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作者: JR01 时间: 2009-7-27 11:03:02 标题: $300块罚单一张，郁闷

今天早上出门有点迟，所以开的比较靠近前面的车，结果给条子叫停吃了$300罚单一张。理由是变道不打灯，和前车没有保持足够距离，就这两条各$150一条。

不知道有没有什么办法可以打个8折什么的？我服法认罪的态度还是很好的。

在线等。。。

作者: jelly0817 时间: 2009-7-27 11:08:33

dont think so =.=

作者: OIC 时间: 2009-7-27 11:26:44

背面有个可以写信投诉的地址是多少 ?

作者: 跆拳道俊少 时间: 2009-7-27 11:42:39

没什么办法的啦！老实交了吧

作者: JR01 时间: 2009-7-27 11:52:58

原帖由 OIC 于 2009-7-27 10:26 发表
背面有个可以写信投诉的地址是多少 ?

New Zealand Police Infringement Bureau
PO Box 9147 Wellington 6141

作者: 烟酒不沾 时间: 2009-7-27 12:15:15

要么省事交了去要么就花时间投诉呗

作者: BeeFinance 时间: 2009-7-27 12:46:28

愿意多花时间就慢慢投诉吧

作者: policemen 时间: 2009-7-27 13:30:15

you can write letter to PIB to ask for notes made by the constable..

if the constable got good notes about your driving manner and following distant..and speed.....give up...

if dont have good detail notes..you can contest it.....following distant tie to speed...
depends on your speed...if is 50km, need 4-5car distant..but such ticket normally only issued on highway..because is very dangerous when following too close on high speed area.

作者: JR01 时间: 2009-7-27 16:41:36

原帖由 policemen 于 2009-7-27 12:30 发表
you can write letter to PIB to ask for notes made by the constable..

if the constable got good notes about your driving manner and following distant..and speed.....give up...

if dont have good d ...

thank you very much for your info. the constable said to me that I was changing lane without keeping a distance of 37-50metres according to the speed, $150 for it. also did not indicate. I said to him I did, then he said I should indicate and wait till the gap large enough (you should know that such big gap doesnt exist in the busy morning rush time), so $150 for that.

I have got my full lience since 2001. I mean I know how to drive safely, the constable was just too picky on me. So what sort of "good" reasons I could give to reduce the infringement liability? Would my good record help?

作者: 侠客无名 时间: 2009-7-27 17:22:02

应该没有办法。。。

作者: DJAY99 时间: 2009-7-27 17:41:03

跟我当初一样，没办法

作者: beansbear 时间: 2009-7-28 00:39:09

nz 的警察只有2個字可以形容“白目“.沒事幹一定要抓這些有的沒的..我也是被抓過...

作者: policemen 时间: 2009-7-28 09:04:09

原帖由 JR01 于 27/7/2009 15:41 发表

thank you very much for your info. the constable said to me that I was changing lane without keeping a distance of 37-50metres according to the speed, $150 for it. also did not indicate. I said to ...

37-50m....i believe you were on highway, 80km zone...
and yes, i know, in auckland such space doesnt just happen...there will be someone cutting in....
80% of driver broke the traffic law by doing what you did...you are just unluky that you got stopped...

like i said, write a letter to ask for the costable's note...
if he got a good note and explained everything, less chance that you will won in court...
if he got shit notes...u can goto court and contest the ticket..but if u lose, extra $30 court cost + the ticket 150...
you dont need a lawyer for this..good luck

ps. i can read chinese, just cant type it

作者: JR01 时间: 2009-7-29 00:17:03

原帖由 policemen 于 2009-7-28 08:04 发表

37-50m....i believe you were on highway, 80km zone...
and yes, i know, in auckland such space doesnt just happen...there will be someone cutting in....
80% of driver broke the traffic law by doi ...

谢谢这位朋友，你的回答非常有专业水准，而且也很公道。

我准备先讨回notes来看一下。其实心里面觉得没有什么胜算，毕竟用驾规来说我是违章了（也是我没有和警员争执的原因），现在不过想看看有没有可能结合现实情况看看有没有谅解的余地少罚一些，以后我会尽量保持行驶距离。

作者: sunmarty 时间: 2009-7-29 02:37:11

这可能没办法啦....只能认了!

作者: zhubajie 时间: 2009-7-29 12:14:03

原帖由 policemen 于 2009-7-28 08:04 发表

37-50m....i believe you were on highway, 80km zone...
and yes, i know, in auckland such space doesnt just happen...there will be someone cutting in....
80% of driver broke the traffic law by doi ...

你该不是警察的奸细吧

作者: 烟酒不沾 时间: 2009-7-29 12:16:07

NZ POLICE they can do nothing except pull over speeding

作者: JR01 时间: 2009-7-29 21:39:07

原帖由 烟酒不沾 于 2009-7-29 11:16 发表
NZ POLICE they can do nothing except pull over speeding

SHIT~~ I WASNT EVEN SPEEDING...... WRANKERS

作者: policemen 时间: 2009-7-30 00:54:18

原帖由 zhubajie 于 29/7/2009 11:14 发表

你该不是警察的奸细吧

no, i am not a spy...i am a cop...

作者: policemen 时间: 2009-7-30 00:55:17

原帖由 烟酒不沾 于 29/7/2009 11:16 发表
NZ POLICE they can do nothing except pull over speeding

yes, because more people die from crash than murder....

speed is 1st killer..
drink and drive is 2nd...
txting while driving 3rd...

作者: JR01 时间: 2009-7-30 11:30:01

原帖由 policemen 于 2009-7-29 23:55 发表

yes, because more people die from crash than murder....

speed is 1st killer..
drink and drive is 2nd...
txting while driving 3rd...

I see people driving and taking on the phone everday! Do police should do something about it ? Or just because most of these people are mid-class of the society and politicions? Frankly I only saw a white policeman shouting at a Chinese young man because he was on the phone while driving.

作者: 烟酒不沾 时间: 2009-7-30 12:18:09

原帖由 policemen 于 2009-7-29 23:55 发表

yes, because more people die from crash than murder....

speed is 1st killer..
drink and drive is 2nd...
txting while driving 3rd...

so i heard from news, police can only give 50 dollars fine for driving with phone call, bt hw my friend got sued to court of careless driving by a phone call while driving? most europeans and maori even islanders they just got warning from the same thing. is dat fair, SIR?

作者: 烟酒不沾 时间: 2009-7-30 12:22:04

原帖由 JR01 于 2009-7-30 10:30 发表

I see people driving and taking on the phone everday! Do police should do something about it ? Or just because most of these people are mid-class of the society and politicions? Frankly I only saw ...

sad...dats why i got a bluetooth while im driving...if im kiwi i dont even need to worry about this, i can argue with cops, bt im from overseas, they can and they always use one sentense to answer my questions which is "this is NEW ZEALAND law"

作者: fatality 时间: 2009-7-30 13:16:24

原帖由 烟酒不沾 于 2009-7-30 11:18 AM 发表

so i heard from news, police can only give 50 dollars fine for driving with phone call, bt hw my friend got sued to court of careless driving by a phone call while driving? most europeans and maori ...

BEAR IN MIND:

YOU DO THAT AND GET CAUGHT, THATS NOT THE POLICES FAULT, IT'S YOURS.
SOME PEOPLE DO THAT AND GET AWAY FROM IT, THAT'S NOT THE REASON OF YOU DOING THE WRONG THING.

IF SOMEONE KILLS ANOTHER AND GOT AWAY FROM IT, BECAUSE OF INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE.
WOULD YOU DO THE SAME THING, NAMELY, KILL SOMEONE AND STAND UP AT COURT AND SAY, BECAUSE HE GOT AWAY, SO I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT I HAVE DONE?

MAKE MY WORDS
PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG WILL SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCE, ITS JUST A MATTER OF TIME.

作者: fatality 时间: 2009-7-30 13:18:17

原帖由 烟酒不沾 于 2009-7-29 11:16 AM 发表
NZ POLICE they can do nothing except pull over speeding

WHEN THE COPS DIE OUT THERE, WOULD YOU REAPEAT THE SAME THING TO THE MEDIA?

[ 本帖最后由 fatality 于 2009-7-30 17:06 编辑 ]

作者: RhapsodyOfFire 时间: 2009-7-30 14:01:28

大家都不容易，警察也有好有坏，因为新西兰相对来讲比较安全，所以警察大部分时间用来管交通。

作者: JR01 时间: 2009-7-30 15:06:59

原帖由 fatality 于 2009-7-30 12:16 发表
BEAR IN MIND:

YOU DO THAT AND GET CAUGHT, THATS NOT THE POLICES FAULT, IT'S YOURS.
SOME PEOPLE DO THAT AND GET AWAY FROM IT, THAT'S NOT THE REASON OF YOU DOING THE WRONG THING.
...

ITS NOT ABOUT "INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE", IT IS ABOUT NOT PAYING "SUFFICIENT ATTENTION"
应该说是视而不见吧

PS. $300块我交了。那警察不是问我哪里学的开车吗 -- NEW ZEALAND!!! 操xxx种族歧视（那个鸟人一口伦敦腔，臭屁的要死）

作者: 烟酒不沾 时间: 2009-7-30 18:13:33

原帖由 fatality 于 2009-7-30 12:16 发表

BEAR IN MIND:

YOU DO THAT AND GET CAUGHT, THATS NOT THE POLICES FAULT, IT'S YOURS.
SOME PEOPLE DO THAT AND GET AWAY FROM IT, THAT'S NOT THE REASON OF YOU DOING THE WRONG THING.

...

thx mate, im not talking abwt being away from the response, im talking abwt FAIR, as same situation on a kiwi and an Asian young guy, the 60 percent chance we got more unfair result. think abwt dat and read my post carefully.
r u a senior chager of cops and doing the spy job around us?

作者: tudis 时间: 2009-8-1 09:59:49

fffffffffddddddddddddd

作者: policemen 时间: 2009-8-1 10:34:31

這個問題可能很多人都遇到, 所以我解釋清楚一點

JR01:
I see people driving and taking on the phone everday! Do police should do something about it ? Or just because most of these people are mid-class of the society and politicions? Frankly I only saw a white policeman shouting at a Chinese young man because he was on the phone while driving.
回:目前沒有法律禁止邊開車班打手機, 致於你說的情形我只能說一顆老鼠屎壞了一鍋粥
以車禍統計來看, 洋人華人車禍的數量差不多, 但是華人比較顯眼所以普遍印象是華人比較不會開車
以我每天處理的流量來看, 洋人超速多, 華人無照駕駛多
(這邊補充一下, 以人口數來說華人車禍率是比較高的, 在奧克蘭華人大概佔20%但是車禍率大概是35-40%)

菸酒不沾:
so i heard from news, police can only give 50 dollars fine for driving with phone call, bt hw my friend got sued to court of careless driving by a phone call while driving? most europeans and maori even islanders they just got warning from the same thing. is dat fair, SIR?
回:這條法律根本還沒通過, 不知道是哪個媒體播報的? 目前警察沒權因你邊開車邊用電話給你罰單
還有你朋友是不是出車禍, 如果好好開車被告Careless我去替你查, 不可能無緣無故就告你朋友.
careless driving是如果你造成車禍基本上就一定會有的罪名, 原因很簡單打電話沒專心或其他理由不小心開車所以不小心造成車禍, 這樣被告有甚麼不對嗎?

菸酒不沾:
sad...dats why i got a bluetooth while im driving...if im kiwi i dont even need to worry about this, i can argue with cops, bt im from overseas, they can and they always use one sentense to answer my questions which is "this is NEW ZEALAND law"
回:客觀點不要看甚麼就附和, 以我開罰單的量來說洋人佔八成, 洋人很少有爭議的或是覺得我不公平的, 反過來講為什麼華人就覺得洋人警察都歧視你呢?

JR01:
ITS NOT ABOUT "INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE", IT IS ABOUT NOT PAYING "SUFFICIENT ATTENTION"应该说是视而不见吧
PS. $300块我交了。那警察不是问我哪里学的开车吗 -- NEW ZEALAND!!! 操xxx种族歧视（那个鸟人一口伦敦腔，臭屁的要死）
回: 你應該說在英國學的因為他是英國人, 不是視而不見是看到也不能幹甚麼, 因為根本開車禁止打手機這條法律就還沒通過

菸酒不沾
thx mate, im not talking abwt being away from the response, im talking abwt FAIR, as same situation on a kiwi and an Asian young guy, the 60 percent chance we got more unfair result. think abwt dat and read my post carefully.
r u a senior chager of cops and doing the spy job around us?
回: 就像我之前說的, 華人覺得洋人警察不公平但是真的事不公平嗎?你看到警察攔洋人車開罰單你會記得嗎?還是只記得又一個華人被歧視所以被攔車開罰單?? 客觀點 60%unfair result?? 怎麼來的? 我常遇到攔下華人, 司機就覺得因為我也是華人就不應該開他罰單就算他有錯.......都是公平的....

不想筆戰, 還有問題回信箱

ps. 紐西蘭還沒有華人高層.也不會做這種事

[ 本帖最后由 policemen 于 2009-8-1 10:30 编辑 ]

作者: fatality 时间: 2009-8-1 11:20:20

是，很诚恳，说得有道理。

作者: policemen 时间: 2009-8-1 11:27:25

給你一個真實例子
昨晚我攔一台車超速66km...限速50km..華人車主, 想爭辯要求證據
解釋了測速機如何作用後, 希望我給個警告, 我說不行開了一張65km的罰單80
生氣的走了, 看到這可能有人覺得我是走狗自己人都不放過, 不過請想想為甚麼要給警告?

還有一個攔了一台跑車因為大燈色溫太高看起來是藍色的
剛攔下來副座的女的就說不公平為什麼只攔她們不攔其他車
我說我們人少只能隨機抽查剛好你的很明顯就是有問題
不過後來沒開單讓走了, 因為不是那麼的藍可能是6000k而以
都是華人給我感覺都是覺得因為我是華人所以我就應該放你門走
如果是我洋人同事攔下來, 就又變成一個不公平的例子了, 因為你們認為有不公平可是實際上有嗎?
有人可能會說是洋人肯定就開單了....我只能說主觀意是作祟

51-61 可以給警告
61-65 NZD80
66-70 NZD120
71-75 170
76-80 220
81-85 300
下次有朋友超速被抓, 看看這個就知道抓你的警察有沒有給你少點罰金了
eg 66km become 65km = 120 become 80.
請不要覺得沒開少點就是不公平呀....因為你畢竟超速了呀

我受過訓上過課, 我知道時速35km就能撞死人, 你不一定知道. 我知道時速80km車禍的死亡率是95%...你不一定知道. 簡單講我們知道的東西不一樣, 所以看法不同.

對那些不遵守法規的人, 請三思而後行, 因為你讓所以華人都被貼上常超速, 常無照駕駛, 常不守路規的標籤....

有事要問或討論請回信, 沒興趣筆戰. 我只是義務性的幫忙

[ 本帖最后由 policemen 于 2009-8-1 10:40 编辑 ]

作者: policemen 时间: 2009-8-1 11:33:45

原帖由 fatality 于 1/8/2009 10:20 发表
是，很诚恳，说得有道理。

fatality多謝聲援但是別回帖了, 免的吵起來
我只是來宣導宣導正確觀念而以

作者: kobeqiu 时间: 2009-8-1 20:15:53

去年我在一号高速上超速，开了160，被警察拦下了，但他没有罚我，我说了我超速的原因，我说我早上5点上班，睡过头快迟到了所以开快车，不知道他有没有做记录。但从那次以后我再也不超速了，不是怕被警察抓，命是自己的，不考虑到自己也要想想身边关心你的人。By the way,那个警察是洋人，要是他真想罚我的话加上宗族歧视我不被遣送回国那就见鬼了，在国内一旦违犯交通规则打个电话找找阿猫阿狗就没事了，这公平吗？在这边快2年了，一些东西跟国内比较起来真的觉得很多都不如人家。我一直住在洋人家里，相处得很好，就像家里人一样，我也很努力在他们面前多多发扬中国人的优点，祖国的统一大业我是有心无力，但不丢国人的脸我是可以做到的。我听当地人说这边的警察为了这边的治安做出了很多很多的努力，自己也亲身经历过，事物都分好坏，人也如此，不能用局部看整体，错了就改，则其善者而从之，其不善者而该之嘛！最后很高兴遇到楼上很正义的华人警察，这才是华人的骄傲！希望你注意安全，为华人争光~~~

作者: flowernec 时间: 2009-8-1 20:24:21

曾经交过500多的罚单，如果错了就交了，

作者: vickiliu1974 时间: 2009-8-1 22:40:46

觉的POLICEMEN还是对的.命是自己的.开车要小心.我开61就被罚过,因为我的确错了.虽然我大多情况下都开过了60,但不代表是对的.

至于公不公平,那就是要看自己的心态.如果是自己真的错了,检讨自己先.
就不要说洋人犯了同样的错没罚.因为这种故事大多是听来的. 你自己真的有看见吗. 我的洋人同事各个都有罚单,他们也叫POLICE是PIG.

作者: 一只熊 时间: 2009-8-1 23:01:33

原帖由 policemen 于 2009-7-29 23:55 发表

yes, because more people die from crash than murder....

speed is 1st killer..
drink and drive is 2nd...
txting while driving 3rd...

Speeding 1st
DUI 2nd - influence includes alcohol, drug and being given BJ lolllllll

作者: zippo 时间: 2009-8-1 23:31:32

为了俩包子超速120 L没贴400

作者: 无懈可击 时间: 2009-8-9 22:53:42

有问题当面解决条子开了就没啥办法了

作者: 滴滴嗒嗒 时间: 2009-8-10 10:13:12

原帖由 kobeqiu 于 2009-8-1 19:15 发表
去年我在一号高速上超速，开了160，被警察拦下了，但他没有罚我，我说了我超速的原因，我说我早上5点上班，睡过头快迟到了所以开快车，不知道他有没有做记录。但从那次以后我再也不超速了，不是怕被警察抓，命是自己 ...

这才是明白人

作者: 兲使Dè邪淰 时间: 2009-8-10 10:56:14

原帖由 policemen 于 2009-8-1 10:27 发表
給你一個真實例子
昨晚我攔一台車超速66km...限速50km..華人車主, 想爭辯要求證據
解釋了測速機如何作用後, 希望我給個警告, 我說不行開了一張65km的罰單80
生氣的走了, 看到這可能有人覺得我是走狗自己人都不放過 ...

好像限速50的路..有90%以上都开60以下包括60..
高速上限速100.有90%以上都会开到110左右.

这样会得到罚单么???想了解下.

作者: fatality 时间: 2009-8-10 20:45:29

原帖由 policemen 于 2009-8-1 10:33 AM 发表

fatality多謝聲援但是別回帖了, 免的吵起來
我只是來宣導宣導正確觀念而以

不会的不会的。

我有分寸。

你已经说得很好了，我就不补充了，呵呵…………

作者: policemen 时间: 2009-8-10 20:56:01

原帖由 兲使Dè邪淰 于 10/8/2009 09:56 发表

好像限速50的路..有90%以上都开60以下包括60..
高速上限速100.有90%以上都会开到110左右.

这样会得到罚单么???想了解下.

unspoken rule is 10km tolerance...because we aint machine..we cant drive at 50km always..
thats where the 10km tolerance come from...

so in most case, speed limit +10km is the limit...and +11km u will get a ticket...
but this doesnt mean you can do 59 or 60 always and not get a ticket...
circumstance apply, if you maintain 59-60 for long period of time, you may still get a ticket..
beacuse speed limit is 50km...not 60km

for school area in pick up and drop off time, is 4km tolerance...
if is 50km school zone, 55km u will get a ticket...if is 40km school zone, 45km u will get a ticket..

作者: 兲使Dè邪淰 时间: 2009-8-10 23:16:35

原帖由 policemen 于 2009-8-10 19:56 发表

unspoken rule is 10km tolerance...because we aint machine..we cant drive at 50km always..
thats where the 10km tolerance come from...

so in most case, speed limit +10km is the limit...and +11k ...

感谢。。明白了。。。

作者: mengloveli 时间: 2009-8-11 00:22:09

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作者: fox55 时间: 2009-8-11 11:33:11

学习了，谢谢policeman同志

作者: JR01 时间: 2009-8-11 12:35:31

前两天杭州斑马线上又出人命了，问一下警察同志，如果在nz斑马线上酒后撞死人是个什么罪名，要判几年？（没死刑的对吧）

作者: 中华绿豆沙 时间: 2009-8-11 15:13:24

爷我开41KM还被罚了80，前面那车开的比我快也没被拦，拿完罚单走了以后条子拦了一车又是个亚洲人。

作者: jelly0817 时间: 2009-8-11 17:40:21

我也想問...如果在紅綠燈
行人闖紅燈被撞到是行人的錯嗎?

作者: policemen 时间: 2009-8-11 19:19:08

原帖由 jelly0817 于 11/8/2009 16:40 发表
我也想問...如果在紅綠燈
行人闖紅燈被撞到是行人的錯嗎?

這個要看情況, 如果你有足夠的距離跟時間去閃躲或停下
但是你卻沒有這麼做那只要有證人證明這一點車主一定是錯的

但是如果有證人可以證明是行人忽然跑出來剎車不及撞上那錯是行人的

很多時候是車主看到黃燈加速要過去卻慢一秒行人又剛好跑出來這個就是dangerous driving了...

大家可以注意一下紅綠燈的時間綠燈變黃燈後最少要兩秒才會變紅燈(有些很忙的十字路口是3秒, 有些時段時間會變1秒)
然後再過一秒其他車道或是行人的燈才會變綠燈

最近在抓闖黃燈還有紅燈的...

作者: jelly0817 时间: 2009-8-11 21:12:58

原帖由 policemen 于 2009-8-11 18:19 发表

這個要看情況, 如果你有足夠的距離跟時間去閃躲或停下
但是你卻沒有這麼做那只要有證人證明這一點車主一定是錯的

但是如果有證人可以證明是行人忽然跑出來剎車不及撞上那錯是行人的

很多時候是車主看到 ...

恩恩
了解
感謝解答!!
很怕路人瘋了衝出來

在某些國家很多人都是想衝出來給車撞騙錢賺錢

作者: onyourmark 时间: 2009-8-11 22:26:04

thx 4 sharing....never heard abt it b4..

作者: kefei 时间: 2009-8-12 01:53:40

作者: fatality 时间: 2009-8-12 13:06:00

原帖由 一只熊 于 2009-8-1 10:01 PM 发表

Speeding 1st
DUI 2nd - influence includes alcohol, drug and being given BJ lolllllll

you are bloody dirty...................

作者: JR01 时间: 2009-8-12 15:12:05

原帖由 jelly0817 于 2009-8-11 20:12 发表

恩恩
了解
感謝解答!!
很怕路人瘋了衝出來

在某些國家很多人都是想衝出來給車撞騙錢賺錢

不要命啦。。。

作者: 落花浮云 时间: 2009-8-12 19:55:04

警察基本上是想干嘛就干嘛。。。。。单子都开了估计回不去的。

作者: vickiliu1974 时间: 2009-8-12 22:09:30

警察基本上是想干嘛就干嘛。。。。。单子都开了估计回不去的。
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话不能这样说,我就有两次罚单免了的情况. 关键看你怎么去写那个申诉书.你有理的话(不是那种蛮理),而是实实在在的理由.,的确是POLICE搞错了

作者: 中华绿豆沙 时间: 2009-8-12 22:30:47

原帖由 jelly0817 于 2009-8-11 20:12 发表

恩恩
了解
感謝解答!!
很怕路人瘋了衝出來

在某些國家很多人都是想衝出來給車撞騙錢賺錢

碰瓷啊,哈哈

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