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作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-5-30 07:22:04 标题: North Shore bids to be an independent nation

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national ... ependent-city-state

中文文章 : http://news.skykiwi.com/na/zh/2018-05-29/397645.shtml

North shore is about the size of singapore with population of about 300,000.

If you want to stir things up, this is an independent bid to make it a nation on its own.

Give your signature if you support the bid, it needs 400,000 signatures to call for a referendum.

A referendum similar to BREXIT will see North Shore breaking away from NZ. A passport will be needed if South Auckland people want to enter North Shore Independent State.

" we will make north shore great, a technology based nation "

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30/5/2018: The weather is freezing cold outside, i decided to have an active discussion on what it takes to be a City State, taking a few countries as points of reference, namely Singapore, Monaco, Vetican, Tax haven island ( Panama), the work ethics and the Spirit of Capitalism in Hong Kong and Taiwan.

When using those countries as points of reference in discussing North Shore Independent State (NSIS), the discussion slowly tune towards the following issues:

- on tax structures: how low tax regime would end up motivate the people and the nation to excel rather than punishing them for the hard work they produce.
- Social policy on compulsory saving and employer contribution and retirement.
- Ageing and Multi culture based retirement communal villages and partly government funded policy in elderly care. Age with dignity/ respect.
- foreign investment ( how Global Head Quarter can set a base in North Shore and capitalising on its human Capital), gradual taxation on foreign companies to encourage them setting a base and creating employment opportunities.
-how quality immigration and concept of meritocracy should be a centre of focus over popular culture in the making of city State.

- Location of CBD and light rails and building of intelligent city; how the city is interconnected with the light rail link.
- Eco and environmental friendly city

- Developing Technology hub to be a "silicon valley of the Pacific"; start up, enterprenuership; potential for financial hub (banking secrecy ; parking of assets and money)and "swisszerland of the pacific". Investors friendly regulations and compliance.

- Zero Tolerance to crime and rule of law to be of paramout priority for the City State and among other issues in the form of questions and answers.

This is a hypothetical situation, of course some people take it quite seriously and some take it with sense of humours...... Whatever it is and whoever you are, you are welcome to participate, to mock, to LOL and most of all have fun.

作者: 我真不是孙红雷 时间: 2018-5-30 07:28:43

北岸要独立的节奏

作者: NewLynnHse 时间: 2018-5-30 08:09:28

哈哈。。。货币是NS$？

作者: 呼啸寒风 时间: 2018-5-30 08:33:32

早该如此~~~~~

作者: tiannz 时间: 2018-5-30 09:16:21

护法们又回来了！

作者: 包不同 时间: 2018-5-30 09:39:28

那女的是脑袋进水了，以Rich chinese 在北岸的比例，独立了总理也不是由她来当

作者: DDD888 时间: 2018-5-30 09:40:07

四百万人养国会议员已经太贵了，现在竟然有人想三十万人也独立养那许多国会议员

我在想啥时候，新西兰和澳大利亚和美国合并那该多好啊

作者: Chatbox 时间: 2018-5-30 09:43:58

这是一盘大棋，独立了以后搞个教皇啥的，梵蒂冈据说巨有钱。

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-5-30 09:45:23

DDD888 发表于 2018-5-30 09:40
四百万人养国会议员已经太贵了，现在竟然有人想三十万人也独立养那许多国会议员

我在想啥时候，新西兰和澳 ...

Don't think too far, the model will not be the same as Auckland.

It will be a rich nation with a prime minister and 5 ministers ( small group will do), model can be like Monoco, targeting rich people and where they can park the money in North Shore.

The nation has potential to grow to 3 million population as a financial,medical and technologies hubs

People who hold property now in north shore will see the increase in price if it becomes an independent nation.

作者: tiannz 时间: 2018-5-30 09:45:56

Chatbox 发表于 2018-5-30 09:43
这是一盘大棋，独立了以后搞个教皇啥的，梵蒂冈据说巨有钱。

搓背教？

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-5-30 09:47:39

NewLynnHse 发表于 2018-5-30 08:09
哈哈。。。货币是NS$？

It will be Cyber currency, no physical money is needed. Only need it may be if you go to Auckland or Aussie to spend.

haha......

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-5-30 09:49:41

Chatbox 发表于 2018-5-30 09:43
这是一盘大棋，独立了以后搞个教皇啥的，梵蒂冈据说巨有钱。

Singapore started with 200,000 population.

Look at hongkong, Taiwan, they were fishing villages before.

History speaks for itself

作者: Chatbox 时间: 2018-5-30 09:52:03

tiannz 发表于 2018-5-30 09:45
搓背教？

没办法，教皇也有难处嘛，好租让人搓，不好租给人搓呗。总之巨有钱就好哈哈哈。

作者: 房奴甲 时间: 2018-5-30 09:56:49

哈哈上次我说北岸共和国要在大桥上设卡查签证，还真有人打算干？

我觉得是这人去年没选上MP,现在找辙做点夸张动作博眼球，为下届当选做准备。北岸又不是加州，起码得联合Rodney。

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-5-30 09:58:18

房奴甲发表于 2018-5-30 09:56
哈哈上次我说北岸共和国要在大桥上设卡查签证，还真有人打算干？

我觉得是这人去年没选上MP,现在找辙做点 ...

Rodney will be renamed and part of north shore. The size is about right for a nation.

作者: MR2(SW20) 时间: 2018-5-30 10:03:56

Size of Singapore but the location is way off the map ... they really need to think before talk ....

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-5-30 10:08:43

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MR2(SW20) 发表于 2018-5-30 10:03
Size of Singapore but the location is way off the map ... they really need to think before talk .... ...

It will be a safe haven.

politically neutral like swisszerland. People can park their assets and money here, it will be internationally attractive.

作者: 房奴甲 时间: 2018-5-30 10:09:50

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-5-30 10:08
It will be a safe haven.

确实。其实是个好主意，最好不给南区人发签证，但是去南区能免签？

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-5-30 10:10:51

房奴甲发表于 2018-5-30 10:09
确实。其实是个好主意，最好不给南区人发签证，但是去南区能免签？

i think it is a workable thing, i will join in the signature and stir things up and join the "NorthXIT campaign"......... haha.

作者: MR2(SW20) 时间: 2018-5-30 10:17:05

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-5-30 10:08
It will be a safe haven.

with a population of 300,000 and poor urban infrastructure, how is it supposed to financially support the normal government operation and administration? Assuming there will be no tax of the assets and monetary "parked" there....otherwise, the attraction would be just a dream, wouldn't it.

作者: 房奴甲 时间: 2018-5-30 10:26:16

MR2(SW20) 发表于 2018-5-30 10:17
with a population of 300,000 and poor urban infrastructure, how is it supposed to financially supp ...

没事，卖签证就行。一个PR一百万吧。。。。。。。

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-5-30 10:26:35

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MR2(SW20) 发表于 2018-5-30 10:17
with a population of 300,000 and poor urban infrastructure, how is it supposed to financially supp ...

It will support immigration.

50% of singapore population are made of immigrants.
first $100,000 pe annum income tax free.

Then encourage Internation Corps to set up head office here with tax incentives....
The infrastructure can easily be built with light rail connecting each other and with minimal use of cars.

Anyone who need to buy a car will have to pay some permit fee ( like the one used in singapore). It will be handy if they need to drive to Auckland.

most of the houses in Northcote and northcote points will be acquired as new CBD, mirroring Auckland

作者: 房奴甲 时间: 2018-5-30 10:31:05

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-5-30 10:26
It will support immigration.

50% of singapore population are made of immigrants.

真美好，马上行动吧给她投票！哈哈！

问题是不可能。如果能成功，对本地居民来说肯定有利。

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-5-30 10:34:04

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房奴甲发表于 2018-5-30 10:26
没事，卖签证就行。一个PR一百万吧。。。。。。。

The next phase will be " silicon valley of Pacific"

No need to sell PR, the good international companies will want to set up offices here for tax incentives.... The nation will tax them gradually over a period of time ( say over a period of 10 yrs). It will provide job opportunities for North shore citizens /PR.

In no time, the population in North shore will grow to 1-2 million, you will see construction boom and infrastructure boom that you never seen before.

Most of the workers from Auckland will flood to North shore to work. Grant them daily passes to come to work is probably okay.... there will be special buses to send them off the bridge which is an immigration check-point.

作者: MR2(SW20) 时间: 2018-5-30 11:01:17

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-5-30 10:26
It will support immigration.

50% of singapore population are made of immigrants.

Ar ha ... I got you ... basically just copy Singapore completely from top to bottom. It may work but you see there is one fundamental part missing here, it took years for Singapore to be position where it is now despite the culture and geo-location difference. Will North shore be able to survive the shock caused by the decision like this is still a question mark. More importantly, are residents willing to take such risk .....

Well, what do I know, right, I'm not even a resident of North Shore ....

作者: MR2(SW20) 时间: 2018-5-30 11:01:48

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-5-30 10:26
It will support immigration.

50% of singapore population are made of immigrants.

作者: 呼啸寒风 时间: 2018-5-30 11:02:32

这个要支持！！！！！！！！！！！！！！

作者: subrina02 时间: 2018-5-30 11:09:12

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-5-30 10:08
It will be a safe haven.

这人脑子进水了

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-5-30 11:18:27

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MR2(SW20) 发表于 2018-5-30 11:01
Ar ha ... I got you ... basically just copy Singapore completely from top to bottom. It may work b ...

No worries, you will soon want to be a North Shore Resident with all these possibilities. haha..........

1) It will be Zero tolerant to Crime. As the area is small, there will be police petroling 24 hours.

2) If Up North people want to join the North Shore Independent Nation, they will be encouraged to join. Up north will be designed with good retirement villages with good eco friendly system. Residents will plant their own fruits, vegetable. Different races will be encourage to submit their ideas and make the retirement villages accessible to all races and conforming to their life style. The health care is paramout and people will need some respect for the old age.

3) A scheme like "saving for old age (SOA)" will be implemented and compulsory contribution: 10% of your salary and 10% from employer. So you save 20% a month, it will go to your retirement savings under the sovereign fund.
The sovereign Fund will have machinenary to invest in local and overseas companies for the savers.

作者: trdeyoualbert 时间: 2018-5-30 11:35:02

NewLynnHse 发表于 2018-5-30 08:09
哈哈。。。货币是NS$？

yes

作者: DDD888 时间: 2018-5-30 11:35:13

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-5-30 11:18
No worries, you will soon want to be a North Shore Resident with all these possibilities. haha..... ...

我是坚决反对啦，一点好处都没有，上次已上当了，说来个大奥克兰，说地税会减少，上当只能一次啦

作者: trdeyoualbert 时间: 2018-5-30 11:35:24

呼啸寒风发表于 2018-5-30 11:02
这个要支持！！！！！！！！！！！！！！

作者: trdeyoualbert 时间: 2018-5-30 11:35:58

support

作者: MR2(SW20) 时间: 2018-5-30 11:53:54

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-5-30 11:18
No worries, you will soon want to be a North Shore Resident with all these possibilities. haha..... ...

Majority of Malaysian do not even bother to become Singaporean.

I will close the discussion with a quote from Nujood Ali,

"Compared to dreams, reality can be truly cruel. But it can also come up with beautiful surprises."

作者: 房奴甲 时间: 2018-5-30 12:19:23

要变成摩纳哥就太好了，但是too good to be true. 要是变成新加坡就算了吧！我还不如当年直接去新加坡呢，那时候不要太容易去哦。

作者: jsmith2 时间: 2018-5-30 12:39:22

誰又妄想分裂祖國？

作者: NewLynnHse 时间: 2018-5-30 12:52:06

房奴甲发表于 2018-5-30 12:19
要变成摩纳哥就太好了，但是too good to be true. 要是变成新加坡就算了吧！我还不如当年直接去新加坡呢， ...

其实还是不太一样的，住在新加坡的感觉好像住在一个烤箱里。。。哈哈

作者: 陌生的香港人 时间: 2018-5-30 13:09:22

其實不是太新的建議離心一直都在例如rodney和waiheke顧城島一早就說要獨立雖然不過只是想離開Auckland Council 當然北岸搞到要建什麼國的則拉得有點遠了不過搞笑而已

順便分享一篇之前在夥伴版寫過關於這次獨立風潮的文章《來生不做奧克蘭人》呵呵

http://friends.skykiwi.com/colum ... 2017-12-15/541.html

作者: NewLynnHse 时间: 2018-5-30 13:11:07

陌生的香港人发表于 2018-5-30 13:09
其實不是太新的建議離心一直都在例如rodney和waiheke顧城島一早就說要獨立雖然不過只是想離開Auckl ...

这个要独立，可不是脱离奥克兰哦，是脱离新西兰。。。真的要建国的那种独立

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-5-30 13:13:16

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MR2(SW20) 发表于 2018-5-30 11:53
Majority of Malaysian do not even bother to become Singaporean.

I will close the discussion with ...

Mohammad Ali once said " One punch, if you hit it right, that will be the winning punch"
One Referendum, one decision, your decision for independent North Shore.

haha....

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-5-30 13:22:10

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NewLynnHse 发表于 2018-5-30 12:52
其实还是不太一样的，住在新加坡的感觉好像住在一个烤箱里。。。哈哈

Singapore is a point of reference ( notice not "the"), Monaco, Vetican, Tax haven country ( eg Panama) are also points of reference. Hong kong, Taiwan - the working ethics and the spirit of capitalism are also point of reference.

The un-compromised principle are :

-There will be Rule of Law for international confident.
- A respect for commercial certainty for people to invest.
-Meritocracy not based on popular culture but on individual achievements.

作者: NewLynnHse 时间: 2018-5-30 13:25:06

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-5-30 13:22
Singapore is point of a reference, Monaco, Vetican, Tax haven country ( eg Panama) are also point o ...

As a country, the geographical location is 硬伤 for economic growth。Can't just depend on being a Tax haven right?

作者: 房奴甲 时间: 2018-5-30 13:27:55

NewLynnHse 发表于 2018-5-30 12:52
其实还是不太一样的，住在新加坡的感觉好像住在一个烤箱里。。。哈哈

蒸笼吧。

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-5-30 13:34:51

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NewLynnHse 发表于 2018-5-30 13:25
As a country, the geographical location is 硬伤 for economic growth。Can't just depend on being a ...

The world is now so connected. It will be IT hub, Financial hub.
It has to be tax friendly to International Corps and for individuals as well.

At the moment, there is a good human capital ( smart people) in the country, can encourage more through immigration, it will be a good start up for many international companies as well as local companies as human resources are all ready here.

The Independent City State is small, so will rely on Servicing Sectors (eg HQ for International Corps, online business), friendliness (tax, and less regulatory control) in developing it into another "Silicon Valley of Pacific"

作者: MR2(SW20) 时间: 2018-5-30 13:37:25

NewLynnHse 发表于 2018-5-30 13:25
As a country, the geographical location is 硬伤 for economic growth。Can't just depend on being a ...

There is no point of discussing it with bungyjumping999. Obviously, the importance of geo-location means nothing. None of the sample CTs that he/she provided is solely rely on being tax heaven. Even Singapore has the second busiest port in the whole Globe to support their annual GDP.

So, lets packed up and go back to the things more meaningful in life. lol

作者: ybbest 时间: 2018-5-30 14:16:39

政府不在北岸投资是事实。不过也没有办法。现在的政治环境是提供可负担住房。就是南区，西区。和中区的高密度。

作者: Feature 时间: 2018-5-30 14:19:23

瞎扯淡，该干嘛干嘛吧

作者: 楼主 时间: 2018-5-30 14:34:31

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-5-30 09:45
Don't think too far, the model will not be the same as Auckland.

It will be a rich nation with a ...

嗯，1号18号高速还是NZ的，北岸人民上高速还要签证，想想都兴奋。

作者: pear 时间: 2018-5-30 15:43:07

北岸独立后，政府只要对大桥收费就能把它困死了。

作者: rzrljb 时间: 2018-5-30 15:51:26

北岸终于要脱离这些低端区了

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-5-30 16:12:28

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pear 发表于 2018-5-30 15:43
北岸独立后，政府只要对大桥收费就能把它困死了。

Haha... it depends how you see it, it should be the other way.

North Shore Independent State ( NSIS) will have its own airport and people will want to come to north shore to work than for north shore resident to go out of north shore ( may be for cheap entertainments in weekend as the currency may end up higher due to efficiency and low debt). The Road Toll will be imposed on people coming in so as to discourage.....??

If you fit your eyes on the current north shore, you will think as you think it is now. no offence.
May be NSIS can sponsor another bridge ( or underwater tunnel) to Auckland in future for "old time" sake.

作者: DDD888 时间: 2018-5-30 16:33:39

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-5-30 16:12
Haha... it depends how you see it, it should be the other way.

North Shore Independent State ( NSI ...

你看，成立一个国后，莫名其妙就要额外付钱啦，对本地老百姓有啥好处啊？

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-5-30 16:38:29

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DDD888 发表于 2018-5-30 16:33
你看，成立一个国后，莫名其妙就要额外付钱啦，对本地老百姓有啥好处啊？ ...

If the Nation is rich, it will pass on to the people......... The wealth of the nation is shared with its people.

If your take home pay is $100k with no tax for the first 100k, you have a lot of money in your pocket, you can afford to spend more ( discretionary spending).

Those costs will be considered small if on average everyone will be earning more and paying less tax.
The Government will be aggresive to get foreign investments as a way to fund the small nation and gradual tax to get their commitments in building a base here.

I always think is easier to manage a city state than managing a nation. Take for example, 1/3th of tax payers are in Auckland and its revenue has to be shared with the rest of the country.
Hong kong as a colony (in the past)and city state can be prosperious, as it is vibrant with a lot of young people willing to venture there and friendly to investors ( you can read about its tax rates)

作者: Eastpark 时间: 2018-5-30 16:50:26

300K population, but needs 400K signature. It is just a joke.

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-5-30 16:54:09

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Eastpark 发表于 2018-5-30 16:50
300K population, but needs 400K signature. It is just a joke.

The signatures can be from the whole of Auckland, north south east west....... even south island or the corner of invercargill to herald island, cook island, any island you can name. Any signature is a stamp of approval

You might ask why would people sign?
Well, this is a strange nation.... everything is possible.

Changing the voting system (require referendum) to MMP, some bills that passed through parliament - homosexual reform act, anti smacking act, prostitution reform act, this country has made the first.

作者: 陌生的香港人 时间: 2018-5-30 18:59:33

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NewLynnHse 发表于 2018-5-30 13:11
这个要独立，可不是脱离奥克兰哦，是脱离新西兰。。。真的要建国的那种独立 ...

政客打飛機而已（雖然她是個女的）你那麼認真啊老實說真的要說獨立建國的話南島基督城宣布帶領全南島脫離北島管治都未輪到奧克蘭北岸啦

作者: ronaldlu 时间: 2018-5-30 19:53:57

好事啊，把所有桥和渡轮都封了看谁怕谁。

作者: lsj5031 时间: 2018-5-30 20:45:42

哈哈，现在买还来得及吗……

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-5-31 09:53:10

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lsj5031 发表于 2018-5-30 20:45
哈哈，现在买还来得及吗……

Nothing is too late, all landed property price will be "sky is the limit" as land will become a scarcity in any city-state.

If you want to be the next Li Ka Shin in this City State, this is your time. haha....

作者: NewLynnHse 时间: 2018-5-31 10:49:57

lsj5031 发表于 2018-5-30 20:45
哈哈，现在买还来得及吗……

哈哈，10年前可能也有人在问这个问题。20年前的人也可能在问同样的问题。

作者: trdeyoualbert 时间: 2018-5-31 20:32:29

楼主发表于 2018-5-30 14:34
嗯，1号18号高速还是NZ的，北岸人民上高速还要签证，想想都兴奋。

还要加过桥费一次五十分
为大奥克兰基础建设添砖加瓦

作者: trdeyoualbert 时间: 2018-5-31 20:33:29

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-5-30 16:12
Haha... it depends how you see it, it should be the other way.

North Shore Independent State ( NSI ...

不可能有钱盖机场

作者: trdeyoualbert 时间: 2018-5-31 20:35:03

ronaldlu 发表于 2018-5-30 19:53
好事啊，把所有桥和渡轮都封了看谁怕谁。

对好玩

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-6-1 08:51:41

本帖最后由 bungyjumping999 于 2018-6-1 09:05 编辑

trdeyoualbert 发表于 2018-5-31 20:33
不可能有钱盖机场

The Whenuapai army airbase will be deployed and converted to Commercial Airport, that part technically belongs to North Shore (which is close to Greenhithe and Herald Island).

That is a good starting point for North Shore Airport. We don't need army air-base as North Shore State is politically neutral. The airport can be expanded further (eg plenty of farm land near totara road etc).

The airport can be tendered as a private investment entity consisting of 55% North Shore State-owned and 45% private/overseas shareholders owned. In no time, it will expand and overtake Auckland Airport (AIA).

It is a monopolised business (and will compete with AIA), think about it.

Haha........

作者: trdeyoualbert 时间: 2018-6-1 09:12:45

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-6-1 08:51
The Whenuapai army airbase will be deployed and converted to Commercial Airport, that part technica ...

知道你会意淫这个机场
军用到商用有很长一段路
另外航空公司傻呀开航到这么近设备这么落后的机场呀

不过意淫一下还挺不错

作者: trdeyoualbert 时间: 2018-6-1 09:13:18

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-6-1 08:51
The Whenuapai army airbase will be deployed and converted to Commercial Airport, that part technica ...

知道你会意淫这个机场
军用到商用有很长一段路
另外航空公司傻呀开航到这么近设备这么落后的机场呀

不过意淫一下还挺不错

作者: ybbest 时间: 2018-6-1 11:22:36

这个太牛了，估计是被其他人政治边缘化了。自己只能做一些极端的事情来博取眼球了。

作者: bungyjumping999 时间: 2018-6-1 12:34:28

本帖最后由 bungyjumping999 于 2018-6-1 16:10 编辑

ybbest 发表于 2018-6-1 11:22
这个太牛了，估计是被其他人政治边缘化了。自己只能做一些极端的事情来博取眼球了。 ...

Isn't it a lot of good ideas started off being oppressed, marginalised and mocked by people and thereafter became a good idea? and people (the oppressors, mockers) end up say why didn't I see that first?

Haha...

作者: ybbest 时间: 2018-6-1 16:50:07

bungyjumping999 发表于 2018-6-1 12:34
Isn't it a lot of good ideas started off being oppressed, marginalised and mocked by people and the ...

这个我同意，不过领头的人都会很惨。这样的人当政治任务并不适合，学学当年Len brown怎么得到民心推动自己的换成铁路计划的。

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