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作者: ysun062 时间: 2010-2-17 09:17:27 标题: 阿海please come in again USANA - it is a worth while business or a scam ??

本帖最后由 ysun062 于 2010-2-18 08:46 编辑

I have been approached by many people about joining USANA.

Here is what they'll say to u
1, Improve health, change your life, live healthy from now.
2. Make money, achieve financial freedom, be your own boss, let other people make money for you in the future.
3. Cost nothing, since you can claim it back through tax return.

At start I was against it 100%, but now i am 50/50. What they are saying is not entirely false.

Does anyone else here worked with USANA before ? is it really real about what they are saying ?

作者: 萨米 时间: 2010-2-17 09:21:28

Interesting. I can always see Amwayers and USANAers blaming each other.

作者: 无过 时间: 2010-2-17 09:39:47

Usana is good product but don't even think how to make money from it. Tax return is possible but just around $3000 a year.

作者: MANHATTAN 时间: 2010-2-17 09:52:10

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作者: ysun062 时间: 2010-2-17 09:55:07

Usana is good product but don't even think how to make money from it. Tax return is possible but just around $3000 a year.
无过发表于 2010-2-17 09:39

Well, a tax return of $3000 will cover the cost of running the business and self consuming of the usana product. Which is pretty good.

Ofcoz you wont make a profit from tax return.

作者: 无过 时间: 2010-2-17 10:04:31

Now i am pretty sure you are the member of Usana.

作者: ysun062 时间: 2010-2-17 10:10:27

Now i am pretty sure you are the member of Usana.
无过发表于 2010-2-17 10:04

then I have to tell you that you are totally wrong. I am not a member of USANA, come on man, just because I dont say bad things about USANA, it doesnt mean I am a member of USANA.

I just like to determine some facts and to listen to other people's experience

作者: 无过 时间: 2010-2-17 10:26:53

then I have to tell you that you are totally wrong. I am not a member of USANA, come on man, just because I dont say bad things about USANA, it doesnt mean I am a member of USANA.

I just like ...
ysun062 发表于 2010-2-17 10:10

How much do you know about the products?

The fact is most business activities are happening between Chinese.

作者: ysun062 时间: 2010-2-17 10:54:49

How much do you know about the products?

The fact is most business activities are happening between Chinese.
无过发表于 2010-2-17 10:26

I have been approached by 3 or 4 USANA people to try to get me in. So I heard their side of the story, and I felt they have a common/very similar strategy to get people in.

They will make you feel as you are part of a group of successful, bright, smart people, its almost like religion, they have group meeting, social activities, and try to brain wash you. And for those reasons, I dont like USANA, i dont want to be brain washed.

But then I started to do some research on google, there seems to be reasonable argument on both side of the fence.

I do believe in the product itself is a relatively "good" health, but its over priced, other similar product are much cheaper.

And I am concerned that these USANA sales people are not telling the truth about money making side of things. They will say that you'll make 10000k per year in the first one or two year is easy, but i find out that 87% USANA sales wont make a profit at all. And USANA have a massive stuff turnover, most people just become a sales for a year or two and quit, so thats why they have to keep hiring.

But there are some successful sales who are making over $1000 per week. (from what i've been hearing, not sure if its true or not)

作者: 萨米 时间: 2010-2-17 11:03:27

我还听说过卫生斤传销的，说得太神了，头痛帖头，脖子痛帖脖子，男女老少都能用。

作者: 无过 时间: 2010-2-17 11:07:09

我还听说过卫生斤传销的，说得太神了，头痛帖头，脖子痛帖脖子，男女老少都能用。
萨米发表于 2010-2-17 11:03

那太好了，以后不用买膏药了

作者: 葡萄紫 时间: 2010-2-17 11:10:07

NEVER EVER TRUST DIRECT SALES AGIAN. I jointed USANA before and still got some expired product in my fridge T_T..... Also I do not like people who are doing direct sales... they just keep talking, like Tang Seng...

作者: 无过 时间: 2010-2-17 11:21:14

NEVER EVER TRUST DIRECT SALES AGIAN. I jointed USANA before and still got some expired product in my fridge T_T..... Also I do not like people who are doing direct sales... they just keep talking, lik ...
葡萄紫发表于 2010-2-17 11:10

the products are fine, why you don't take them. I like the products but hate the style of selling.

作者: ysun062 时间: 2010-2-17 11:21:31

NEVER EVER TRUST DIRECT SALES AGIAN. I jointed USANA before and still got some expired product in my fridge T_T..... Also I do not like people who are doing direct sales... they just keep talking, lik ...
葡萄紫发表于 2010-2-17 11:10

so from your previous experience with USANA, is it very hard to make a profit ? or is it hard to get other people to be your "下线" ?

作者: yaoming11 时间: 2010-2-17 11:23:55

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作者: ysun062 时间: 2010-2-17 11:30:47

下面的链接，有关于USANA在新西兰的详细分析，给楼主参考

http://www.nbr.co.nz/usana
yaoming11 发表于 2010-2-17 11:23

Thanks, I've read that article a few month ago (as part of my research), but thanks anyway.

作者: Hondan 时间: 2010-2-17 11:41:58

本帖最后由 Hondan 于 2010-2-17 12:01 编辑

Usana is good product but don't even think how to make money from it. Tax return is possible but just around $3000 a year.
无过发表于 2010-2-17 09:39

Be careful to claim tax benefit from doing such network marketing.

It's difficult to get IRD link, but try this: http://www.ird.govt.nz/technical-tax/revenue-alerts/revenue-alert-ra0901.html

作者: 阿海 时间: 2010-2-17 12:55:20

As Robert Kiyosaki saids, Network Marketing is a great business toolfor the amateurs to get into the game of business, and if you have notconsidered it, then it is your loss

My fiancee and I have started our Usana part time business two years ago. We both have our full time jobs on top, and we are really just turtling along really.

We enjoy the products, the supplements are great at giving us more energy, and better well being.

While our USANA income pays part of our mortgage (and free health supplements), some of our friends who started at the same time or a bit later are collecting 4 figure cheques every week. It certainly beats the 12-14 hour days as a real state agent. Of course we see a lot of friends that failed along the way too, but that's part of managing your business. Remember that not everyone has the desire, passion, and dedication to be successful in the world of business.

Usana is just a stepping stone for me, as I'm more passionate about real estate investing. I'm now activily buying and selling land in the US part time, so I haven't been putting time in my Usana business for a while, but cheques still come in every week, so I can't complain.

作者: ysun062 时间: 2010-2-17 12:56:23

Be careful to claim tax benefit from doing such network marketing.

It's difficult to get IRD link, but try this: http://www.ird.govt.nz/technical-tax/revenue-alerts/revenue-alert-ra0901.html
Hondan 发表于 2010-2-17 11:41

Thanks for the info, I had a read, it seemed that IRD has picked up on this multilevel direct sales thing. But nothing is implement to stop these tax return from happening, it will take a significant amount of investment to change IRD's existing process.

作者: DuDu妈 时间: 2010-2-17 13:13:57

去年也有人叫我老公参加的，后来我还在这里问大家呢，最后决定不做。

1。我始终不明白，为什么那么好的营养品不直接推广到大众，为什么不上柜销售
2。没错是自己做老板，但是单靠卖东西没用，一定要拉下线做才真正可以赚所谓的收入。个人不喜欢这样拉人家来做，特别是对自己朋友。虽然说他们的下线结构不一样，下面收2个就好了，但是再帮助下线收，你一样获利，我觉得没有多大区别
3。没有花费？很多人都说可以退税，但那是在你亏得情况下面。IRD也不是傻瓜，你亏个2-3年，他不来找你问问话？亏你还做？有没有businessplan之类的东西？还有，Usana好像是每月必须买东西的，当你卖不掉东西，或者自己不需要买东西，就等于你的membership停了，这段时间所有的费用照例也不能claim，还有会影响到什么，好像是以后购买产品的优惠就没有了之类的我忘记了

别听他们说自己有个副业轻轻松松，你如果没时间出去拉人的就别做。

总而言之，我个人不喜欢做这个，不喜欢，不喜欢，就是不喜欢

作者: 阿海 时间: 2010-2-17 13:30:22

1。我始终不明白，为什么那么好的营养品不直接推广到大众，为什么不上柜销售
网络行销只是一种销售渠道，就像如下：
1）传统的店面行销 - 金钱投资大，支出大，赚钱亏钱很短时间就能知道，通常不适合没经验或没金钱和时间的人
2）网上行销 - 投资小，竞争大，适合有正式工作的人，但有时也很消耗时间（我有个朋友平时上班下班经营trademe生意，结果累得眼睛都瞎了2-3个月）。online business应该说是以后的主流，像trademe, ebay, 掏宝多赚啊。最难的是产品定位。如果要自己设立网站，那traffic是非常头疼的事
3）网络行销
投资小，灵活，适合个人的时间来安排，风险小，支出小，回报高。缺点：投入小，风险小，自然很容易堕落，收入开始头一年不乐观（也要看你时间付出，全职的努力的也能干出很好的成绩)

2。没错是自己做老板，但是单靠卖东西没用，一定要拉下线做才真正可以赚所谓的收入。个人不喜欢这样拉人家来做，特别是对自己朋友。虽然说他们的下线结构不一样，下面收2个就好了，但是再帮助下线收，你一样获利，我觉得没有多大区别
如果朋友不接受，那就别谈啦。做这生意是帮助朋友也帮助自己的，但如果朋友不想获得更好的健康和财富，那就别破坏朋友之间的感情嘛。网络行销和营养品不是每个人都能接受的。

3。退税
退税只是减少开销的一种方法，并且能减少你生意收入要交的税。用退税来赚钱的人没多久就不做的了，毕竟这是生意，赚不了钱的生意是维持不下去的。

作者: Hondan 时间: 2010-2-17 14:21:42

Thanks for the info, I had a read, it seemed that IRD has picked up on this multilevel direct sales thing. But nothing is implement to stop these tax return from happening, it will take a signific ...
ysun062 发表于 2010-2-17 12:56

It's implementing, just you don't know. I have two clients caught by IRD for investigation. The two guys don't take my advice which I told them you could only do one year for tax refund if you have no genuine intention to do the business.

Now they're in trouble. Not only they will return the tax refund but penalty and interest will impose as well.

作者: ysun062 时间: 2010-2-17 15:06:18

It's implementing, just you don't know. I have two clients caught by IRD for investigation. The two guys don't take my advice which I told them you could only do one year for tax refund if you hav ...
Hondan 发表于 2010-2-17 14:21

hmmmm,,, were those two guys involved with USANA business ? or some other business ?

ok, then I will take your word for it, if they are taking action to catch these tax returns, then it is very risky to enter this tax return business for multilevel direct selling business.

作者: xiaolu 时间: 2010-2-17 15:16:55

生意是用来盈利的，不是用来亏钱然后拿退税的。

作者: 无过 时间: 2010-2-17 15:19:50

前一到两年退税还是没有问题的，但是长此下去谁都会觉得有问题，我还是那句话，自己吃吃就成了，没必要当多大的事业来做，金字塔的上面就那么多地方，新西兰就那么多人，总之不要被忽悠就好了

作者: neilnz 时间: 2010-2-17 15:20:39

传销也好，直销也罢，只要产品好，对大家有益，就不要介意他的经营模式。卫生巾直销也不是没有，而且好像挺火的，至于说能治什么什么病，那是扯淡，完全是一种不负责任的说话，但它的确有它自己的独特之处。

作者: AndrewAUT 时间: 2010-2-17 15:29:50

不管是AMYWAY还是USANA，产品本身没有什么问题。
至于到底是忽悠人还是是可以做的生意这个就要仁者见仁智者见智了。
喜欢就做，不喜欢就不做就好了。

作者: 欣薇 时间: 2010-2-17 15:56:02

真不知道，为啥有那么多生意不做，非要做个传销呢？难道真的能赚钱吗？我周围就有一帮人是做这个的，老实说也没有觉得他们就挣到钱了，只是发现他们一家人都在吃，天天吃USANA。要是说健康，也没有觉得他们就多健康了，感冒发烧的常有。至于那几个吃红葡萄籽的，我也没有觉得他们的皮肤就好。所以我觉得只有买USANA的，做USANA的才会夸他的产品好，生意好。吸引下线嘛。

作者: 武夫的眉笔 时间: 2010-2-17 21:22:56

我所见到身边做传销的都失败得不得了，但是我不知道他们是因为做了才失败，还是失败了才做

作者: 蓝魔之泪 时间: 2010-2-17 23:35:22

凡事做任何事情，都有成功和失败的人。。。但为什么成功的人永远只会是少数呢？不是没有它的道理所在的。。。。其实这种失败的人，不管是做什么，永远也都是失败的。。。换了让他（她）去做任何事，他（她）都会给自己找个失败的理由和借口

作者: ysun062 时间: 2010-2-18 08:44:30

As Robert Kiyosaki saids, Network Marketing is a great business toolfor the amateurs to get into the game of business, and if you have notconsidered it, then it is your loss

My fiancee and I have s ...
阿海发表于 2010-2-17 12:55

Thanks for your reply. There is one question that I always ask USANA people, but they never give me a straight up answer.

I really hope you can answer this. Here is my question:

Let say I am a successful USANA sales, and lets assume currently I am making $1000 per week (just like your successful friends who is getting 4 figure income each week), how much dollar worth of product do I and my "下线" have to buy (or sell) to give me a commission of $1000 per week ???

I've asked this question to many USANA sales, but they never give me a direct answer, can you please give me a straight up honest answer on this.

Just tell me a figure, like "you and your "下线" have to buy (or sell) $50,000 worth of USANA product per week to earn you $1000 commission per week"

Thanks in advance

作者: 快乐的猴子 时间: 2010-2-18 10:29:06

卖一份产品, 你要利润, 你上头也要, 上头的上头也要, 不知道还有多少个上头等等等等. 就算出厂价价很便宜, 经过这么多层的利润分配, 利润要么不可能太高,要么产品不可能太便宜.

直销对厂家的好处最大, 他们免费请了大量的员工来帮他们卖东西, 99%的人是拿不到收入或者是被逼自己消费, 自有1%的人一直靠讲座,推广来保持他们的金字塔位子.

你想当那个99%的人, 就加入吧.

作者: 海陆 时间: 2010-2-18 10:38:27

哈哈哈，顶快乐的猴子

作者: ysun062 时间: 2010-2-18 17:34:19

我顶顶我顶顶

作者: iris 时间: 2010-2-18 17:45:41

楼主,其实很简单,关键你想要什麽?钱还是生活?传销就是入了也许能有钱,但也没保证,但保证能赔上你的生活
我是自认不是那块料,如果生活与工作不能分开会让我很痛苦,结交人全都带目的也会让我很难受
那些不痛苦也不难受的人,也许他们真能成功吧,可是那不是我想要的

作者: ICECOOL 时间: 2010-2-18 17:48:38

USANA的产品还不错。。

作者: LingEr 时间: 2010-8-3 11:40:29

35# iris

我也自认不是那块料，虽然很讨厌上线的紧迫盯人，可是我只想随缘，有需要我可以提供，没需要就不讲那么多。只要大家心里知道，当有需要的时候，有我这个人在就好。

作者: 阿海 时间: 2010-8-3 11:59:08

Usana is a genuine business, and their nutritional supplements are top of the market.

Unfortunately the supplements are expensive for the average Joe.

I recommend this:
1) For people who are generally healthy:
- Take Thompsons everyday multi
- Buy 蜂胶 from chinese health shops (the most expensive you can find, $65/200 days)

2) For people who have sickness, ie back pain, heart problems, anything that worth seeing the doctor for:
- Take Usana Essentials
- Take Omega/Active Calcium/Profavanol etc according to sickness

There is definitely a market for Usana products, you just gotta find it.

And if you are into selling, then network marketing is easier for you to integrate.

If you hate selling, then you need to have a big reason on (ie why you want wealth) why you want to get into it, because it is you who needs to change. If you don't have a big enough reason to do the network marketing business, don't do it.

Personally I don't like persuading people to see what I can see in business & health, so hence I prefer real estate investing, where I can control everything, and which is what I'm doing now.

作者: LingEr 时间: 2010-8-3 12:07:22

31# ysun062

hmm...good question,i nvr actually calculate dat.Let's take the most expensive product.if u wanna get $1000(actual amount based on is $1900) per week,then you should have 100 people buying the product every week. Which is nearly 38k.So u basically juz earn a 5% of the total group sales.this is calculated base on the Phase 2-Transform pack.which is about 370 per month.if calculated based on the cheapest product,Health pak 100,which is now 250 per month,nearly 26k spent by total of 100 ppl.so u get a 7% bonus.

Basically an associates is juz like a franchise.the difference is we receive bonus for what we sell but not adding money to make the product more expensive n earn more profit.

But not to forget,although this is a total group sale earned by the company,we don spent dat much,its juz a meer 10 bucks a day for ur health.and the company is not slacking as well,they are always producing better product through the R&D and besides,once u can earn dat much per week,u r probably already a director and then,there ll be extra bonus for leadership.this leadership bonus,if u like to know more,u can contact me through QQ:1242289234

Hope this helps.Maybe nearly all of the associates will scold me for this but i don really care coz to me,wad is important is honesty.

作者: 大义灭猪 时间: 2010-8-3 12:38:18

本帖最后由大义灭猪于 2010-8-3 11:43 编辑

我接触了无数传销，没见过靠这个起家的，都是有了钱以后搞，没有搞这个发财的，我mm一次去剪头发，不巧那个人就是USANA，一直不停的想给我mm洗脑。之后的几周里一直不停的打电话狂轰乱炸。害得我mm关机一个月。传销的宗旨就是只传不销。

我跟一个洋人高人谈到传销的时候，他说传销以及各种中介形式的生意都是因为那些人没有什么特殊的skill, 他说： if you don't have any actual skills, then you don't have much choice in life. If you don't have a choice, that's what you do.

作者: 阿海 时间: 2010-8-3 12:46:46

我接触了无数传销，没见过靠这个起家的，都是有了钱以后搞，没有搞这个发财的，我mm一次去剪头发，不巧那个人就是USANA，一直不停的想给我mm洗脑。之后的几周里一直不停的打电话狂轰乱炸。害得我mm关机一个月。传销 ...
大义灭猪发表于 2010-8-3 11:38

我给剪头发的那位颁发个勇气奖

但他策略有点问题。

我身边很多朋友都是工作＋part time Usana的。　有几个做的很好，都全职做Ｕｓａｎａ了。

生意是看人怎么做的。

作者: 大义灭猪 时间: 2010-8-3 13:08:34

我给剪头发的那位颁发个勇气奖

但他策略有点问题。

我身边很多朋友都是工作＋part time Usana的。　有几个做的很好，都全职做Ｕｓａｎａ了。

生意是看人怎么做的。
阿海发表于 2010-8-3 11:46

第一，大家都不难看出这个贴发出来的本意就是想打广告
第二，为什么传销的人嘴里都说“我身边很多朋友都是工作＋part time的。　有几个做的很好，都全职做了”。但是我来这里10年了，我在现实生活认识的N人做传销的都越做越龌龊。靠刷小手段赚钱不是长久之计，年轻人，要走的路还长，干点正事吧。
第三，你们的Vice President都在洋人媒体上曝光了

作者: 通天教主 时间: 2010-8-3 13:09:28

本帖最后由通天教主于 2010-8-3 12:10 编辑

传销不操蛋，但是参加传销的人，大都太操蛋。

没人愿意承认自己操蛋，于是，大家都企图用传销的不操蛋，来掩盖自己的真操蛋。

作者: 大义灭猪 时间: 2010-8-3 13:10:24

'Most people won't get their money back'
Helen Malmgren | Friday July 13, 2007 - 11:00pm

--87 per cent of commission-earning Usana distributors don’t make enough money to recover the cost of their monthly qualifying purchases from the company

--72.2 per cent of all Usana’s commissions are earned by 7.7 per cent of commission-earning distributors.

作者: 智恒 时间: 2010-8-3 13:17:06

世界上有很多种人，很多条路，没有绝对，任何公司的合法存在都有着它的道理，不能当IRD是白痴吧。

你觉得不适合你，你就不要做；你觉得你有办法可以用其它途径摆脱你日复一日的工作生活状态，并达到自己想要的财富或者是自由，你就不要做；你如果不想离开你现在的生活模式，工作一周赚的钱够自已衣食住行就满足了，没有其它更高要求的，你就不要做；你觉得你的个人能力、待人处事、领导能力都没必要提升或者是自觉完美的话，你也不用做。相反的，你就去做直销。

其实任何东西人们都有喜欢或者不喜欢的声音，正常！！你不做，你就努力的找方法达到自己的生活目标，也不需要看不起甚至讨厌那些与大部份人不同生活方式的人；你做，并不是说你没有技术，知识和商业能力就能达到一定的等级或者赚到钱，你在从事的是最不被大部份人了解并看好的行业。

反对的声浪一定比支持的声音大，这是一定的。看看历史上的名人有哪个是一直得到所有人的认同并支持而成功的，不多。你做IT业时，你的榜样就是比尔盖茨；你炒股，你就知道股神巴菲特，人们都以得到他的建议而付出大量真金百银；所以，你如果要做直销，你会问那些不成功的，半途而废的人给你建议吗？乔基拉德你认识吗？

所以，你真要做直销，就不要害怕别人的误解与拒绝，要多学习、坚持与关心身边的人。

作者: 阿海 时间: 2010-8-3 13:20:35

楼上的不知道Ｕｓａｎａ是怎么运作的吧？

要拿到最优惠的价格，就是通过每月的Ａｕｔｏｓｈｉｐ。

要得到ａｕｔｏｓｈｉｐ的资格，就是加入会员啊，加入个会员就＄２０而已，很多只吃产品的都加入的啊

加入会员只要每月消费高于１００分产品，就有资格去推销产品，得到佣金。

很多用户每个月消费都达到１００分产品，但他们就不运行生意。

所以你发的ａｒｔｉｃｌｅ是ｍｉｓｌｅａｄｉｎｇ的，因为作者根本不了解ｕｓａｎａ的运作。

８７％里面包括很多只用产品的用户的。

还有一件事你要知道。

世界上财富都给５％的人拥有。

ｕｓａｎａ里面是７。７％，那我个人认为ｕｓａｎａ致富的可以说比别的渠道都好点吧？（２。２％ｂｅｔｔｅｒ）

做生意要看人的，穷人没办法做成富人。（穷指的是脑袋穷）

作者: 大义灭猪 时间: 2010-8-3 13:25:01

经济学家的分析以及统计数据因该比你我都更权威吧

很遗憾，此帖的未达到预期的广告效应

Winners make the rules, others live by.

作者: ysun062 时间: 2010-8-3 14:23:59

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I posted this one a few month ago.

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