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作者: jamhm55 时间: 2015-5-18 22:46:11 标题: 有法律规定房东不能把房间钥匙给房客的规定？？

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作者: felicia8585 时间: 2015-5-18 23:02:06

楼主房东真烦，要我就搬了，不然我不在怎么知道房东有没有进屋翻，基本隐私权都没受到尊重

作者: oplwy 时间: 2015-5-18 23:04:19

没听说过啊……

作者: jamhm55 时间: 2015-5-18 23:06:26

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作者: songinator 时间: 2015-5-18 23:07:46

本帖最后由 songinator 于 2015-5-18 22:10 编辑

Rights and obligations under a boarding house tenancy

Boarding house landlords' obligations

Residential Tenancies Act 1986, ss 24, 66E, 66G, 66H-66J

When the tenant moves in the landlord must ensure that the tenant's room is clean and vacant. The landlord must provide a copy of the house rules and a list of the costs of all services which are not included in the rent.

The landlord must ensure that at all times:

the boarding house is reasonably clean, secure and in reasonable repair
the boarding house meets relevant building, health and safety requirements
the tenant has access at all times to the tenant's room and to toilet and bathroom facilities
the tenant has access at all reasonable hours to the other facilities in the premises
copies of the house rules and fire evacuation procedures are on display
they take all reasonable steps to ensure that the house rules are observed, and are enforced in a fair and consistent manner
they give at least 28 days' written notice of any rent increase
they avoid interference with the tenant's reasonable peace, privacy and comfort
they do not unnecessarily interrupt the supply of electricity, water, and gas
they pay all the shared bills
they notify tenants immediately if the house is being sold or the locks are being changed.

Boarding house tenants' obligations

Residential Tenancies Act 1986, ss 66E-66G, 66K-66M, 66T

Some of the tenant's obligations are to:

pay the rent on time
keep the bedroom reasonably clean and tidy
not use the boarding house for an unlawful purpose
promptly notify the landlord of any damage or any need for repairs
follow the house rules
not attach any fixtures or make any alteration to the boarding house without the landlord's written permission
not keep a pet without the landlord's permission
not transfer (“assign”) the tenancy to anyone else
pay for damage that they or their visitors cause
pay for any damage to their room, unless they share the room or the can prove they did not cause the damage
not disturb other people
pay the bills for the room, if the expenses are metered separately
let the landlord into the room if the landlord has a right to enter
remove all their property at the end of the tenancy and leave the boarding room in a reasonably clean and tidy condition.

When can a landlord enter the boarding house?

Residential Tenancies Act 1986, s 66Q

Landlords may enter the common areas of boarding houses at any time, as long as they do not interfere with the tenants' reasonable peace, comfort, or privacy.

However, a landlord may only enter a tenant's room in limited circumstances.

Residential Tenancies Act 1986, ss 66R-66S

The landlord can enter the tenant's room without notice if:

the tenant freely agrees
the landlord has a good reason to believe that they need to enter immediately because of a serious risk to life or property
the landlord has to enter the room to provide services that the tenancy agreement says they will provide
the Tenancy Tribunal has ordered that the landlord may enter the room.

The landlord can enter the room between 8am and 6pm if they give the tenant 24 hours' notice and:

the landlord wants to inspect the room, and they have not inspected in the last four weeks
the landlord wants to show the room to a prospective tenant, prospective buyer, prospective lender, registered valuer, real estate agent or expert assessor
the landlord has a good reason to believe that the tenant has failed to comply with their obligations
the landlord has to enter to fulfil their landlord obligations
the landlord wants to confirm whether or not the tenant has abandoned the tenancy
the landlord wants to check work that the tenant is meant to have done on the room.

Note:Notice can be spoken or can be in writing. The tenant must be told what people will enter, at about what time on what day, and why they are entering. If the notice is in writing, it must be given to the tenant in person or put on the tenant’s door or inside the tenant’s room (for example by sliding it under the door). The landlord must enter the room in a reasonable manner (they should knock and wait). They must stay in the room only as long as they need to for the purpose, and they must not unnecessarily interfere with tenants’ property.

House rules

Residential Tenancies Act 1986, ss 66O, 66P

The landlord may make house rules about the boarding house and the services there.

Landlords may change the rules at any time, as long as they give the tenant seven days' written notice of the change.

A tenant may apply to the Tenancy Tribunal for an order that a house rule is unlawful, if the house rule:

is discriminatory
is inconsistent with the Privacy Act
is inconsistent with the Residential Tenancies Act
is illegal in any other way.

A tenant can complain to the Tenancy Tribunal even if the tenant knew about the rule when they agreed to move in to the boarding house.

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Ending a boarding house tenancy

How much notice does a boarding house tenant have to give?

Residential Tenancies Act 1986, s 66V

A boarding house tenant may end the tenancy by giving 48 hours' notice. The notice does not have to be in writing and does not have to include any reasons.

Note:If there is an end date written in a boarding house tenancy agreement, some landlords will argue that the tenant must stay until that end date. The law is not absolutely clear, so consider seeking more advice from 0800 TENANCY or from a Community Law Centre.

How much notice does a boarding house landlord have to give?

Residential Tenancies Act 1986, ss 66U, 66X

Without giving reasons, a landlord may terminate a boarding house tenancy on 28 days' notice.

A landlord may terminate a boarding house tenancy on 48 hours' notice if:

the tenant owes rent and has been given at least 10 days' written notice to pay
the tenant is using the premises for an illegal purpose
the rent is overdue and the landlord believes that the tenant has abandoned the room and the landlord has followed the process the Residential Tenancies Act sets out for abandoned boarding rooms.

A landlord may terminate a boarding house tenancy immediately, if the tenant has:

caused or threatened serious damages to the premises
endangered, or threatened to endanger, people or property
caused or threatened serious disruption to other tenants.

If the tenant disagrees with the landlord's reasons for terminating the tenancy immediately or on 48 hours' notice, the tenant can complain to the Tenancy Tribunal.

What has to be in the landlord's notice?

Residential Tenancies Act 1986, s 66U

The notice of termination must be in writing and must say:

the date of the notice
the date the tenancy ends
the reason for the notice (unless 28 days' notice is given)
the tenant's name
the name, number and contact address of the landlord or the landlord's agent.

Residential Tenancies Act 1986, ss 54, 66U

Note:If a tenant believes they have been given notice in retaliation for asserting their rights, the tenant has 14 days to apply to the Tenancy Tribunal to have the notice cancelled.

作者: songinator 时间: 2015-5-18 23:12:23

钥匙是可以给你的但你不可以自己装锁且房东必须有紧急时候可以进入的能力否则你屋子着火你不在怎么办？房东有权利保护自己的财产安全和生命安全

作者: jamhm55 时间: 2015-5-18 23:16:16

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作者: songinator 时间: 2015-5-18 23:20:45

jamhm55 发表于 2015-5-18 22:16
所以，没锁，我不能自己装锁，但是他装的，但不给钥匙，就是因为他不想而已了。是这个意思吧。
我之前猜 ...

曾经我租房的时候房间有两把钥匙我给房客一把
我觉得应该是你朋友不想给

作者: 411 时间: 2015-5-18 23:24:25

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作者: jamhm55 时间: 2015-5-18 23:29:28

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作者: joy___123 时间: 2015-5-19 09:53:59

按你说的这房东有病吧？瞎话真是张口就来。

你的房间你没钥匙是个什么回事？哪天房间给锁上了着火了跑不出来房东算谋杀不？

正常都是房东房客一人一把钥匙，从来没碰到过这么SB的房东。插销的那个勉强可以理解，因为人在里面出啥事房东进不去，但是有锁没钥匙的，24K纯SB。撒谎就算了，好歹带点智商啊~

作者: GreatCursER 时间: 2015-5-19 14:20:56

你们这个是朋友之间的事已经不是房东房客之间的关系了不爽就搬家

作者: 119900 时间: 2015-5-19 14:36:22

钥匙是要给的啊。。。。

作者: kathl 时间: 2015-5-19 14:40:31

我只听说过没锁的，第一次听说没钥匙的。万一半夜你房东进你房间。。。。。。

我的房间两把钥匙，房东和我各一个。但是，我睡觉一定反锁门，不然感觉还是不舒服

作者: quad5 时间: 2015-5-20 11:03:31

WTF......................

作者: 我是元芳 时间: 2015-5-20 12:06:03

我是房東
遇到正妹肯定會給"我"房間鑰匙

作者: 94吹纽B 时间: 2015-5-20 17:13:01

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作者: chaor 时间: 2015-5-23 12:22:28

joy___123 发表于 2015-5-19 08:53
按你说的这房东有病吧？瞎话真是张口就来。

你的房间你没钥匙是个什么回事？哪天房间给锁上了着火了跑不出 ...

卧室门是不能锁的，还撒谎，这是事实好么，真逗，能锁的才有问题，租房和HS的时候一般都不会给房门钥匙，这是合法的，怕火灾等发生，新西兰法律好像只有厕所可以单独锁上，和外面的门

作者: jamhm55 时间: 2015-5-30 02:20:35

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作者: love_3_month 时间: 2015-5-30 07:36:25

大门钥匙都给了，房间钥匙为什么不给啊，真奇怪

只要房东有钥匙，有必要可以随时开门，就不算违法

至于给不给房客，完全看房东心情。这个明显是奇怪的房东，损人不利己啊。你什么时候把自己反锁在外面还要让她来开？

唯一的可能是，她不想钥匙给你，被你遗失，或者被人偷了，或者以后搬走了别人住进来了你却有钥匙。。。但这是多奇怪的想法啊，你都有大门钥匙了还差房门钥匙。。。

话说回来，房间没有用钥匙的锁，只是简单的开关的锁，很正常，因为都是家里人。但出租房子就要考虑大家的需求，房客无所谓就算了，既然提出就应该满足，不然合不来就搬，自己编个理由啥的也是很极品。不过不排除房东也是被别人忽悠的。总之是智商堪忧啊。

作者: chaor 时间: 2015-5-30 11:45:01

jamhm55 发表于 2015-5-30 01:20
你误会了，首先，锁不是我装的，房东自己全给换上了，
也就是说，无论怎么样，都能锁。
唯一的不同是，我 ...

错，是锁门非法，不是有锁的门非法，法律规定这种屋子是不允许锁门的明白么，来了这么久估计你们没注意，这个法律也不普及，几乎所有HS按照要求来的，百分之百不允许锁门，其实让你在内部插一个简易的没什么，但是不允许有人可以把门锁上，和有没有钥匙没关系，既然房东有钥匙，你锁上也没什么用，法律规定其实他们不能随意进出你的卧室的，明白么，锁门就像其它楼说的，怕遇见火险等不安全，你如果最近有念书的朋友，刚来，问HS，知道的，或者大多数都知道不能锁门，但不是不能买带锁的门……你理解有问题，就好比不能开枪杀人，不代表不能买枪……

作者: chaor 时间: 2015-5-30 11:47:13

我说的是那层楼的哥们，说什么忽悠人，确实有这个，因为我平时玩QQ群，帮助来新西兰留学生，加上我自己也是，交流非常多，特意了解过这个问题，遵守程度一般，但是不锁不一定不好，不要多心，人好就行，他们不乱进就行，不要紧张

作者: jamhm55 时间: 2015-5-30 13:33:53

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作者: chaor 时间: 2015-5-30 15:22:12

jamhm55 发表于 2015-5-30 12:33
哦，所以意思就是说，即便房东有备用钥匙紧急情况下可以随时开任何一扇门，我也不能有钥匙和锁门？是个意 ...

当然，火灾发生了，谁还去找钥匙来开门，要是有钥匙能开就算的话，那都可以锁了

作者: jamhm55 时间: 2015-5-31 00:15:59

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作者: chaor 时间: 2015-5-31 13:01:21

jamhm55 发表于 2015-5-30 23:16
那房东自己可以锁门吗？
因为。。按这个怪法令的节奏，着火了房东自己锁的门也没时间找钥匙开门呐。。。
...

我无奈了，所有人都不可以，但是这个又没人查，但是人遵守不遵守就不知道了

作者: skysadness 时间: 2015-6-1 21:31:45

法律个蛋，就是不想给你而已，这边华人房东有几个守法的

作者: joy___123 时间: 2015-6-1 23:20:44

chaor 发表于 2015-5-30 10:47
我说的是那层楼的哥们，说什么忽悠人，确实有这个，因为我平时玩QQ群，帮助来新西兰留学生，加上我自己也是 ...

请问出处在哪里？不是QQ群吧？

LZ不像homestay,所以没查HS的要求（如果HS有这种要求请问出处在哪，学习一下）正常的Residential Tenancy Act（整租房不讨论）和Boarding House Tenancies（分租房间，适用于LZ情况），出处是（http://www.tenancy.govt.nz/start ... es/#related-content， export as PDF, 第三页) ，房东有义务加锁（大门和room），而且房客有权利随时进入自己房间（随时的意思是不需要通过房东开门）
Security
A boarding house landlord must provide and maintain sufficient locks to ensure the house and allrooms are reasonably secure. They must also make sure tenants have access to their room andtoilet and bathroom facilities at all times.Before changing any lock or similar device, the landlord must tell every tenant who will be affected.Tenants must not alter, add to or remove any lock or similar device.

至于锁门和火险的这条勉强相关，但是更针对的是租客block逃生通道，更不是“不能上锁”的理由。

Tenants must not interfere with, or render inoperative, any means of escape from fire.

所以LZ的房东就是忽悠，至于是有心忽悠还是自己也不懂装懂就不一定了。合租房房间装锁的话，房东和房客都有权利拿钥匙。LZ碰到不合理的事情，要自己找可靠来源，不然以讹传讹就是这么来的。

作者: jamhm55 时间: 2015-6-2 12:35:48

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作者: kyjac623 时间: 2015-6-2 23:03:25

我房東也是超奇葩的，其他兩個房客的門鎖都是帶鑰匙的，而我的門鎖卻只是類似手把的(沒帶鎖匙的那一種)。之前也是有壞過一次，也是不馬上幫我修，直接過了幾天有新房客搬進來時，我再口過後才甘心換個新的給我。他們的隱私都沒光了，所以現在但考慮搬家中，哈哈。

作者: chaor 时间: 2015-6-3 12:26:40

joy___123 发表于 2015-6-1 22:20
请问出处在哪里？不是QQ群吧？

LZ不像homestay,所以没查HS的要求（如果HS有这种要求请问出处在哪，学习 ...

哈哈，你找那个肯定找不到，你找真正洋人建房的问问，所有卧室不允许锁门，还道听途说，我是QQ群负责人，还有本地KIWI好多人都知道，我朋友们住的HS一多半没有能锁门的……其实内部插锁也许可以，但是像国内那样，可以用钥匙锁上，特别是这里提到的想锁门，是不行的，还是那句话，你单独把门锁上，而且你人还可以不在屋里，出现火险等等，是绝对不允许的，只不过大多数人不遵循而已，还有我们整租房子的时候，中介都会告诉你，你自己好好查查吧，这个应该是一个基础法律，而且我从来没说通过房东，你怎么就不理解呢，我说的和你说的没有一条不符合，第一不是HS的要求，是全新西兰基础的要求，第二分什么情况也没用，正常情况就是不允许装卧室锁，装上住人时候也不能用，第三，门都不锁，谁都不经过，谁不懂装懂，你找不到多找几个KIWI问问，我是经过5个KIWI HS了解，和学校HS中心询问过，后来也租房时问过专业中介的……你上来就整租房不讨论，然后分租房试用，就把一大部分都扯掉了，然后他本身不是HS的要求，是基本法律，和国内的宿舍不允许放防盗窗一致，遵循的人不多一样，我说的锁是指本文提到的可以拿钥匙内外都锁的这种，其实是不能用的，只不过不严格而已，但是普通的房间内的插锁不一定了……

作者: jamhm55 时间: 2015-6-3 12:55:47

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作者: chaor 时间: 2015-6-3 12:58:30 标题: RE: 有法律规定房东不能把房间钥匙给房客的规定？？

jamhm55 发表于 2015-6-3 11:55
所以。。。插销居然可以。。。那不是跟不给我钥匙锁门一样，都是人在房内反锁门了？
可是，不是有用房东 ...

愿意咋样咋样，真墨迹………你锁门你可以出去，插销可以么！！！！我不确定这个而已，磨磨唧唧没完了

作者: jamhm55 时间: 2015-6-3 13:09:11

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作者: chaor 时间: 2015-6-3 13:11:44

jamhm55 发表于 2015-6-3 12:09
ls别上火啊，我不是来发泄的，我只是来询问的，所以没答案之前当然会一直问下去，要是发泄的话，上来吵吵 ...

不，我没说一定能用，可能不能用，就看你信谁，你信他们吧，哈哈哈……别回复我了，其实你应该相信你的朋友

作者: joy___123 时间: 2015-6-3 16:47:52

jamhm55 发表于 2015-6-3 12:09
ls别上火啊，我不是来发泄的，我只是来询问的，所以没答案之前当然会一直问下去，要是发泄的话，上来吵吵 ...

其实。。。。。。你还看不出来么。。。。。。

不懂装懂的人太多了，像你房东估计有它自己的利益冲突，其他人也许就是刷一下存在感。

法律就是法律，上庭的时候和法官说隔壁洋人怎么说，中介怎么说，输了他们帮你付钱么？

估计你也不大，寻根究底其实是个好习惯，起码要有基本的辨别能力，不管来源是谁，交叉比对一下就知道了。谎言经不起推敲。

最后，所谓“不成文”规定，或者说“common sense”, 这种都是大家互相将就的，不能和法律相提并论。不过拿common sense来忽悠NZ新人/留学生的那绝对是一堆堆，太好糊弄了。你觉得可以接受那OK，觉得不能接受就fight back.

作者: geng350 时间: 2015-6-4 00:49:02

我的房间就没有锁房东一般不会进来，进来之前也会敲门答应的话才会进来，

作者: liaoweiguang123 时间: 2015-6-4 22:46:07

我家房东的门压根就没有锁，但是确实安全啊

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