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作者: honeydarling    时间: 2015-7-3 11:04:30     标题: 听几个在建筑相关行业的人说flatbush 很多私人造的新房质量很差?是真的吗?

说是很多私人开发商都买很便宜的材料 只追求便宜不追求质量,看起来能过关就行了,是这样吗?
作者: unitecnz    时间: 2015-7-3 11:06:03

哎呀,怎么又来了,这样的标题。我才102万买了一个。
作者: NewLynnHse    时间: 2015-7-3 11:07:20

这个区是出了名的,至于为什么就不知道了。你搜下以前的帖子吧
作者: lionel    时间: 2015-7-3 11:07:47

不光只是FLATBUSH吧,很多买家只看外观,厨房用具的品牌,里面的构造没法看的。
作者: 微苦蓝山    时间: 2015-7-3 11:10:30

问题绝不止是flat bush一个地方
5年内显现。、、
作者: 沧海一笑    时间: 2015-7-3 11:10:49

unitecnz 发表于 2015-7-3 10:06
哎呀,怎么又来了,这样的标题。我才102万买了一个。

还以为你会在Henderson Heights 买呢.大力宣传高地不知你在那是要卖呢还是要买呢?还是打算在那建房?
作者: heart    时间: 2015-7-3 11:11:04

Flat Bush又被黑了。。。
作者: songinator    时间: 2015-7-3 11:13:14

NewLynnHse 发表于 2015-7-3 10:07
这个区是出了名的,至于为什么就不知道了。你搜下以前的帖子吧

鼠版这贴这不太符合版规吧   一个是点名  一个是道听途说
其实也没关系  奥克兰所有的坏builder都在flat bush 不去别的地方就对了
作者: joyjoyjoy    时间: 2015-7-3 11:13:51

很多新房都是刚开始没有经验的人建,质量你懂的。。。。。。。。。。。。
作者: NewLynnHse    时间: 2015-7-3 11:14:59

songinator 发表于 2015-7-3 10:13
鼠版这贴这不太符合版规吧   一个是点名  一个是道听途说
其实也没关系  奥克兰所有的坏builder都在flat  ...

这个是问了“是真的吗”,所以暂时放着,让有心人来给FB正名。
作者: wendod    时间: 2015-7-3 11:17:30

坐等Flat Bush被黑,看看到底能被黑到啥程度
作者: 猩猩都叫兽    时间: 2015-7-3 11:23:47

成月经帖了。fb真可怜。
作者: ctai010    时间: 2015-7-3 11:27:53

NewLynnHse 发表于 2015-7-3 10:14
这个是问了“是真的吗”,所以暂时放着,让有心人来给FB正名。

my opinions is these sort accusation should at least contain some specific information so people can discuss.

A generic statement like this is not wothy time to prove / disapprove.

Just a random thought, how about starting from tomorrow, I start a a similar generic topic on all areas in Auckland everyday?
Today: I heard houses build in Albany's quality is poor! is it true?
Tomorrow: I heard houses build in Henderson's quality is poor! is it true?
next day: I heard houses build in Stonefiled's.... Is it true?
and recycle everyday, haha...  

作者: happymaggie    时间: 2015-7-3 11:30:06

flat bush300多,400平米的建地都已经冲向50高60初了,虽然一直被说那边质量不好啥的,但是似乎好像房子也不愁卖不了啊。。。定期被黑一下,提高曝光率啊
作者: NewLynnHse    时间: 2015-7-3 11:31:19

ctai010 发表于 2015-7-3 10:27
my opinions is these sort accusation should at least contain some specific information so people c ...

it's ok, just like PH, the more it gets "blacked", the higher the prices get...heh heh
作者: 119900    时间: 2015-7-3 11:31:36

我实话实说啊,真正懂得盖房的规范流程,材料好坏,工艺精美的自盖者有多少比例???
打个简单的比方:一个房子因为木工钉子打的直,要比另外一个房子木头钉子打的不直的多卖2万,但是外观面积都一样,谁会买贵的?
那么问题来了,为啥钉子直的会贵?
作者: ctai010    时间: 2015-7-3 11:31:56

poor build quality is a problem everywhere in Auckland these days, not just chinese builders.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/ ... ding-inspectors-say

these is reported by manager of inspections for the north/west region.

Flat Bush is not north/west right? However I'm sure similar problem will happen everywhere these day.
作者: quad5    时间: 2015-7-3 11:33:27

119900 发表于 2015-7-3 10:31
我实话实说啊,真正懂得盖房的规范流程,材料好坏,工艺精美的自盖者有多少比例???
打个简单的比方:一 ...

why?                           
作者: 119900    时间: 2015-7-3 11:37:26

quad5 发表于 2015-7-3 10:33
why?

你想问的是为什么会贵吗?
最基本的原因:1,好的结构固定会使房子更稳固。2,工耗。
作者: diershi    时间: 2015-7-3 11:39:26

质量很好的    不会塌的    只是经常漏水而已              
作者: quad5    时间: 2015-7-3 11:42:49

119900 发表于 2015-7-3 10:37
你想问的是为什么会贵吗?
最基本的原因:1,好的结构固定会使房子更稳固。2,工耗。 ...

房子的frame 不是木架公司 prenail 的吗?房子的结构不是有工程师的检查吗?  
作者: songinator    时间: 2015-7-3 11:57:55

diershi 发表于 2015-7-3 10:39
质量很好的    不会塌的    只是经常漏水而已

http://www.bc.org.nz/mono.html
给你科普一下  All houses leak
据我所知FB的房子95%以上都是05年以后建的  
作者: 119900    时间: 2015-7-3 12:00:47

quad5 发表于 2015-7-3 10:42
房子的frame 不是木架公司 prenail 的吗?房子的结构不是有工程师的检查吗?   ...


C也是过,A也是过,有不一样啊。。。
作者: cizzzzk    时间: 2015-7-3 12:07:49

这个问题也很容易分析,以300平的全新房为例,质量靠得住的造价在1500一平,地基复杂的还要加钱。房子成本将近50万了,flatbush地价在55万左右,在算上中介费,贷款利息,开发商10%的辛苦费,所以成本120万,那么问题来了:售价低于120的房子是怎么来的?
作者: quad5    时间: 2015-7-3 12:12:24

cizzzzk 发表于 2015-7-3 11:07
这个问题也很容易分析,以300平的全新房为例,质量靠得住的造价在1500一平,地基复杂的还要加钱。房子成本 ...

要么地便宜, 要房子材料买的便宜, 要么人工便宜,
作者: cizzzzk    时间: 2015-7-3 12:17:55

quad5 发表于 2015-7-3 11:12
要么地便宜, 要房子材料买的便宜, 要么人工便宜,

即使当时开发商买地时成本低,但卖的时候算成本是按照当前地价来的,谁也不愿意把自己的capital gain白白送人。如果是后两者便宜导致成本便宜,那房子质量就成问题了。其实买入价格就体现了房子质量,一分价钱一分货,不能即要便宜又要对品质要求太高,开发商只要保证有CCC就行了
作者: ctai010    时间: 2015-7-3 12:24:47

本帖最后由 ctai010 于 2015-7-3 11:40 编辑
cizzzzk 发表于 2015-7-3 11:07
这个问题也很容易分析,以300平的全新房为例,质量靠得住的造价在1500一平,地基复杂的还要加钱。房子成本 ...

What you said have some valid point, but all the newly build houses you see on the market today, the section is bought at least 1-2 year ago. For the new sections bought at 550-600k range, most is still under land / infrastructure development current. I imagine it will be at least 6-12 month away from we see houses build on 550k-600k section to puton market. By that time most likely house price will be higher right? That's the risk / reward developer take.

In addition, there can be a lot variables on your calculation:
1. Fundation is not normally complicated. Most sections in FB is flat, it's call 'Flat' Bush right :)
2. Most sections is bought on builder terms. Builder can potentially save a lot on interest. Besides, the buildling cost is paid as it build, so overall the interest may not be as high for developers.
3. Most, if not all, developer is builder themselve. So there is no fixed 'Developer' margin. They will simply try to sell for a good price. If the house fectch a higher price, they make more margin. As simple as that.

Lastly, today's FB house with 300m indoor on 400m section prices around 110 - 130. Even if what you said is totally true, it still within your calculation range.  
作者: 夏天的花儿    时间: 2015-7-3 12:33:50

买房需要火眼金睛啊
作者: MR2(SW20)    时间: 2015-7-3 12:41:00

ctai010 发表于 2015-7-3 11:24
What you said have some valid point, but all the newly build houses you see on the market today, t ...

Do you live in FB or have a house in that area?  
作者: cizzzzk    时间: 2015-7-3 12:46:22

ctai010 发表于 2015-7-3 11:24
What you said have some valid point, but all the newly build houses you see on the market today, t ...

没有算那么仔细了,只是告诉大家一个简单道理,花多少钱办多少事,随着房价在涨,房子的质量也在提高,前几年房价低,利润低,开发商只能在建房成本上做文章。现在价格打开了,开发商思路也改变了,专注设计和建筑品质,进而可以多买个十万 二十万的。现在的130左右的新房和5年前建的房子的是完全不一样的,当然仍不能排除少数粗制滥造的情况。再回到楼主说的新房质量差,还有100万价位的近新房,我觉得主要指的是3年前建的房子,现在在建的应该普遍比较好了。
作者: ctai010    时间: 2015-7-3 13:17:55

MR2(SW20) 发表于 2015-7-3 11:41
Do you live in FB or have a house in that area?

yes I do..............
作者: MR2(SW20)    时间: 2015-7-3 13:21:25

ctai010 发表于 2015-7-3 12:17
yes I do..............

Okay, that explains why your comments are all very defensive when it come down to any discussion related to FB. It is understandable but yet not quite objective.
作者: jessica    时间: 2015-7-3 13:32:36

月经帖又来了~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
作者: diershi    时间: 2015-7-3 13:45:17

songinator 发表于 2015-7-3 10:57
http://www.bc.org.nz/mono.html
给你科普一下  All houses leak
据我所知FB的房子95%以上都是05年以后建 ...

玩笑了  不必当真                           
作者: gwu    时间: 2015-7-3 13:58:45

黑fb  的人可以说说理由吗。

不要每月都黑一次。
作者: ctai010    时间: 2015-7-3 14:29:18

MR2(SW20) 发表于 2015-7-3 12:21
Okay, that explains why your comments are all very defensive when it come down to any discussion r ...

ha, i exepct this sort of comment from day 1.
Yes my view is not completely neutural. What i said only represent my opinion, just like everybody else.

What I said only represent my knowledge and expereince, and of course some stuff I said can be wrong. Which part I said isn't objective? But happy to hear / discuss anything. I'll try to be as obective as I can :)

Beside, if we are talking about a particular district, isn't local resident's opinion worth hearing?
作者: MR2(SW20)    时间: 2015-7-3 14:57:09

ctai010 发表于 2015-7-3 13:29
ha, i exepct this sort of comment from day 1.
Yes my view is not completely neutural. What i said ...

Just for the record, nobody is saying that your input and opinion is worthless. There is a fair line between "worthless" and "not objective".

Like you said, your comments is based on your own experiences and knowledge. Then it is inappropriate to describe ideas or impression from others as "accusation". In fact, if "accusation" is always made against a particular area then it makes people think that must be a logical reason for it.

I respect the way that you have your opinion and stand by it. But instead of being obviously defensive, it would work much better if you can state the facts, if there are any, to support your theory.

Personally, I do not think it would be a easy task as the results will only be revealed in about 4 to 5 years time.

作者: songinator    时间: 2015-7-3 15:01:16

MR2(SW20) 发表于 2015-7-3 13:57
Just for the record, nobody is saying that your input and opinion is worthless. There is a fair li ...

there are houses built for 4 to 5 years already in that area or even 10 years
作者: MR2(SW20)    时间: 2015-7-3 15:04:03

songinator 发表于 2015-7-3 14:01
there are houses built for 4 to 5 years already in that area or even 10 years

I believe the ones that people worried about are not the ones which were built 4 or 5 years or even 10 years.


作者: NewLynnHse    时间: 2015-7-3 15:04:29

songinator 发表于 2015-7-3 14:01
there are houses built for 4 to 5 years already in that area or even 10 years

大师在FB是不是有房子?
作者: songinator    时间: 2015-7-3 15:13:40

NewLynnHse 发表于 2015-7-3 14:04
大师在FB是不是有房子?

东区各地就这么几个地方  买几套就都有了离佛光山近好修行

作者: ctai010    时间: 2015-7-3 20:45:52

MR2(SW20) 发表于 2015-7-3 13:57
Just for the record, nobody is saying that your input and opinion is worthless. There is a fair li ...

I don't know why you hold me to a higher standard than others.
The topic of this subject is : 'I heard Flat Bush have many poorly build new house, is it true"

Firstly I said this:
poor build quality is a problem everywhere in Auckland these days, not just Chinese builders.

Then I referenced a recent news article:  
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/ ... ding-inspectors-say

In side the article, looks like the example they reported is from a inspection manager working on the the north/west region.

Is this not enough support?

Lastly, I acknowledge again similar problem will happen everywhere these days in Auckland, include FB.

How is above 'obviously defensive'?

May I ask which area you live? Assuming you live in Mt Wellington ok?
What if I go start a new topic and say 'I heard Mt Wellington's crime is so bad, a lot people get murdered inside their house at night, is it true?'
And assume you come out and say 'I live in Mt Wellington many years and I'm fine, and all my neighbors are fine. And here, I searched all homicide cases in Auckland, there is 1 in Mt Roskill at 2015 (news link at http:/xxxx), 1 in Ponsonby at 2014 (news link at http:/xxxx)...". Overall homocide is rare in Auckland but it can happen anywhere"

And I say 'dude.. instead of being obviously defensive, you should backup your statement with fact'

How would you feel? that's exactly what you are doing to me mate.

If there's anything specific things I said wrong, I'm happy be to corrected.
作者: beck@    时间: 2015-7-3 21:28:38

一栋房子钉子可以省下好几百刀。。。。。。。。。。。。
作者: 取暖基本靠抖    时间: 2015-7-3 22:06:16

happymaggie 发表于 2015-7-3 10:30
flat bush300多,400平米的建地都已经冲向50高60初了,虽然一直被说那边质量不好啥的,但是似乎好像房子也 ...

新出来的已经60多了。50多已经是过去时了。。。。。。
作者: 流落他乡    时间: 2015-7-3 22:24:05

本帖最后由 流落他乡 于 2015-7-3 21:30 编辑

虽说我不住那区,其实只要对这种评论置之不理就好了.附和的人也是够可以了,欲言又止地的一句话下来还拖着长长的尾,就好象他那区都好房子似的...
新建的房子,尤其是最近两年仓促赶工建的,基本上都鱼龙混杂,质量参差不齐,得看建筑商德行.

作者: tianzhi11    时间: 2015-7-3 22:28:02

买房需要火眼金睛,同意。
作者: clive    时间: 2015-7-3 22:29:11


作者: milestone    时间: 2015-7-3 22:30:06

songinator 发表于 2015-7-3 10:13
鼠版这贴这不太符合版规吧   一个是点名  一个是道听途说
其实也没关系  奥克兰所有的坏builder都在flat  ...

他肯定在FB没有房子
作者: 大雄_John    时间: 2015-7-3 22:32:10

我也听朋友说有朋友在那的房子已经开始出现一些质量问题了。
作者: songinator    时间: 2015-7-3 22:33:59

milestone 发表于 2015-7-3 21:30
他肯定在FB没有房子

版主也没有
作者: MR2(SW20)    时间: 2015-7-4 01:30:17

ctai010 发表于 2015-7-3 19:45
I don't know why you hold me to a higher standard than others.
The topic of this subject is : 'I  ...

Dude, I was gonna say something and then I realise that this isn't gonna go anywhere meaningful anyway. Put it in this way, one says my issue is not issue any more cause others have the same issue (really, lol). Let's agree to disagree and end the discussion here.
作者: nanjingwy    时间: 2015-7-4 05:29:46

请问哪个区的房子没有质量问题?

作者: 同一个人    时间: 2015-7-4 08:35:10

可以说一半是对的。其实现在大部分的个人开发的新房都存在这个问题,材料人工选最便宜的,能省就省,质量存在很大隐患,council的检查能过不代表质量是好的。当然这个现象不单单只是在 flat bush.
不过也要看开发的和盖房的都是些什么人,你懂的。
作者: 同一个人    时间: 2015-7-4 08:36:57

cizzzzk 发表于 2015-7-3 11:07
这个问题也很容易分析,以300平的全新房为例,质量靠得住的造价在1500一平,地基复杂的还要加钱。房子成本 ...

三百平的房子应该是两层的吧?每平方1500的造价就能说质量放心了?这1500每平方你说的是全包吗?
作者: sam_sy    时间: 2015-7-4 09:12:29

Stonefields fletcher 建的房子應該沒問題吧
作者: ctai010    时间: 2015-7-4 09:45:35

MR2(SW20) 发表于 2015-7-4 00:30
Dude, I was gonna say something and then I realise that this isn't gonna go anywhere meaningful an ...

"says my issue is not issue any more cause others have the same issue"
that part I agree. But put the problem into context, this is a Auckland (if not NZ) wide problem, buys may want to be very vigilant when buying new house anywhere. And buying from kiwi developer don't eliminate the problem too. I'll go one more step and say even buying from branded, large kiwi developer still doesn't mean there won't be problem with quality.

This topic is debated in length in the past, many, many, many other people made similar conclusion. There is a dude (looks like from the construction industry) commented "Even Remuera have leaky building. And Even FB have responsible and decent developer". Which is exactly my point. Unfortunately I cant find that old topic anymore.   

So, I agree with this statement: "says my issue is not issue any more cause others have the same issue".
So people should keep eyes wide open when buying new house anywhere, include FB.

You could have said that from the start and the discussion can stay perfectly neutral.
There is no need to say people's comment is not objective because they live in the same area.
Following that logic, I can make the same accusation toward you.
Assuming you don't live in FB right? that means you likely own a place elsewhere right?
Hey, your comment purposely biased, you are obviously discriminating agianst FB.
But that would be a very stupid and arrogant thing to say.
I personally judge the value of word by the word itself, but by the person said it.  

作者: 微苦蓝山    时间: 2015-7-4 09:50:39

其实大部分这几年新建的,由华人开发商主导的(对不起事实如此,表喷我)新建房,总体质量都不如80年代中后期之前的,90年代初到2004年有未经处理的木材问题,不讨论
FB只是这类房子相对较多,其他区照样有,甚至有的地区一样很多,所以拿FB单拿出来,是非常不公平的
买房的时候,注意建房年代,最好查到建商是谁,如果能对于那种标准的“低质量房”心中有点大概的数就更好了!

BTW,在FB附近5公里内没有房,所以不是屁股决定的脑袋
作者: cizzzzk    时间: 2015-7-4 11:49:18

同一个人 发表于 2015-7-4 07:36
三百平的房子应该是两层的吧?每平方1500的造价就能说质量放心了?这1500每平方你说的是全包吗? ...

平地的话1500钱是够数了,大包监理还是要辛苦费的吧
作者: 流落他乡    时间: 2015-7-4 12:03:47

楼主没事呻吟就罢了,那谁也跟着起哄,我说这世界啥人都有,就不懂为何不能客观点动动脑子才张口.

倒觉得2005年后的房子会不会造工细致点,那时候市场没那么乱,当然,得撇除非人为的不可控因素,比如说没处理的木头,Plaster之类的.
作者: nznets    时间: 2015-7-4 15:28:35

之前有个2年新的fb房子屋顶塌了,但不代表全部fb的房子都是这样⋯⋯,那个区都有质量差的房子,硬要比较的话有些印度人盖的房子那才叫经典。
作者: JSPMachine    时间: 2015-7-4 17:52:34

beck@ 发表于 2015-7-3 20:28
一栋房子钉子可以省下好几百刀。。。。。。。。。。。。

有几个建筑商也是好的,自己监督用好东西做。
作者: beck@    时间: 2015-7-4 18:04:01

JSPMachine 发表于 2015-7-4 16:52
有几个建筑商也是好的,自己监督用好东西做。

求推荐~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
作者: love_3_month    时间: 2015-7-9 09:32:31

如果是小开发商或者没有经验的开发商或者自己弄的房子,很多地方考虑不周或者能省则省,最后出现问题的可能性大一些,这个挺符合逻辑的。

fb只是碰巧这种开发商的房子比较集中,同事规模也比较大,所以比较显眼。这些小开发商也去其他区,但这些老区里面新房子少,所以比例不高。同时,在fb也有大公司,也有有经验很负责的小公司,所以不能一概而论。但给人的印象就是这样,这个没办法了。。。。
作者: potatoqueen    时间: 2015-7-9 22:05:20

所以我只买Fletcher造的房子,洋人大公司用的材料就是好,看屋外的塑料排水管就看出来了,洋人的水管塑料特别厚特别硬,FB之前看过一华人造的,那塑料管软软的 一捏都变形。
作者: andylie92    时间: 2015-7-9 22:18:55

flat bush 很好啊
作者: 猩猩都叫兽    时间: 2015-7-9 22:26:46

质量好坏大部分人看不出来,而且表面上也很难看出来其实。至于内部的线啊,地基啊什么的也看不到。洋人偷工减料的也不少。真想买到绝对放心的房子,只能自己买地选料自己盖了。至于买现成的,就别太纠结了。那么多人住得都没事偏偏你遇到只能怪自己运气差了。保不准哪天爆出FLETCHER偷工减料的新闻,就象当年三鹿的三聚氢氨呢。
作者: songinator    时间: 2015-7-9 22:28:26

猩猩都叫兽 发表于 2015-7-9 21:26
质量好坏大部分人看不出来,而且表面上也很难看出来其实。至于内部的线啊,地基啊什么的也看不到。洋人偷工 ...

fletcher不是前两个月刚刚爆出concrete出问题么 water cement ratio搞错了
作者: 猩猩都叫兽    时间: 2015-7-9 22:35:19

songinator 发表于 2015-7-9 21:28
fletcher不是前两个月刚刚爆出concrete出问题么 water cement ratio搞错了

还是不够劲爆啊。再说盖房子这么大的工程难免出点问题。非纠结用料真没必要,除非自己当监工。再说商品房吗,本身是商品,那么自然有好有坏。钱多就买最好的。预算有限又想买最好的本来就在这个世界中不怎么成立。
作者: songinator    时间: 2015-7-9 22:50:10

猩猩都叫兽 发表于 2015-7-9 21:35
还是不够劲爆啊。再说盖房子这么大的工程难免出点问题。非纠结用料真没必要,除非自己当监工。再说商品房 ...

是  要保证质量就自己监工自己选材料  价格和付出的代价就大咯
作者: nzsleepless    时间: 2015-7-10 00:52:49

Fb就象一块臭豆腐,闻起来臭,吃起来香,加上经年累月的臭水卤制浸泡,不由得闻起来越来越臭,吃起来也越来越香。
作者: fszt    时间: 2015-7-10 01:27:52

nznets 发表于 2015-7-4 14:28
之前有个2年新的fb房子屋顶塌了,但不代表全部fb的房子都是这样⋯⋯,那个区都有质量差的房子,硬要比较的 ...

这个已经很说明问题了。
作者: NewLynnHse    时间: 2015-7-10 08:27:33

songinator 发表于 2015-7-9 21:28
fletcher不是前两个月刚刚爆出concrete出问题么 water cement ratio搞错了

我看懂大师的意思了
作者: gwu    时间: 2015-7-10 09:05:18

Fb 的卖点就是房大地小新房便宜。非常适合印度和中国人。一个房子可以住三代人。街上停满taxi. 借酱油不用出门。没有臭豆腐只有curry味道。新town center.
作者: nanjingwy    时间: 2015-7-10 09:12:14

为什么建筑相关的人这么说?
因为fb的水很深,开发商在哪里都一样,能做利润最大化的最好。人工材料有便宜的,他们一定不用贵的,所以无形见会得罪一批建筑相关业者,黑这里的自然多了。
房子盖好后很多地方你是看不见的,最简单的看看厨房的材料,台面有多大多厚,浴室的浴缸有多大,多比比,还是比较容易看出哪些好哪些不好的。
哪里都有好的,也有不好的房子。

作者: songinator    时间: 2015-7-10 10:12:25

gwu 发表于 2015-7-10 08:05
Fb 的卖点就是房大地小新房便宜。非常适合印度和中国人。一个房子可以住三代人。街上停满taxi. 借酱油不用 ...

开taxi的都住papatoetoe
作者: Bearonrun    时间: 2015-7-10 10:26:32

Flat bush 的普遍建筑质量如何,行内人早有共识。
作者: 狂风暴雨    时间: 2015-7-10 10:48:52

这个看着象是逆向的广告贴,还是我想多了
作者: qazxsw123    时间: 2015-7-10 11:20:23

其实哪里都一样,奥克兰圈子就那么大。盖房子的各个区都有工地。其实最可怕的还是北岸都是坡地,坡地的地基水分高到难以想象。房子内部料好料差也就5万左右的事,而且能看出来。至于地基吗
作者: gwu    时间: 2015-7-10 12:37:01

songinator 发表于 2015-7-10 09:12
开taxi的都住papatoetoe

Mumbai 和new Delhi.  Fb and papa 没啥分别。。一个新城区一个旧城区。。等新的town center 建完就可以命名China town and  Indian town
作者: songinator    时间: 2015-7-10 18:08:35

gwu 发表于 2015-7-10 11:37
Mumbai 和new Delhi.  Fb and papa 没啥分别。。一个新城区一个旧城区。。等新的town center 建完就可以 ...

怪不得附近华人设施和餐厅这么方便    想和洋人一起住可以去tauranga cambridge 房价还便宜
作者: boris    时间: 2015-7-11 12:23:45

nzsleepless 发表于 2015-7-9 23:52
Fb就象一块臭豆腐,闻起来臭,吃起来香,加上经年累月的臭水卤制浸泡,不由得闻起来越来越臭,吃起来也越来 ...


作者: boris    时间: 2015-7-11 12:28:32

gwu 发表于 2015-7-10 11:37
Mumbai 和new Delhi.  Fb and papa 没啥分别。。一个新城区一个旧城区。。等新的town center 建完就可以 ...

干脆正式命名:华印新村?
作者: gwu    时间: 2015-7-11 12:40:34

songinator 发表于 2015-7-10 17:08
怪不得附近华人设施和餐厅这么方便    想和洋人一起住可以去tauranga cambridge 房价还便宜 ...

喜欢阿三和闻curry 可以去印度。那里房子更便宜




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