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作者: 117wik 时间: 2016-3-10 18:17:07 标题: 给毕业生找工作的一些建议

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/d ... ulse_spock-articles

Dear applicants, this is why you are not shortlisted

Three days ago I put out an ad looking for "Security engineer – Graduate/Junior x 2". The response has been overwhelming. In less than 3 days, I have received close to 150 applications.

Out of the 150 applications so far:

4 candidates have been added to the short list (that I will invite to come in for a face to face interview)
24 candidates have been added to the long list (which basically means someone from my team will give the candidate a quick 5 minute call, and decide whether to put them forward to the short list or not).

While sitting here going through the sheer volume of applications, and rejecting the majority of them, I started to wonder, it would actually be quite nice to provide some general feedback, in terms of how a hiring manager like myself typically does the initial assessment, as well as some of the “do’s” and “don’ts” in their CV (which will hopefully help candidates increase their chance of getting shortlisted for a role in the future).

When I assess an application, the following typically result in a straight rejection:

Applicant is not entitled to work in NZ (e.g. currently on student visa, currently overseas).
Applicant’s stated salary expectation well exceed what’s right for the role (yup I will pay you $80k for a graduate role – NOT!!!).
Applicant has a criminal offence of some sort (it’s glad to see that some applicants are up front about past offences, however due to the nature of our job and type of customers we support, we typically will only consider candidates that have a clean record).
Applicant that’s overqualified. We are typically reluctant to put a candidate into role that he/she is overqualified for, as we know he/she will get bored very quickly, and there’s a higher chance that they will jump ship to the next opportunity that pays more within a short time frame.
Applicant that doesn’t put any effort into his/her CV. You will be surprised at the number of applicants that send me a one pager CV, that tells me nothing about the candidate, other than some really basic information.
Applicants that just re-use the same CV for every single application. It doesn’t look good when the stated career goal in your CV says you want to be a successful software developer, when applying for a Security engineer role.
Applicant that doesn’t put any effort into selling him/herself. We are looking for someone that is passionate about network security, just spamming your CV everywhere, and showing no evidence on your CV that you have done anything in this space isn’t going to get you very far.

Taking into account that, in average, I spend only about 2 minutes assessing a candidate, if you are serious about getting into network security, and are pursuing your first role, ideally:

You would have done a degree that’s semi relevant (or have done some network security related papers).
Your CV touches on some of the security tools or concepts that you are familiar with.
You have some security related certifications under your belt (or are studying towards it)

Something to note is that, you are competing against a large number of applicants, if your CV doesn’t stand out (within the 2 minutes I spend time on it), you are unlikely to catch my attention and get added to either my short or long list.

I do also want to offer some word of encouragement that, if you are passionate about this field, I suggest that you:

Walk the talk. Don’t just verbally tell me you are into security, actually get your hands dirty. Good thing about the internet and google is that, even without working full time in security, there are a lot of things about security you can actually learn or get into by just setting up a home lab (how bout taking a challenge on https://alexnisnevich.github.io/untrusted/, or setup an instance of snort IDS sensor at home?)
Connect to people already in the Security industry (such as myself), quite often it helps to talk to people that are already working in the real world, as they can guide you in many ways, which will hopefully increase your chance of landing a job.
Keep up with the latest news, keep up with what’s going on around the world. How bout spend 10 minutes each day, on https://isc.sans.edu/ as well as https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/.
Last but not least, be persistent, as long as you are willing to put in the time and effort, eventually you will get there. If you don’t make my short/long list this time round, try harder, the overall security industry is booming, and it’s just a matter of time before mine (or other) teams are looking to hire security engineers again.

I hope this gives some of you looking to land your first job some insight into a hiring security manager’s mind. Best of luck with your job hunting journey.

作者: 天堂金币 时间: 2016-3-10 19:31:48

好评！！！
nz市场感觉现在最不缺就是应届毕业生

作者: Tom.Yang 时间: 2016-3-10 19:38:03

Nice document !

作者: ry55 时间: 2016-3-10 22:21:42

本帖最后由 ry55 于 2016-3-10 23:25 编辑

写的非常好，我也受益匪浅。。
毕业生确实有好的，我同学，原来和it不沾边，但人家课程基本都是A+，我不敢说以后怎么样，但至少从学习者方面看人家努力了，该做的实验都是自己做，该学的知识都努力学了。。。连我这个工作多年的老工程师我佩服。。成绩都赶上我了。。nz的it缺人，但缺的应该不是打着it的幌子来移民的；移民没错，我也想移民，但得凭真本事，不能仅靠学历和title。。。。

作者: technerd 时间: 2016-3-10 22:23:04

很高兴看到Spark还在招人，还是招graduate，尽管我已脱离Spark

作者: gaoyun_ivy 时间: 2016-3-26 21:52:23

好评，句句真言

作者: ry55 时间: 2016-3-30 10:30:41

还在找工作的建议仔细看看，这是招聘经理总结的，比那些hr和中介说的要更靠谱，，尤其是正在找工作的，不要看到是英文的就看不下去了，，想在nz混，英语这一关是必须要过的，口语听力和读写必须有一项能过关，不然只能跳华人坑了，到时候可别抱怨工资低收费高。。。

作者: 117wik 时间: 2016-4-7 11:51:24

2nd post re same topic

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/r ... ulse_spock-articles

作者: Frank0000 时间: 2016-4-7 20:21:15

nice comment.
what would it mean to you if an average or just above level Chinese student with average English can get a standard job in here with sort of effort?
do your beeeest to achieve your job!!! and keep your credibility to the society.

作者: ch51019 时间: 2016-4-8 00:36:00

117wik 发表于 2016-4-7 12:51
2nd post re same topic

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/response-desperate-graduate-trying-land-first ...

thanks for sharing...nice post

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