittled second rate citizens in their own country.

Right now our nation has never felt more divided.

Mental health has never felt more thread bare.  And never before have more questions been left unanswered.

Jacinda...

Its not too late for you to show the same compassion we witnessed as you embraced the traumatised Muslims at the mosque.

Its not too late to work with your people instead of against them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYF8bnmdQfY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MViwU3XOo

https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/vaccine-report-overview.asp

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/07/30/1030390/vaccinated-getting-covid-delta-mask-mandate-superspreaders/

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3872/rr-5

我的立场其实一直都没变，来这里发帖的初衷只是想让大家关注一下瑞辉的潜在副作用三思而后行。因为政府对这方面基本没有报道。

任何时候，都没用一个单纯的对与错，只有适合与不适合。没有对错，只有选择。

如果知道大概率会被传染，那打疫苗还是比不打疫苗要更好，哪怕是有副作用的瑞辉，但是如果本身已经有血液方面或者别的方面的疾病的那还是要认真权衡一下利弊。

孩子我是不建议打瑞辉的，因为孩子即便感染重症的比例也微乎其微，偶尔有出现大部分也是有其他基础疾病，普通流感对他们也会致命，但是打了之后的长期副作用不仅仅只是血液的问题，发育，遗传等等很多都有可能会受影响。

没有绝对安全的疫苗，对于covid而言更没有绝对有效的疫苗，所以如果暂时感染概率不高，或者换句话说如果不在奥克兰这些高风险地区，瑞辉不是好的选择，等一下更传统的疫苗更好，因为你什么时候会用到或者说是否会接触病毒是个未知数但是打了之后对身体的影响却是肯定的。

没必要为了疫苗而相互攻击，大家只是做了适合自己的选择而已，有精力多赚钱，现在可是敛财千载难逢的机会。

作者: pategao 时间: 2021-10-24 06:46:18

好能写啊啊

作者: 20080428 时间: 2021-10-24 06:54:46

我想说的是，Enough is enough. And the people and medical professionals who make a stand against big pharma with some common sense and their right to do their own research and draw their own conclusions are put through is shameful.

作者: 20080428 时间: 2021-10-24 07:05:16

划重点，Why have New Zealanders not been told that the vaccine passport they covet, will likely disappear into thin air if they refuse to consent to a booster every six months in order to be considered "fully vaccinated"...along with the repeated re exposure to serious health risks.

作者: 开心妈妈 时间: 2021-10-24 07:05:36

20080428 发表于 2021-10-24 06:54
我想说的是，Enough is enough. And the people and medical professionals who make a stand against big ...

没明白，你是站在哪边的？站在写信人那边的？还是对立的啊？

作者: 20080428 时间: 2021-10-24 07:07:38

没有对错，只有选择

祝大家劳动节快乐

作者: moonIlight2013 时间: 2021-10-24 07:10:32

20080428 发表于 2021-10-24 06:54
我想说的是，Enough is enough. And the people and medical professionals who make a stand against big ...

副统帅，你说咋搞？这女人有这时间唧唧歪歪写这么多，比如赶快去打针。找这么多借口，

作者: salesonline 时间: 2021-10-24 07:20:20

这样说话绕来绕去的人就是要带思路，如此简单的投诉写的如此复杂，看似高雅，实则陈词滥调换包装

newstalkzb几天前全天讨论疫苗注射的问题，不少人打电话进来，支持注射疫苗的和反对注射疫苗的都有，主持人多次强调注射疫苗不是强制的，但是是推荐的选项，目的是保护全新西兰的免疫低下的最弱群体，两次接种疫苗的还是会有3%的可能性被传染，且传播病毒，但是不接种疫苗的被传染和传播病毒的可能性要高很多很多，具体百分比我忘了。所以号召全民接种疫苗的目的实则是“为了”他人，当然对接种个人也会有不同程度的保护。

作者: 范圆圆. 时间: 2021-10-24 07:55:44

这是个伪命题，老外也分白左，白中，白右。一棵歪脖树可不代表整片森林。

作者: 范圆圆. 时间: 2021-10-24 07:58:38

salesonline 发表于 2021-10-24 07:20
这样说话绕来绕去的人就是要带思路，如此简单的投诉写的如此复杂，看似高雅，实则陈词滥调换包装

newstalk ...

得了新冠没注射疫苗的死亡率是2.5%，注射了两针辉瑞疫苗的死亡率是0.25%,相差9倍.

作者: Quad 时间: 2021-10-24 08:21:33

胡咧咧吗？

作者: bintoo 时间: 2021-10-24 08:43:01

楼主辛苦了，长假期还不忘天灭中共。。啊不对，是提醒群众疫苗有害。

作者: 微苦蓝山 时间: 2021-10-24 08:53:30

有猫饼，哪个群体找不到一点极端的？才3万多个签名，算啥啊
新西兰还是太仁慈，应该规定将来不打疫苗的不给用ICU，看看有多少人还哔哔哔哔

作者: nanaBB 时间: 2021-10-24 09:48:10

老外圈？你才是这里的老外。

哪个圈子里都有支持疫苗和反疫苗，支持Ardern和反对她的人，你怎么不说大部分人是支持的呢？疫苗这个东西，哪个疫苗没有副作用，遇到了真的是概率和运气问题，我没遇到是我运气好，所以我同情遇到的人，但是有没有可能，这些人如果染上了COVID也会有同样甚至更重的反应？

9月份之前，我也是持观望状态，我老公想打，我坚决反对，因为就怕疫苗的副作用，我的理论是当时在新西兰没有病例，染上COVID的几率和疫苗的副作用比起来，后者更大。但是当德尔塔进来并且持续增长以后，我的观念就逐渐转变了，现在我们俩都已经接种了2剂，两人都有最常见的副作用，没有什么大问题。

风险管理就是这样的啊，例如任何手术都有风险，我去医院做个非常小的手术，因为是全麻所以手术前还得签一个输血授权书，医生再三跟我保证，这种事情几乎不可能发生，但是毕竟有一定的风险所以他们得把一切都准备好。我也不可能因为有大出血的几率就选择不做这个手术对吧？两者都有风险，那我肯定要选择风险小一点的。

我不知道你对阿司匹林和中风预防是否有什么了解，阿司匹林能有效的降低小中风和中风幸存者再次中风的风险，但是阿司匹林有一定的几率会引起内出血，但是不用的话再次中风的几率又更高，那选择哪个？答案很明了，对于大部分病人来说：阿司匹林。

白左的很大的一个问题就是太有同情心，有时候这不是件好事，同情心泛滥，声音太多了，反而干不成事。这些人有选择，可以选择不打，反正在新西兰有福利肯定饿不死，所以怕饿死不是借口，后果自己承担就好了。

作者: Nicky5 时间: 2021-10-24 10:05:59

nanaBB 发表于 2021-10-24 09:48
老外圈？你才是这里的老外。

哪个圈子里都有支持疫苗和反疫苗，支持Ardern和反对她的人，你怎么不说大部分 ...

写得很棒，赞一个~

作者: nanaBB 时间: 2021-10-24 10:17:40

不过政府如果够聪明的话，就应该加大对经历罕见疫苗副作用的人在医疗上和心理上的支持，别说辉瑞了，Novavax也会有副作用，批了以后，总会有人的反应比别人大。

因为疫苗加强针在未来的1-2年估计是常态，我打了2针没什么大反应，不代表3针4针就一定会平和。

作者: 留学研究生 时间: 2021-10-24 10:22:00

这是战争，总有人会牺牲

作者: aaron zhang 时间: 2021-10-24 11:33:33

给楼主一个大大的赞，猜猜这个贴子能不能撑过星期一，个人感觉没机会了！

作者: franklehuang 时间: 2021-10-24 11:43:27

提供副作用统计的全面，透明，公开信息，是消除谣言的最好办法。政府医疗主管部门应该是裁判的角色，对各药厂提供紧急使用的药物做安全背书是不妥的。

作者: 休克鱼888 时间: 2021-10-24 12:05:27

salesonline 发表于 2021-10-24 07:20
这样说话绕来绕去的人就是要带思路，如此简单的投诉写的如此复杂，看似高雅，实则陈词滥调换包装

newstalk ...

在纽村，打疫苗死的人，比感染新冠死的人多好多，被疫苗打死的人，被和谐了。

作者: variable 时间: 2021-10-24 13:54:33

最無聊的就是這些罵政府的文章，說政府在疫情方面撕裂社會，但是，隨便換一個政黨上來結果還是會這樣做，在野政黨說的狗屁就是要幹在野黨的動作，跟政府作對, mud slinging. 跟政府對著幹就是了，反正大家也證明不了在野黨是錯的。我不是工黨的粉絲，我之前是投國家黨的，我對工黨在這次的封城對那些特殊人口控制不力感覺很失望，但是縱觀這兩年縂的來説，無論哪個大的黨派，選擇的路綫都是會差不多。

作者: variable 时间: 2021-10-24 13:59:22

樓主天天發功，真是跟xx功越來越像了。

作者: royearth 时间: 2021-10-24 15:05:37

真啰嗦。打不打随你净搞些没用的

作者: finalrose 时间: 2021-10-24 15:34:19

salesonline 发表于 2021-10-24 07:20
这样说话绕来绕去的人就是要带思路，如此简单的投诉写的如此复杂，看似高雅，实则陈词滥调换包装

newstalk ...

疫苗刚打的时候是可以减少传染，但每个月效力下降，到了第4-6个月就和没打疫苗的人，一样具有传染和被传染的风险。唯一的区别是死亡率减少很多。所以号召全面接种的目的不是“为了”他人，而是为了避免医院不堪重负，死人太多不好看。新西兰没有疫情的时候，医院就已经不堪重负了。

打完有严重副作用的人大把，为啥主流媒体上完全看不到？很简单，主流媒体并非自由。

作者: yakitori 时间: 2021-10-24 15:52:17

finalrose 发表于 2021-10-24 15:34
疫苗刚打的时候是可以减少传染，但每个月效力下降，到了第4-6个月就和没打疫苗的人，一样具有传染和被传 ...

看问题的角度真的不一样。

我理解是打了疫苗，降低自身重症几率，从而降低医院挤兑的几率，降低死亡率。对我好，对社会好。
你的理解是打了疫苗，不是“为了”他人，而是为了避免医院不堪重负，死人太多不好看。对政府好。

主流媒体不自由是受了什么管制了吗？我看不是。

在正常人都理解目前疫情状况和疫苗作用的前提下，传播鼓励大家打疫苗，我看了是媒体对社会负责；而不是一天到晚像这个ID一样天天注重着比例非常低的副作用，打击接种疫苗的积极性。

其实没打疫苗的华人已经少之又少了。剩下的那些真正抵制疫苗，或者等什么特殊的信仰疫苗的。个人认为都是自私的脑残，避而远之吧。

作者: salesonline 时间: 2021-10-24 15:56:17

finalrose 发表于 2021-10-24 15:34
疫苗刚打的时候是可以减少传染，但每个月效力下降，到了第4-6个月就和没打疫苗的人，一样具有传染和被传 ...

避免医院不堪重负的方法是减少收治，避免死人太多不好看的方法是增加收治，这两句话存在矛盾

作者: finalrose 时间: 2021-10-24 20:55:45

本帖最后由 finalrose 于 2021-10-24 21:27 编辑

salesonline 发表于 2021-10-24 15:56
避免医院不堪重负的方法是减少收治，避免死人太多不好看的方法是增加收治，这两句话存在矛盾

...

医院不堪重负但不能拒绝收治病人，到了医院得不到救治就只能等死了，两句话没矛盾啊。

新西兰ICU总数及人均全球倒数第二。新西兰政府需要认真审视国家公共卫生系统多年来资金不足的问题，医疗资源配置的问题，因为这些问题让新西兰的医疗水平已经远远落后于澳大利亚。

原文请看
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/2_vERf_m8OAi-jpJIe31Pg

作者: finalrose 时间: 2021-10-24 21:25:58

本帖最后由 finalrose 于 2021-10-24 21:49 编辑

yakitori 发表于 2021-10-24 15:52
看问题的角度真的不一样。

我理解是打了疫苗，降低自身重症几率，从而降低医院挤兑的几率，降低死亡率。 ...

我的理解是打了疫苗，有了副作用的数据就该透明化，让人们基于事实和数据来判断，是否要打加强针。
你的理解是打了疫苗，即使有强烈副作用，媒体也不应该报道，避免‘打击接种疫苗的积极性’。

媒体最重要的职责应该是，客观报道和传播新闻事实，发挥舆论监督作用。而不是选择性报道。

新西兰药品和医疗器械安全管理局的网站上，有辉瑞副作用的列举。
https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/vaccine-report-overview.asp

请问副作用导致伤残多少人，死多少人是你可以接受的数目？
假设，你家人打疫苗后，很不幸成这些数目中的一个，你可以接受吗？

既然大家都知道打了瑞辉可以降低死亡，而不是传染。
如果有些人宁愿冒着死的危险也不愿意打瑞辉（要等副作用更小的Novawax疫苗到港），那也是他们选择的自由，并不妨碍别人。
为什么要剥夺他们选择等待的权利呢？

用蒙蔽的手段，剥夺人们选择等待的自由，让人们和孩子们盲目的继续打针，才是真正自私的脑残。

作者: Pltr 时间: 2021-10-24 21:53:25

yakitori 发表于 2021-10-24 15:52
看问题的角度真的不一样。

我理解是打了疫苗，降低自身重症几率，从而降低医院挤兑的几率，降低死亡率。 ...

个别人胆小或者身体有慢性病怕副作用，你说人家是自私脑残？你天天嘲笑大陆没人权，你瞧瞧你现在网上有啥区别？哈哈

作者: yakitori 时间: 2021-10-24 22:01:49

大陆是没人权啊，你不知道吗？这还需要嘲笑？

有慢性病的打不打尊医嘱。

除了身体状况不打的，我就是认为脑残自私。

。。。。。还有，请你理我远点。

作者: yakitori 时间: 2021-10-24 22:14:04

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finalrose 发表于 2021-10-24 21:25
我的理解是打了疫苗，有了副作用的数据就该透明化，让人们基于事实和数据来判断，是否要打加强针。
你的理 ...

几个月前，所有疫苗包括辉瑞，已经不能阻断Delta传播，我以为这已是世人皆知的。

1个月前，目前唯一一例和疫苗有关的死亡，当天可是媒体头条新闻。

所有副作用案例，数量，等等一切你要的信息，都在政府官网公布，所有人都可以看到。所以你的隐瞒，蒙蔽根本就不存在。

媒体当然有选择报道重要的，有意义的，并舆论监督。可你要媒体天天报道没日注射2，3万次，去找那2，3个负作用的报道，从而现实你所谓的透明性？拜托，你去官网看不就好了吗，何必占领媒体版面。

我就是认为身体没有问题的不打疫苗就是自私并且不负责任，或者是脑残的行为。

我的言论那里说是你不打不行，不打就要剥夺你选择等待的权利？请你回答下？

作者: 261874939 时间: 2021-10-24 22:18:04

应该是个好文章，可惜英语水平不行看不懂

作者: Pltr 时间: 2021-10-24 22:26:42

yakitori 发表于 2021-10-24 22:01
大陆是没人权啊，你不知道吗？这还需要嘲笑？

有慢性病的打不打尊医嘱。

哇哈哈则嘛？很小一部分的人想法和你不同，损害你利益了？不认同对方观点也别开骂啊……这里是民主社会啊

作者: yakitori 时间: 2021-10-24 22:30:44

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作者: Pltr 时间: 2021-10-24 22:39:07

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yakitori 发表于 2021-10-24 22:30

哇哈哈你对极少数不想打疫苗的同胞指指点点？哈哈劝你拿出半点功夫去质问一下当初为何要赌上500万人的正常生活去为了个别政客和更小部分接待澳洲游客的从业人员？哈哈开放了那个泡泡多挣了多少钱？挽救了多少人？现在150万封锁3个月500万人可能一起买单？你隔着儿对几个胆小，天天出门戴口罩的华人牛逼哄哄？

作者: 留学研究生 时间: 2021-10-25 00:56:57

休克鱼888 发表于 2021-10-24 12:05
在纽村，打疫苗死的人，比感染新冠死的人多好多，被疫苗打死的人，被和谐了。 ...

明白人，有些人都不知道病毒长什么样就先被疫苗嗝屁了，简直就是笑话，究竟有多少人知道前fda局长现在是辉瑞的股东

作者: judo 时间: 2021-10-25 08:20:21

yakitori 发表于 2021-10-24 15:52
看问题的角度真的不一样。

我理解是打了疫苗，降低自身重症几率，从而降低医院挤兑的几率，降低死亡率。 ...

我不明白你为什么这么极端的评价不打疫苗的人为'自私的脑残'。

很多人，特别是有长期病的人，比如血压病，打了一针后容易引起中风，轻度中风或者者类似反应，(这就是报告说的blood clot)，这不是传言，而是周围有发生的，虽然大部分最后都没事，但是这个信息还是传给周围圈子，这也是为什么毛利岛人抗拒比较大的原因，他们不是从网上看传言，而是社区经历传出来。

作者: 偶凸你凹 时间: 2021-10-25 11:22:14

范圆圆. 发表于 2021-10-24 07:58
得了新冠没注射疫苗的死亡率是2.5%，注射了两针辉瑞疫苗的死亡率是0.25%,相差9倍. ...

所以既得利益者是2%的人群

作者: 20080428 时间: 2021-10-26 11:05:20

开心妈妈发表于 2021-10-24 07:05
没明白，你是站在哪边的？站在写信人那边的？还是对立的啊？

一个小长假这里好热闹啊............

我的立场其实一直都没变，来这里发帖的初衷只是想让大家关注一下瑞辉的潜在副作用三思而后行。因为政府对这方面基本没有报道。

任何时候，都没用一个单纯的对与错，只有适合与不适合。没有对错，只有选择。

如果知道大概率会被传染，那打疫苗还是比不打疫苗要更好，哪怕是有副作用的瑞辉，但是如果本身已经有血液方面或者别的方面的疾病的那还是要认真权衡一下利弊。

孩子我是不建议打瑞辉的，因为孩子即便感染重症的比例也微乎其微，偶尔有出现大部分也是有其他基础疾病，普通流感对他们也会致命，但是打了之后的长期副作用不仅仅只是血液的问题，发育，遗传等等很多都有可能会受影响。

没有绝对安全的疫苗，对于covid而言更没有绝对有效的疫苗，所以如果暂时感染概率不高，或者换句话说如果不在奥克兰这些高风险地区，瑞辉不是好的选择，等一下更传统的疫苗更好，因为你什么时候会用到或者说是否会接触病毒是个未知数但是打了之后对身体的影响却是肯定的。

没必要为了疫苗而相互攻击，大家只是做了适合自己的选择而已，有精力多赚钱，现在可是敛财千载难逢的机会。

作者: auckland.clark 时间: 2021-10-26 11:08:00

20080428 发表于 2021-10-26 11:05
一个小长假这里好热闹啊............

我的立场其实一直都没变，来这里发帖的初衷只是想让大家关注一下瑞 ...

没必要为了疫苗而相互攻击，大家只是做了适合自己的选择而已，有精力多赚钱，现在可是敛财千载难逢的机会。

x 2

作者: 20080428 时间: 2021-10-26 11:25:28

bintoo 发表于 2021-10-24 08:43
楼主辛苦了，长假期还不忘天灭中共。。啊不对，是提醒群众疫苗有害。

这一点我要说明白，中国必将成为世界头号强国，美国会慢慢适应自己的地位。中国共产党也是中国目前最好的选择，哪怕有很多负面消息。

作者: 20080428 时间: 2021-10-26 11:28:56

moonIlight2013 发表于 2021-10-24 07:10
副统帅，你说咋搞？这女人有这时间唧唧歪歪写这么多，比如赶快去打针。找这么多借口， ...

打针哪有发财有吸引力，大家赶紧敛财

作者: jli044 时间: 2021-10-26 11:54:25

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作者: 代达罗斯之殇 时间: 2021-10-26 14:30:21

节假日不回复工作日才有空
不能因为中国的官僚机构都这样就觉得外国人不这样吧。。。
那些个kiwi同事请年假/病假从来不会把事情都处理完再放假的

作者: 开心妈妈 时间: 2021-10-26 14:35:22

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20080428 发表于 2021-10-26 11:05
一个小长假这里好热闹啊............

我的立场其实一直都没变，来这里发帖的初衷只是想让大家关注一下瑞 ...

现在明白了

作者: 20080428 时间: 2021-10-26 15:14:17

代达罗斯之殇发表于 2021-10-26 14:30
节假日不回复工作日才有空
不能因为中国的官僚机构都这样就觉得外国人不这样吧。。。
那些个kiwi同事请年 ...

因为作为一个资深FC，下班后和节假日才是我的主战场，工作时间比较闲，可以上来溜达溜达，不过还是要少溜达多赚钱

祝大家在大流行期间都能使劲敛财改变命运

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