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作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-11 22:45:29 标题: Most IT workers nowadays in China earn Y300,000 ?

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作者: keepower 时间: 2016-6-11 23:01:06

看具体做什么吧，现在一二线城市做PM或者ITBD工资一年30万很普遍。NZ的话看你怎么说，300k NZD一年的那是要CIO的干活，如果300K RMB的话，junior BA就这个价钱了...

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-12 08:59:05

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作者: 117wik 时间: 2016-6-12 15:57:05

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-12 08:59
I meant ordinary programmers/software engineers, definitely not PM or what ITBD (sorry never heard ...

not sure how many years IT experience you have on your back, if you are a software developer, and if your current pay in NZ is less than NZD$75k per annum, good news is, it's not hard at all for you to eventually get to 6 figures in NZ (there's currently a hugh demand for developers).

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-12 19:53:51

117wik 发表于 2016-6-12 15:57
not sure how many years IT experience you have on your back, if you are a software developer, and ...

I looked at trademe using search c# and set nzd125,000 or more
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/ ... rSearch_suggested=0

There is only 9 jobs and most are contracts in auckland.

I watched it for about four years and it is always the same. I do not see any demand for senior software engineer. I guess if the employer has demand, the employer will offer higher salary.

作者: technerd 时间: 2016-6-12 20:15:47

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-12 08:59
I meant ordinary programmers/software engineers, definitely not PM or what ITBD (sorry never heard ...

也许有些有泡沫，很难说。

但背景是中国互联网行业的火热，互联网公司的崛起和在中国庞大市场的发展。几个已成帝国的大公司比如BAT，或是拿到投资的小公司，都可能给出很高的薪水。在国内薪水高的dev，过来nz之后拿的，是有可能比国内低。

你说的第一个例子，三年前就开始接触Android开发，三年过去了当年的新手可能已经成长为小骨干，并且有几年工作经验的手机应用开发很吃香，所以可能拿得比较高。

另外一个在PwC里头做IT，咨询嘛，也许主要靠忽悠，不需要特别深厚的技术实力，而四大本身工资水平就比较高的。

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-12 20:19:34

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作者: 117wik 时间: 2016-6-13 07:54:20

liuruihua 发表于 2016-6-12 19:53
I looked at trademe using search c# and set nzd125,000 or more
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Cat ...

i am not saying it's not hard, and btw it's not a field i am qualified to comment in (i work in more network/system side of thing). With my limited understanding, there's currently a huge shortage for developers (and not enough supply), and hence in theory demand should drive up salary.

I am a lot older than most of you here and have about 18 years IT experience on my back, and i can tell you that, as long as you have got it (people and technical skill), you can make it no matter where you are (China or here). Focus on upskilling yourself in the most demand area, and also start establishing connections with colleague/people you deal with. It's up to you to justify you are worth whatever dollar you are aiming for.

Just FYI, i am now managing a 20 person team and current pay is the same as what most companies would pay a "head of" level.

作者: 117wik 时间: 2016-6-13 07:56:12

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-12 20:19
Still you believe it's "not hard" to get 6 digits in NZ for an ordinary software programmer, serio ...

i still don't think it's hard, i strongly recommend you to join the IT wechat group and hang around with people that have already made it and ask them how.

Other than believing it's doable i cna't offer you too much more (i.e. how) unfortunately since i am not qualify to talk bout it.

The Wechat group that we are on have about 250+ of us in it, and many are subject matter expect in our own field (that's doing reasonably OK too).

作者: 117wik 时间: 2016-6-13 07:58:36

liuruihua 发表于 2016-6-12 19:53
I looked at trademe using search c# and set nzd125,000 or more
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Cat ...

BTW, similar search criteria (C#, Auckland only, >$100k, full time) came back with 62 jobs.

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-13 09:10:32

117wik 发表于 2016-6-13 07:54
i am not saying it's not hard, and btw it's not a field i am qualified to comment in (i work in mo ...

I started work in 1994 and I have around 21 years programming experience. The only break I got is looking for job in nz for around 6 months.

Unless you are shareholder of the company, I doubt the level you have will be secure. Everything will disappear if got redundant. There are so many experts in the world. There is always someone better and have more skills in the world to get that job. To the level of manager, I doubt the technical skill will make much difference and it is the relationship matters. I have so many bosses in the 21 years programming experience and some have no idea about the programming and some have little knowledge about the field to do business. Just because they work there longer and some got opportunity to be promoted to be the boss.

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-13 09:17:09

117wik 发表于 2016-6-13 07:58
BTW, similar search criteria (C#, Auckland only, >$100k, full time) came back with 62 jobs.

I agree 100k can lead some permanent job position, but it is the top level for senior programmers. I am not interested in 100k as I am already at that level. I am interested in 150k to 200k or more permanent job position, but there is none in Auckland. I do find some job which I can apply and get that sorts of salary level, but they are in Australia. I live in Auckland and I cannot move the whole family to Australia as we live here for a long time.

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-13 13:40:56

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作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-13 15:29:19

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-13 13:56
I too doubt that more experience always lead to a higher pay.

And it largely depends on what type ...

I think it is very hard to earn more salary based on knowledge/skill/hard working. Based on past 16 years auckland experience, just trade some houses will do the trick. :-)

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-13 15:53:52

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作者: setexixi 时间: 2016-6-13 19:01:22

楼主干嘛全是英文

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-13 19:08:53

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作者: setexixi 时间: 2016-6-13 19:13:26

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-13 19:08
As if a Shanghaiese guy asks, why don't you speak Shanghaiese?

Well, I can express whatever I want ...

没说不能说但是有些很明显的语法错误。。。这让人看了有点抓狂换位看的话你应该懂我的意思额－，－

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-13 19:21:31

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作者: setexixi 时间: 2016-6-13 19:40:23

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-13 19:21
I equally make mistakes when using Mandarin.
The problem is in you not me, as I have no problem wh ...

你觉得native会来跟你说你有语法用错咩不会的吖。。反正你觉得好就好咯。。至少我觉得你在po之前查一遍自己写的最基本的不是说 I made mistakes on and off 就让它去。。

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-13 19:44:16

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作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-14 07:02:55

I recall it took me around 13 years working in nz(the total working year was 16 years) to get nz$75,000 per year as salary

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-14 07:49:38

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作者: technerd 时间: 2016-6-14 12:30:34

liuruihua 发表于 2016-6-14 07:02
I recall it took me around 13 years working in nz(the total working year was 16 years) to get nz$75, ...

这个帖子很有价值。

3个在nz有多年工作经验的ICT行业的人，其中2个Dev，一个Support/Ops.
Support/Ops 比Dev的薪水高出不少，已经达到 "head of" level。

IT类的毕业生或是刚来NZ的一看这个帖子，就知道职业上该怎么选了

作者: technerd 时间: 2016-6-14 12:38:51

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-12 20:26
Yeah I agree. Let's see if such a prosperity still exist in China's IT field 5 years later.

I bet ...

虽然中国技术人员薪水比NZ高，但我倒希望中国这个趋势能持续下去。其实是个进步，愿意给技术人员支付高薪水，这样搞技术的可以一直搞技术不需要人人都往管理发展。

而 NZ，我希望它快点跟进

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-14 14:01:58

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-14 07:49
Sounds like I'm relatively lucky. (achieved it with 1 year NZ experience + 7 years China experienc ...

Congratulations

What is your currently salary if you don't mind me asking. I guess there is no harm to reply a true answer. :-)

I paid off my mortgage in 8 years. And my house is worth 1 million dollars.

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-14 14:03:04

technerd 发表于 2016-6-14 12:30
这个帖子很有价值。

3个在nz有多年工作经验的ICT行业的人，其中2个Dev，一个Support/Ops.

I am glad hearing what you said. :-)

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-14 16:48:44

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作者: anzac_corp 时间: 2016-6-14 20:02:23

前两天还有个朋友跟我抱怨，在上海15k月薪找不到5年经验的靠谱java程序员。当然这个15k包括五险一金，实际上税前工资不过1万出头，在上海确实不算太诱人。30万的年薪，其实也不过能找一个还能干点活的7、8年经验的程序员罢了。要论实际的产出，我相信花7万纽币的年薪在奥克兰也能雇到差不多的程序员吧。

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-14 20:48:28

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作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-14 21:17:42

anzac_corp 发表于 2016-6-14 20:02
前两天还有个朋友跟我抱怨，在上海15k月薪找不到5年经验的靠谱java程序员。当然这个15k包括五险一金，实际 ...

5年经验的靠谱java程序员应该算有经验的程序员啦，毕竟java的j2ee, ejb之类也算企业级的啦

java可以跨平台运算，也非同小可啦

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-14 21:19:07

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-14 16:48
Just a little more, I'm doing embedded system/firmware, you know the pay rise is limited in most f ...

你不是在其他论坛上说你去读书phd深造了吗？

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-14 22:24:14

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作者: anzac_corp 时间: 2016-6-14 22:29:55

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-14 20:48
In your words, a really competitive programmer in Shanghai deserves Y400,000~Y500,000 nowadays?

在BAT等一线互联网公司，hands-on的资深程序员，差不多是这个价位。但他们还不靠这个底薪，他们的股票和分红的收入要超过底薪至少一倍。

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-14 22:32:58

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作者: 117wik 时间: 2016-6-15 07:52:09

To everyone that's on this list, sounds like majority of you are already hitting the ceiling of your career. If you are wondering where to from here, i will suggest:

- Aim to achieve higher career wise. Yes it's 100 times harder for Asian to do so, bit it's doable. I got to where i am today initially because of my technical ability. I told myself i am not interested to climb the corporate ladder and hence have been refusing opportunity to be a manager since 7-8 years ago. I took up the challenge last year, because i realize that instead of expecting some other useless manager to deliver the outcome i expect, the only real way of achieve my vision of where i want to take the team to, is by becoming the decision maker. Sure being a manager it comes with many aspect i don't enjoy dealing with, such as people problem, company politic etc, but at the same time i am starting to see the result of some of the strategy i have implemented (a senior guy turning down a $55k pay increase from a head hunter in Australia and chose to stay because he believes in me and is very happy with the work atmosphere is a huge recognition of what i have done).

- Aim for FI/RE (https://www.reddit.com/r/financialindependence)? I am no where near achieving FI, but over the last 10 years i have spent a lot of my time reading and learning about a variety of possible options of achieving so. Today i don't own any property in NZ (a huge disadvantage for me, as i may never be able to get back into it with the current crazy bubble price), but i do own a small business with a ROI of 17% or so (not great compare to houses, but at least i am contributing to the economy). I have been working very hard to expand on that and if everything goes according to plan i am hoping to achieve the FI status in 5 years time (when i am 45Yo).

- Work out meaning of life, help out others less fortunate. I became a Christian after exploring and thinking bout the same questions after 10+ years of thinking and learning. I now have 8 ongoing charities that i support through monthly donations. I am also reasonably active in helping out new migrants/students that are trying to start new chapter of life in this beautiful country by sacrificing my personal time (i have met, provide guidance, help review CV, ran simulated interview etc etc for total strangers, for nothing). For those of us that are slightly more fortunate, let's do something and make this world a better place, right? :)

Sorry for all the typing, if either of you work in AKL CBD, wanna meet and chat over coffee sometime? :)

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-15 08:32:12

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-14 22:24
First, too old to study, secondly my wife doesn't work so I have to raise the whole family.

I jus ...

I agree if you are the only income source of the family, there are lots of restrictions.

But as you said, it is never too old to learn. :-)

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-15 09:05:19

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作者: technerd 时间: 2016-6-16 16:00:46

liuruihua 发表于 2016-6-14 14:03
I am glad hearing what you said. :-)

我是觉得心酸

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作者: love_3_month 时间: 2016-6-16 20:52:55

上海北京2-30万不是很正常的吗。。。不过很辛苦就是了

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-16 20:55:30

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作者: love_3_month 时间: 2016-6-16 20:56:09

英文太多了看的累。。。上班用英文，上网来放松，除了新闻一般看英文觉得好麻烦。。。。。用手机还有个奇怪的地方，英文换行的时候会拆成两半，哈哈。。。

lz你平时和华人朋友聊天是不是也尽量说英文的啊

我以前公司上网不能写中文也要长篇的发英文，还好现在没问题了。。。

作者: liu_yu_1980 时间: 2016-6-16 21:07:52

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作者: love_3_month 时间: 2016-6-16 21:12:53

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 21:07
All the friends around me, no matter westerners, Chinese or Japanese, communicate with me in Engli ...

不会啊关键是我的阅读速度，中文可以一目十行，不会遗漏重要信息，英文不行。。。

我家乡在江南，在上海读的大学，会说上海话和几种不同的方言，还有一点粤语。我的英文没有我的上海话好，比我的粤语强，哈哈。

怎么说呢，我的思维已经习惯了中文了，虽然在上班时候会切换成英文，但是中文更习惯一点。

我想我这辈子是不会去看原版的英文小说的了哈哈。。。

作者: love_3_month 时间: 2016-6-16 21:16:21

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 21:07
All the friends around me, no matter westerners, Chinese or Japanese, communicate with me in Engli ...

你有没有有的词或者意境无法用英文表达出来

比如，脑子里突然冒出一句古诗。。。。

我的英文只能做沟通交流，不能做深层次的讨论。很多sutle的地方掌握不了。

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作者: love_3_month 时间: 2016-6-16 21:38:54

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 21:34
I didn't say I'm so confident in English after all equally not a native speaker.

However I've got ...

说实话，你可以去英文论坛上，更多人会有不同的想法和你讨论

我不是说这个论坛不好，但相对来说，这里更多的人是保留了很多chinese community的习惯和思维。所以有人会问你，说英文不累啊，哈哈

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作者: love_3_month 时间: 2016-6-16 21:58:36

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 21:48
Exactly like the case when Shangaiese people urges: nong be ngo kong zanhe whewo hova, vezurme fio ...

看不懂，我估计是说的，上海人比较排斥说普通话的人吧？

那是低素质的年轻人吧，我没遇到过

作者: love_3_month 时间: 2016-6-16 22:05:41

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 21:48
Exactly like the case when Shangaiese people urges: nong be ngo kong zanhe whewo hova, vezurme fio ...

我觉得这里的人比你说的那种上海人好多了

如果我看到有人一直打英文，我会假设他可能没有中文输入，或者在这里长大会读不会写，或者是不愿意，反正是个人选择啦。

很多人也会这样想吧，口出恶言的毕竟是少数

但虽然这么想，没有褒贬，看到英文直接跳过去的，应该也不在少数。个人选择，你可以选择在中文论坛上发表英文，别人当然可以选择不看。

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作者: love_3_month 时间: 2016-6-16 22:32:35

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 22:19
Just like you say, why do you use English here, we are all Mandarin speakers.

Please replace "Eng ...

我想你是误入歧途了

上海的那种歧视，是对不会说上海话的外地人的歧视

如果大家都是上海人，都会说上海话。然后大家说普通话，甚至英文，那就呵呵了

而这个论坛，大部分是能说能看中文的，所以中文是第一语言。而有一部分人，英文不流利，所以会排斥看英文

如果大家互相沟通，找一个大家都明白而且不费力的语言很正常。所以我不觉得你这么做有错，也不觉得那些不愿意看你英文发言的人有错。总有几个人表示你应该在华人论坛上说中文，但我认为这是极少数人的看法，和你说的上海那种观点不是一个级别的。

至于普通话，还是古汉语，还是广州白话，苏州官话，这个是历史的更替，即使当时不合理，混杂了或者说就是北方少数民族的语言，但这么多年推广作为官方语言，已经是成了历史的必然。这个话题除了专业人士去做考古研究，在普通人根本没有必要纠结。。。就好像你怎么不说莎士比亚的文字，用文言好了。

作者: love_3_month 时间: 2016-6-16 22:36:49

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 22:21
Interestingly whoever forced you to read my posts? It's you who force me to use Mandarin!

喂，你的中文是不是太差了啊，我好好的和你说话，居然说我在强迫你。。。我有强迫你必须说中文吗。

我只是说，你这么做，在一些人看来会觉得不好沟通，从而忽略你的发言。（哈哈，你会说，我不在乎。。。）

不过，你似乎确实不好沟通。。。哈哈哈。。。

作者: love_3_month 时间: 2016-6-16 22:41:29

所以啊，我在和你聊在华人论坛写英文的局限性，你就觉得我在逼迫你写中文

难怪看到房子涨会觉得是speculator在搞了

捉急啊

作者: 陌生的香港人 时间: 2016-6-16 22:46:56

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love_3_month 发表于 2016-6-16 21:12
不会啊关键是我的阅读速度，中文可以一目十行，不会遗漏重要信息，英文不行。。。

我家乡在江南，在上海 ...

老實說這個樓主通篇用英文不是問題問題是他的英文看起來實在有點怪和讓人感到吃力（ok 我英文沒樓主好行吧呵呵）很多自以為英文好的人其實就都這個樣子不過既然是搞IT的畢竟不需要像文科/社會科學/甚至是商科那邊那樣要日寫夜寫文字功底看來也不用怎樣相信樓主說是很溜的但寫和說可是兩回事啊實在不想拆穿但只能實話實說了

不過看到樓主兩篇帖的語調都大概了解他是什麼類型的人我就不再多言了呵呵路過 ....

作者: 117wik 时间: 2016-6-17 07:57:19

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-16 18:53
Excellent, doing creative business rather than property speculation (a legal way to deprive others ...

it's nothing creative about my small business at all, it's just a traditional business we bought off street (via broker). Good thing about that is we actually hire 6 staffs or so and in a small way put dinner to some families table. :)

Do let me know if you have specific Q about it.

作者: liuruihua 时间: 2016-6-17 08:05:11

117wik 发表于 2016-6-17 07:57
it's nothing creative about my small business at all, it's just a traditional business we bought o ...

May I ask what type of the business and how much you paid for if the information is not confidential? :-)

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liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-17 08:41
I never claim my English is better than you (sorry unlike you guys, using English may be a way to ...

我好像不是這個意思啊說到show off 到底誰在show off 呢？呵呵不過怎樣都好相信大家都看到樓主的風格沒什麼好說啦不過為了實現理想樓主應該趕緊到美國加拿大網站找工作才是而不是整天在Skykiwi 和一大幫Chinese 混啊至於我的career 你就不要猜了反正就不是IT啦（對IT從來無興趣）

作者: love_3_month 时间: 2016-6-17 20:11:25

liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-6-17 08:29
You regard Mandarin more elegant than Shanghaiese, due to your faith.

You are discriminating all ...

我只说在特定场合是否方便是否更effective，没有谁高谁低的问题。你可能是被歧视被批评的多了，反而变本加厉的有迫害妄想症？反正我不迫害人的。。。。

几个上海人，当然上海话最好

几个大陆东南西北不同省份的，当然普通话最好

几个华人和几个洋人，当然英文最好

不过估计你理解不能。。。。

作者: anzac_corp 时间: 2016-6-17 20:58:52

love_3_month 发表于 2016-6-17 20:11
我只说在特定场合是否方便是否更effective，没有谁高谁低的问题。你可能是被歧视被批评的多了，反而变本 ...

撸主的原题是对国内程序员能挣30万表示强烈不满。你们都歪楼了，呵呵

作者: MSSA 时间: 2016-6-17 21:19:04

有什么奇怪的，这边的码农哪个基本都是比这个数高。

作者: snakech 时间: 2016-6-28 15:53:59

nz稍微一般点的mid level的码农换算成人民币也多于30w一年了吧...mid level一般2年以上都能够到了吧

再说你愿意在国内干996（早9晚9一周6天）拿30w一年换到NZ都相当于干两份工了，所以不知道有什么好比的

最后我还想说一句，除了标题，我跳过了楼主的所有的楼...

作者: cnpony 时间: 2016-6-28 16:03:19

有意思的话题，国内其实高低都有的。题主说到的ctrip和PwC，一个是互联网公司，一个是咨询公司，都是薪水比较高的。而且位置在北京和上海。当然国内一线的互联网公司，收入会比这个更高。但也有无数二三四线城市码农的收入，比这个低很多很多。

去年在北京招过android开发，2年的工作经验，税前月薪是28k。但同样年资的的.net，只开到16k。两个都是普通学校+快速培训班的。国内移动开发比较发疯，所以ios和android都不好找。

新西兰毕竟是个以农业和旅游业为主的国家，人口少市场小，似乎不太好和那些大型互联网公司比较。

作者: samsung2006 时间: 2016-6-29 11:43:07

LZ, by converting annual salaries into actual hourly rate before you do the comparison, you will feel much better.

作者: Benforloop 时间: 2016-7-1 11:22:24

看的很激烈

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liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-7-4 13:59
Right, Y300,000 is not too much for people in NZ, but should you ignore the local purchasing power ...

yes, considering purchasing power in NZ if you have $60K+, you can afford something(eg: house), but nothing in SH, BJ and so on(exceptional: tibet, XinJiang..)

作者: technerd 时间: 2016-7-6 12:42:00

"$60K+, you can afford something(eg: house)" 这个你是在说反话吧

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technerd 发表于 2016-7-6 12:42
"$60K+, you can afford something(eg: house)" 这个你是在说反话吧

I agree what you said.

$60k cannot buy a house in auckland as family total income before tax.

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liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-7-7 12:25
Whether or not a guy can afford a house in Auckland is not determined by the income from his job, ...

That is not true.

Let's say someone earns 200k per year, I am sure he can afford a house at nzd 1.5million. There is plenty of house less than 1.5 million nzd in Auckland.

https://tools.anz.co.nz/home-loans/borrowing-calculator/

http://www.trademe.co.nz/browse/ ... &217=0&217=0&v=List
All you need to do is to become a manager or real estate agent or doctor or lawyer and earn that kind of salary figure :-)

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liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-7-7 16:24
Earning $200K, are they ordinary people in NZ? Isn't this the same thing in China? Then you may say ...

I am just replying your statement "Whether or not a guy can afford a house in Auckland is not determined by the income from his job, which has been increasingly clear..."

Nothing else.

作者: ....oΟ药葫芦 时间: 2016-7-8 13:59:02

我實在是看不出來LZ想表達什麼了。。。

30W一年的工資和IT bubble有啥關係。。。就算有BUBBLE又能咋樣呢。。到頭來來源於市場還是要回歸市場的

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liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-7-9 08:38
Such high-paid jobs would vanish once the bubble bursts.

然后呢？消失就消失呗

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liu_yu_1980 发表于 2016-7-12 16:44
Then nobody in NZ would envy those in China.

好吧可是我觉得本来就没有多少人羡慕那些人

作者: anzac_corp 时间: 2016-7-13 13:30:15

....oΟ药葫芦发表于 2016-7-12 16:50
好吧可是我觉得本来就没有多少人羡慕那些人

呵呵，LZ是说他自己，你没看出来？

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anzac_corp 发表于 2016-7-13 13:30
呵呵，LZ是说他自己，你没看出来？

好吧。。。一下就代表了一片人呢

作者: AdrianLiu729 时间: 2016-8-14 21:00:05

国内30 万相当于这里多少？

作者: allench 时间: 2016-8-14 21:54:00

IT workers in China又被几个人给代表了。

就算是30万能怎么样，劳动强度能一样么。。。

做好自己是关键，比来比去没有意思，反正我喜欢新西兰，现在工资虽然不是很高，不过过得开心。人家在澳洲在中国还是在美国赚多少跟我无关。

作者: variable 时间: 2016-8-15 06:31:43

在新西蘭有很多啊三，面試時什麼都說會做，拿著高人工卻什麼都不會做。有時候你覺得很一般的人，平時還時常問你問題的人，卻總是可以進入其他出名的公司，有tech skill還不如有bullshit skill來得值錢。

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