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作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-12 22:07:48 标题: Easy to get a same role in Australia with higher pay?

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作者: eason？ 时间: 2016-6-12 22:52:31

挣得多房租日用也不低吧

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-13 09:13:07

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liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-13 08:13
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Australia&city1=Brisbane&country2 ...

布里斯本机会有悉尼多吗

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-13 10:13:19

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作者: 萨米 时间: 2016-6-13 13:28:15

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-13 09:13
Hay, it's the comparison with Auckland not Sydney.

因为奥克兰比nz其他城市机会多，造成了奥克兰如此境地。

如果布里斯本机会甚至没有奥克兰多，那么这个比较就没有意义了。

我也不知道你是什么职业，反正我的职业看来，QLD机会没有奥克兰多。但是悉尼就多的多。当然悉尼也有呵呵的房价。

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-13 14:29:58

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作者: 萨米 时间: 2016-6-13 17:16:42

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-13 13:29
I'm doing electronics/embedded, with very few choices in Auckland.

There's no doubt Sydney has th ...

如果能在BRN这种地方找到合适自己工作的话，挪去那也是极好的

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作者: 117wik 时间: 2016-6-15 08:58:06

Career opportunities - Australia way better than NZ (way more multinational companies that have a presence in Aust rather than NZ).

Salary wise - typically for same job title, Melbourne and Sydney pay $20k more than AKL.

Ability to save money - it's probably equal, more pay in Mel/Syd, more places to spend money, and higher living cost too.

Raising a family - i prefer NZ rather than Aust, don't wanna raise a family in a country where there are poisonous snakes/spiders everywhere.

In terms of personal achievement, i suppose the saying that "gold will shine no matter where you go" is right? Quite often there's a ceiling working as technical SME, if you are willing to get to the next level, it takes time to establish reputation and relationship within the same company/industry. My current package is already higher than what an Australia company will pay for my title and i did it in NZ (mainly because there's a huge shortage of people like myself in NZ that can do what i can).

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liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-15 09:10
One remarkable thing is Auckland's housing price is at the level of Sydney/Melboune, but weak in any ...

你去了澳洲，难道就没有人在炒房了吗？我觉得你现在的想法又点偏激，即便你去澳洲的工资真的高了很多，可是如果你不去想办法节省开支，去做一些个人的理财规划和投资，仅仅工资往上涨一些，你的生活质量还是不会提高的。
如果你去了澳洲，工资涨了30% ，你如果和我们在Auckland生活的人比可能会觉得有优越感。可是你毕竟在澳洲生活了，你发现你的工资，还是很周边的人差不多，也就没有什么优越感了。你的工资已经达到了6位数了，想你说的在往上升就不容易了。所以我觉得你现在应该静下心来，分析一下怎么才能挣更多的钱。我觉得最简单的办法，就是跳槽或者去其它工资更高的国家。可是从长远来看，找一家有发展潜力的公司，公司给你能提供足够的职业发展空间，肯花钱在你身上培养你。而你也可以静下心来踏踏实实的工作，慢慢的去往公司更高的职位奋斗，才是更加明知的选择。

还有不要怨天尤人，总觉得自己的处境都是别人的错误。如果你也想挣更多的钱，那就往更高的职位发展，踏踏实实在一个公司做一段时间。如果你觉得投资房产的人都赚钱了，那你为什么不花时间了解一下，论坛里那么多专家，人家赚钱也是付出了很多努力的，不是你想的买房那么简单。如果你想让你太太出去工作，和你太太去谈谈，她可能也很像工作只不过她可能不想工作的理由是她觉得找不到一个好的工作。你可以帮你太太找找，看看有什么工作合适她。

说了这么多，觉得楼主的压力可能真的很大，可是我觉得挣更多的钱并不是解决你生活压力的办法。还是改变一下生活的态度。

作者: anzac_corp 时间: 2016-6-15 14:56:35

在新西兰呆着就是图一个work-life balance. 新西兰的生活质量是无与伦比的，我去过的三十多个国家，没有一个比得上新西兰。

如果你要追求career，现阶段应该到大陆来。在大陆的互联网企业工作，你的收入更高，升迁更快，也可以接触到比新西兰多得多的人、项目和技术，有机会还可以自己创业。在大陆过一天，等于在新西兰一星期，无形中等于多7倍的经历，生命延长7倍！

到澳洲工作？除掉额外生活的开销，你多得到10%就很不错了，生活不会有任何本质的改变！

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-15 19:13:09

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作者: anzac_corp 时间: 2016-6-15 19:38:21

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-15 18:14
What's the bad thing in Perth/Adelaide/Brisbane in comparison with Auckland, according to your exp ...

Perth/Adelaide的人气和diversity/dynamcis不如奥克兰，Brisbane好一点。这三个澳洲二线城市，在目前汇率下，收入水准和生活水准和奥克兰相比并没有什么优势。

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-15 19:46:02

anzac_corp 发表于 2016-6-15 13:56
在新西兰呆着就是图一个work-life balance. 新西兰的生活质量是无与伦比的，我去过的三十多个国家，没有一 ...

>>在大陆过一天，等于在新西兰一星期，无形中等于多7倍的经历，生命延长7倍！

That is an interesting post. We can develop lots of idea on this thought. :-) i.e. the people live in china age 70 years old has around 490 years nz experience. That is amazing :-)

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作者: anzac_corp 时间: 2016-6-15 21:07:57

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-15 19:13
I used to work in China, and I agree there are much more tech opportunities in Shanghai, however I ...

I fully understand. It can be very frustrating and poses plenty of challenges... But there is always a flip side. To begin with, working and living in China broadens horizon. You get to know many people, expose to large projects and business opportunities that can only be dreamed of in NZ. You get to witness tremendous changes in various aspects of life that makes a return to NZ like a travel back in time.

Wherever we are, I think it is important to stay positive and open.

作者: anzac_corp 时间: 2016-6-15 21:10:20

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-15 19:06
What's the "人气"? The housing price or the number of Chinese restaurants?

What we can learn from ...

The electronic products in AU are cheaper than that in NZ. They are even much much cheaper in China. That is the power of economy of scale, and that is what I referred to as "人气"

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作者: anzac_corp 时间: 2016-6-15 21:48:24

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-15 20:38
Are you joking, which electronic sold in China is the cheapest?

http://www.priceoftravel.com/292 . ...

Read carefully, I didn't say electronics sold in China are always the cheapest.

But, you can find a huge variety of electronics in China with the latest models. The prices of certain electronic products, e.g., China-branded mobile phones / TV, are the cheapest in China of course.

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作者: anzac_corp 时间: 2016-6-15 22:36:34

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-15 20:55
When talking about price, we compare the same brand/type.

If you use the price of a Shazhai to ov ...

You have probably been away from China for too long and have little idea of how far that country has come.

There are premium China-made electronic products with amazing prices. The latest models of Huawei mobile phones, for example, are by far the best mobile phones, easily blowing iPhone out of water, hands down. SmartTVs like Xiaomi/LeTV, offer far better user experience than any international brands in many ways.

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作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-16 10:10:55

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-15 20:38
Are you joking, which electronic sold in China is the cheapest?

http://www.priceoftravel.com/292 . ...

This is a good candidate

Only chinese yuan 129 which is around nzd25

http://www.mi.com/miwifimini/

I have one and I am using it now. It is really good and fast and reliable. :-)

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-16 10:18:28

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-15 20:38
Are you joking, which electronic sold in China is the cheapest?

http://www.priceoftravel.com/292 . ...

Another candidate

http://item.jd.com/1617332674.html 手机专享价￥6606.00
http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=877671 nz $2,354.14 = 9716.11 Chinese Yuan

作者: XiaoFaye 时间: 2016-6-16 12:28:08

anzac_corp 发表于 2016-6-15 13:56
在新西兰呆着就是图一个work-life balance. 新西兰的生活质量是无与伦比的，我去过的三十多个国家，没有一 ...

我看是断命7倍吧？怎么会生命延长7倍？

作者: anzac_corp 时间: 2016-6-16 14:18:18

XiaoFaye 发表于 2016-6-16 11:28
我看是断命7倍吧？怎么会生命延长7倍？

Ha ha, well said! But in a way life is all about experience - the people we met, the places we traveled to, the stories we played a part. So that when it comes to retirement we shall be content with the thought that we've been there, done that...

Living in NZ is a privilege but pity it does not bear a lot of fruit of memories as life harps on day by day...

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-16 14:18:20

XiaoFaye 发表于 2016-6-16 11:28
我看是断命7倍吧？怎么会生命延长7倍？

I agree what you said.

作者: anzac_corp 时间: 2016-6-16 14:29:18

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 08:33
You are right it's been a few years since I left China, and I knew relatively less about the China ...

哈哈，觉得我们离题太远了。你需要多回国看看才能发现中国的变化有多迅速有多巨大。

在另外一个帖子里，我批评了那些对中国现状有着盲目乐观和崇拜的情绪，这个国家仍然面临巨大的挑战。但对中国的变化视而不见或拒绝接受，是海外华人的另外一个极端，同样是自欺欺人的。如果说距离产生美，距离也可以加深成见，哈哈。

作者: XiaoFaye 时间: 2016-6-16 16:36:22

anzac_corp 发表于 2016-6-16 13:29
哈哈，觉得我们离题太远了。你需要多回国看看才能发现中国的变化有多迅速有多巨大。

在另外一个帖子里， ...

国内城市的发展确实迅速而巨大，但对我来说只是物质方面的，在精神方面仍然是落后国家。

赤裸裸的家暴，只要不死人，报警也没用。
满大街上演打小三，打渣男，拍裸照。
各大电视广告满屏幕的假药，无用保健品，还有蒲田系医院。

在我眼里看来，那就跟原始社会差不多，表面发展得多漂亮都与我无关。

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XiaoFaye 发表于 2016-6-16 15:36
国内城市的发展确实迅速而巨大，但对我来说只是物质方面的，在精神方面仍然是落后国家。

赤裸裸的家暴， ...

你说的问题的确都存在，和数量庞大的粗鲁、无诚信、打鸡血的人群共处，确实是生活在国内的极大挑战。不过话说回来，活在新西兰你也需要担心一些问题，如小偷小摸、懒散、吸毒、酗酒、种族歧视等。中国是在上升通道的野蛮国家，而新西兰是处在退化过程中的文明国家。生于忧患，死于安乐。历史的发展，不就是野蛮一次次打败文明的过程么？

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作者: anzac_corp 时间: 2016-6-16 20:38:12

Well, enough has been said. I start to wonder where this conversation is leading us to...

I am happy to share what I see, perceive and think about NZ and China. But we need to stay positive and take the emotional rants out of the dialog. Agree?

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liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 19:52
Stay with "positive energy"?

I wonder who on earth got emotional, you or others? Right, not just ...

Many years ago, at the start of my career, one of my mentors shared with me a piece of advise which I cherished all the way along.

He said, instead of trying to show how smart and powerful you are, try prove you are reliable and trustworthy. This helps win friends and get things done.

You mentioned you were a new people manager and still learning the ropes. I trust you will find this bowl of "chicken soup" useful too:)

作者: love_3_month 时间: 2016-6-16 21:47:21

所以你最大的不满，是奥克兰房价太高吗，其他的收入啊开销啊都是相对较小的因素？

那万一你去了布里斯班，那里房价也上去了，或者奥克兰房价下跌了，你会后悔吗

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liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 20:53
Good question, my answer is: I would always avoid to the place most speculators surge in.

Yes, in ...

投资者或者投机者，也是生意人，他们会找合适的有回报的地方投资，或者说，好地方。

你愿意把这些好地方让给他们？

之前看到老外的讨论，说你们奥克兰的房价太可笑啦，不如像我这样，work from home.，在北岛中部的小镇，多舒服啊

你其实也可以啊

奥克兰，是所有所谓的国际化城市里面最小的一个，但也是新西兰所有小城市里最大的一个。你要追求大城市的发展肯定去一线城市啦

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-16 22:11:18

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 18:02
I'm more interested in PS4/Xbox one, I look forward to a Shanzhaied "Chinese style" game console.

Sorry, I have no interested in game.

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本帖最后由 love_3_month 于 2016-6-16 21:20 编辑

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 21:12
I never say I like big cities. Auckland is actually a small city boasting the price of big cities.
...

la其实相同的房子比奥克兰贵，平均便宜是因为小房子多。

你在你的专业可能挺专业，但对你不了解的领域，比如房产，可能需要多了解一点，比如你对所谓的speculation这么讨厌，也需要先确定他是个什么东西。。。

作者: love_3_month 时间: 2016-6-16 22:32:30

我的意思是，你讨厌的，到底是房价高，还是炒房的人太多？

你说的是后者，但似乎你提到了mortgage slave 所以你还是挺在意房价高的对吧

另外，炒房的人，他们确实多吗，是媒体告诉你的吧，40%的房子被投资者买走

只要非自住，就是投资者，包括买了出租几十年不卖的，或者买一两套退休用的，或者是炒作的，你能确定里面谁是大头？

所以，你直接说房价高，不就得了。

反过来，如果你年薪30万，五年前买了两套房子，都是50万全贷款，现在都是100万，你还会因为这个原因讨厌房价高吗（工作因素暂时不考虑）

然后，你如果去布里斯班，房价50万，工资也是30万，工作几年之后，需要离开了，房价还是50万，而悉尼墨尔本奥克兰一样的房子都翻翻了，你还会很高兴？

我觉得你对工作的期望一点没错，但是个人的财务规划就比较欠缺了。。。

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liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 21:41
Because you haven't realized what I like:

I like the place most people do not earn on house but c ...

那有人白天做creative work晚上周末做投资房产股票呢

你怎么知道别人在干嘛。。。。

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liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 21:50
I don't need to know what they are doing but the fact is I'm happier while they are suffering ~~

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如果你的id是你的出生年份，比我这个大叔还小了几岁，请问骚年你结婚了吗有女票吗。。。

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作者: love_3_month 时间: 2016-6-16 23:01:14

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 21:55
"而悉尼墨尔本奥克兰一样的房子都翻翻了，你还会很高兴？"

Reply you here: as a rule, I would leave t ...

我一俗人啊，就关心财务之类的

不关心的话，让老板别付工资算了

房价翻翻就离开，好吧。。。10年之后你就没地方呆了，地球太危险。。。

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liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 22:10
You already pointed out the fact, you worry about so much ~ and eventually still suffering, fearful ...

得，工科男还扯起鸡汤了。我输了。。。

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liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 22:10
You already pointed out the fact, you worry about so much ~ and eventually still suffering, fearful ...

呵呵，死水一潭的上班族还有人在这里打嘴仗，有意思。楼主别的我不做评论了，你对工资的这个说法非常幼稚，你别以为就中国人会要工资，其实中国人算是最老实的，洋人要工资都是漫天要价。在职场上工资没有客气这一说你可以看看老外的关于职场的书（看你这么不信中国人的东西）所有的建议都是在基于市场价的基础上ask for as much as possible

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-17 09:29:52

MSSA 发表于 2016-6-17 07:39
呵呵，死水一潭的上班族还有人在这里打嘴仗，有意思。楼主别的我不做评论了，你对工资的这个说法非常幼稚 ...

My boss gave me a raise last week. :-) I did not expected the raise as he said to me last year that I was at salary level as general manager.

作者: MSSA 时间: 2016-6-17 11:06:59

liuruihua 发表于 2016-6-17 08:29
My boss gave me a raise last week. :-) I did not expected the raise as he said to me last year tha ...

你怎么不想如果你要的话他会给你更多呢？
你怎么不想他也许是bullshit你呢？
或者你怎么不想他与许心里本来指望你要1万，结果你自己不要他给你2000你就欢天喜地了呢？

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-17 11:13:28

MSSA 发表于 2016-6-17 10:06
你怎么不想如果你要的话他会给你更多呢？
你怎么不想他也许是bullshit你呢？
或者你怎么不想他与许心里本 ...

Thank you for your suggestion.

I am very happy about that. :-)

作者: 117wik 时间: 2016-6-18 09:27:32

liuruihua 发表于 2016-6-17 08:29
My boss gave me a raise last week. :-) I did not expected the raise as he said to me last year tha ...

Wow, SkyTV was offering $150k for a head of role. If you are on pay equivalent to GM level you must be on way more than that. That's amazing and incredible.

作者: Lease 时间: 2016-6-18 12:37:35

Just a bit curiosity. If LZ prefers English communication, why you come to a Chinese forum?

作者: technerd 时间: 2016-6-18 17:54:42

Lease 发表于 2016-6-18 11:37
Just a bit curiosity. If LZ prefers English communication, why you come to a Chinese forum?

就是刷存在感嘛

可能在这边出生的华裔可能有英文打字的需求，其他的就是娱乐一下刷点存在感

作者: love_3_month 时间: 2016-6-18 18:46:13

117wik 发表于 2016-6-18 08:27
Wow, SkyTV was offering $150k for a head of role. If you are on pay equivalent to GM level you mus ...

你直接report给cio吗，很好奇，你觉得你以后能做到他的位子吗，还是因为玻璃天花板的缘故几乎没有可能？

另外，以你的收入不买房，除了那个生意和捐款，都花掉了？换个角度，很享受生活啊

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-19 10:32:16

本帖最后由 liuruihua 于 2016-6-19 09:46 编辑

117wik 发表于 2016-6-18 08:27
Wow, SkyTV was offering $150k for a head of role. If you are on pay equivalent to GM level you mus ...

No, the company I work for is very small. I don't have such salary figure. My salary figure is far lower compare to $150k. My boss was saying that as he compare to my salary to the general manager of the company I work for. I only have experience as team leader. I am not sure what is the difference between head of role and team leader. My current title is just system engineer. I don't have the word senior inside job title.
But as a business owner for the company as my boss, he can claim lots of expense as company which I cannot. i.e. I bought two used ups from trademe at $220 and around $8,000 computers and network switches which I can only paid from my after tax income. If I was a company share holder, I will just buy a new one and put as business expense. :-) I am using all these equitments and hope to make money, thus not a big deal for me anyway.

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-19 10:38:15

本帖最后由 liuruihua 于 2016-6-19 09:47 编辑

love_3_month 发表于 2016-6-18 17:46
你直接report给cio吗，很好奇，你觉得你以后能做到他的位子吗，还是因为玻璃天花板的缘故几乎没有可能？
...

I guess even for the salary figure 150k, the tax is 33% above 70k which is quite heavy if as a permanent employee.

Here is the tax result from ird related to single person 150k. The income after tax is around 110k
https://brc2.ird.govt.nz/web-det ... /summary?user=guest

Tax calculation for individual - 1 April 2015 to 31 March 2016
Tax Calculation Results:
Income Tax Rate       Income       Tax
Income up to $14000, taxed at 10.5%       $14,000.00       $1,470.00
Income over $14000 and up to $48000, taxed at 17.5%       $34,000.00       $5,950.00
Income over $48000 and up to $70000, taxed at 30%       $22,000.00       $6,600.00
Remaining income over $70000, taxed at 33%       $80,000.00       $26,400.00
Total       $150,000.00       $40,420.00

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-19 10:41:23

technerd 发表于 2016-6-18 16:54
就是刷存在感嘛

可能在这边出生的华裔可能有英文打字的需求，其他的就是娱乐一下刷点存在感 ...

It is very convenient and faster to type in English and I do not have religious argument that I must type in English. I am just lazy. But if someone force me to type in Chinese, I will type in English instead for obvious reasons. :-)

作者: technerd 时间: 2016-6-19 11:01:12

liuruihua 发表于 2016-6-17 08:29
My boss gave me a raise last week. :-) I did not expected the raise as he said to me last year tha ...

好消息，恭喜你涨工资了liuruihua！

作者: technerd 时间: 2016-6-19 11:02:55

liuruihua 发表于 2016-6-19 09:32
No, the company I work for is very small. I don't have such salary figure. My salary figure is far ...

好像澳洲喜欢把一些dev的role叫 system engineer，而工作内容并不是network/IT

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-19 11:30:17

technerd 发表于 2016-6-19 10:01
好消息，恭喜你涨工资了liuruihua！

Thanks

It was a surprise for me and my family are very happy :-)

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-19 11:30:54

technerd 发表于 2016-6-19 10:02
好像澳洲喜欢把一些dev的role叫 system engineer，而工作内容并不是network/IT

Yes, it is a Australian company I work for.

作者: 117wik 时间: 2016-6-19 11:36:00

love_3_month 发表于 2016-6-18 17:46
你直接report给cio吗，很好奇，你觉得你以后能做到他的位子吗，还是因为玻璃天花板的缘故几乎没有可能？
...

I report to a GM today. All my peers are Head of except me. I should have never reported directly to a GM, but company see my team as a core focus growth area and hence put me at that layer (to show the importance of my team).

I can't see myself getting to the next level, for two reasons:
- i am not interested, my current level is already political enough, the higher you go the more shit you have to deal with. I am not even sure how much longer i want to be at my current level.
- there's a ceiling that i have reached and the next level isn't something they will ever consider a 1st generation Chinese (a different GM is trying to tell me otherwise and tell me i can go very far within the company, which i don't agree).

Yes we do live like a king at home (and hence even with my current income we hardly save any), to give you an example, i have 3 kids, i can spent $10 on a mango, just for one daughter, and i can spend $7 on one strawberry for my son (before it's in season), and they have 2-3 servings of fruits everyday, and we can do that for months. We dine out a lot, spend $80-100 per meal for either standard lunch or dinner over weekend, every single weekend.

I have a very different perspective in life, to me, giving my family and kids the best of everything is how i live. :)

作者: 117wik 时间: 2016-6-19 11:39:10

liuruihua 发表于 2016-6-19 09:32
No, the company I work for is very small. I don't have such salary figure. My salary figure is far ...

oh i didn't realize you are on the sys admin side (thought you were a developer). Spending $8k for home equipment? geesh what are you doing? trying to build your personal cloud? You should try to do everything leveraging AWS etc so you can grow as per your need (may be not appropriate for whatever you are trying to do).

You should consider switching to else where, there are a lot of money in architecture/design if you know the right people.

作者: 117wik 时间: 2016-6-19 11:39:10

liuruihua 发表于 2016-6-19 09:32
No, the company I work for is very small. I don't have such salary figure. My salary figure is far ...

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-19 12:32:52

本帖最后由 liuruihua 于 2016-6-19 16:03 编辑

117wik 发表于 2016-6-19 10:39
oh i didn't realize you are on the sys admin side (thought you were a developer). Spending $8k for ...

Thanks for your suggestion

I don't care about sys admin role though I maintain at work microsoft iis production/test 2012 servers for the website I wrote. And I maintain centos, ubuntu, fedora server at home, without me, who else can do it without costing money? :-)

My main interest is on the website serving billions of people. But in reality, the website I work on which my boss told me covers 80% market share in one particular area in Australia/NZ, only have at most 50 requests per second. I guess most Australia big company will be at similar level. I wrote a website covers nearly 100% nz market share and the website performance was just 2 request per second and the customer apl, nalco, fletcher was very happy. That was around 6 years ago for the company I worked for before I left.

Here is the list for 8k covers
a diy assemble i7 4770k cpu with 32gb ram and lots of samsung pro/evo ssd drives 512gb, 256gb,
apple mac pro desktop 32gb ram 2tb drive and a ssd 500gb
ibm x3650 m3 2 core xeon l5630 cpu 24 virtual cpu with 48gb ram server
ibm x3650 m2 2 core xeon l5620 cpu 16 virtual cpu with 48gb ram server
supermicro 2 core xeon e5620 cpu 16 virtual cpu with 40gb ram server
dell 2700w ups http://pdfstream.manualsonline.c ... 71-bd900e1495b2.pdf
apc smart ups 2000va http://www.apc.com/shop/au/en/pr ... 230V/P-SMT2200RMI2U
two dell 30 inch lcd
cisco 3650g 24 port giga port layer 3 switch
dell 24port web managed 24 port giga port switch
dell 8 port giga port switch
dell 16 port 100m port switch

I need to test my web server performance. Here is the result I just test which is not the peak level. It is just 90000 requests per second. The file size is just 2 bytes which will push web server performance to max.

test@supermicro:/home/test $ ab -n 10000000 -c 10000 -s 120 -k http://10.0.0.1/1.html
This is ApacheBench, Version 2.3 <$Revision: 1430300 $>
Copyright 1996 Adam Twiss, Zeus Technology Ltd, http://www.zeustech.net/
Licensed to The Apache Software Foundation, http://www.apache.org/

Benchmarking 10.0.0.1 (be patient)
Completed 1000000 requests
Completed 2000000 requests
Completed 3000000 requests
Completed 4000000 requests
Completed 5000000 requests
Completed 6000000 requests
Completed 7000000 requests
Completed 8000000 requests
Completed 9000000 requests
Completed 10000000 requests
Finished 10000000 requests

Server Software:       Webserver
Server Hostname:       10.0.0.1
Server Port:          80

Document Path:       /1.html
Document Length:       2 bytes

Concurrency Level:    10000
Time taken for tests: 110.801 seconds
Complete requests:    10000000
Failed requests:       0
Write errors:          0
Keep-Alive requests: 10000000
Total transferred:    1460000000 bytes
HTML transferred:    20000000 bytes
Requests per second: 90252.19 [#/sec] (mean)
Time per request:    110.801 [ms] (mean)
Time per request:    0.011 [ms] (mean, across all concurrent requests)
Transfer rate:       12867.99 [Kbytes/sec] received

Connection Times (ms)
            min  mean[+/-sd] median max
Connect:       0 0  11.5    0    514
Processing: 16  109 133.2    46 8949
Waiting:       0  109 133.2    46 8949
Total:       16  110 133.9    46 8949

Percentage of the requests served within a certain time (ms)
  50%    46
  66%    51
  75% 165
  80% 186
  90% 266
  95% 370
  98% 425
  99% 713
100% 8949 (longest request)

作者: love_3_month 时间: 2016-6-19 16:59:42

117wik 发表于 2016-6-19 10:36
I report to a GM today. All my peers are Head of except me. I should have never reported directly ...

luxury啊很不错啊

消费习惯确实很大不同，虽然贵的东西有贵的道理，但我习惯了比较性价比。。。

作者: MSSA 时间: 2016-6-19 18:45:05

liuruihua 发表于 2016-6-19 11:32
Thanks for your suggestion

I don't care about sys admin role though I maintain at work microsoft i ...

这年头花这么大成本搞自己一套in house的infrastructure的确实不多，佩服你的执着。我也想有这么一套玩意玩玩，不过我也就是有一个micro server下个电影的什么的没那个闲钱搞这么牛X的东西。

不过该考虑考虑aws,现阶段cloud,aws大势所趋，你在有钱，也买不来那些computational optimized的CPU和海量的instance,ssd,还有infrastructure support。当然如果就是自己感兴趣想玩弄这些东西那另说。

作者: technerd 时间: 2016-6-19 21:50:38

liuruihua 发表于 2016-6-19 11:32
Thanks for your suggestion

I don't care about sys admin role though I maintain at work microsoft i ...

你很会淘啊。这一堆机器才8k...

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-19 21:52:44

technerd 发表于 2016-6-19 20:50
你很会淘啊。这一堆机器才8k...

Thanks for your praise :-)

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-19 22:01:33

MSSA 发表于 2016-6-19 17:45
这年头花这么大成本搞自己一套in house的infrastructure的确实不多，佩服你的执着。我也想有这么一套玩意 ...

I am using amazon aws free instance and I am very happy about the service :-) It is free :-)

But to get 16 virtual cpu is very expensive for my work. The plan is m4.4xlarge and 3 Yr All Upfront Reserved is us$9387.

That is the cheapest way to amazon aws. There is no way for me to pay such price. I am just researching and hope to make money.

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-20 11:05:37

FYI, Australia is ruled by lawyer.
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums ... &topicid=197950

It is really bad for you to find happiness in Australia :-) I think that you better stay here :-)

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-22 09:39:34

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-13 16:23
that's true, even if the salary is the same, Brisbane/Perth/Adelaide are cheaper. The ideal place f ...

http://www.wenxuecity.com/news/2016/06/21/5312778.html

I think that people will not get a house on salary usd120k in 硅谷湾区 easily :-)

作者: alxu106 时间: 2016-6-23 00:21:56

妈呀，跑题了各位仁兄。

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-24 22:27:06

I think that I can get aud 150k+ in Sydney per year as senior software developer :-)

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